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Where are the documented cases of the trashing o returning troops from the 'nam?Thank you for your service.
Not all, certainly not a great minorty, but unfortunately a signficant number of Vietnam viets' homecoming were trashed. That you don't like it means nothing. The events happened, get over it.
Once again, thank you for your service.
-The Spitting Image - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThe Spitting Image: Myth, Memory and the Legacy of Vietnam is a 1998 book by sociologist Jerry Lembcke. The book argues that the common claim that American soldiers were spat upon and insulted by anti-war protesters upon returning home from the Vietnam War is an urban legend intended to discredit the anti-war movement. Lembcke's book argues, further, that posttraumatic stress disorder, or PTSD, is a socially-constructed diagnostic category that disparages the image of Vietnam veterans and provided another way to discredit the many veterans in the anti-war movement. Lembcke writes that this discrediting of the anti-war movement was foreshadowed by Hermann Goring's fostering of the stab in the back myth, after Germany's defeat in Europe in 1918.[1]
Wikipedia is not considered a reliabe source. The Spitting Image is written by a pro-commie freak who has been debunked by Robert Turner. All of that has been posted in another thread. In this forum plenty of evidence has been provided that the spitting occurred and that occurred a lot more than what we would like to think.
Whether you deny it, whether you think black is white, whatever you think on the merits of this is clear -- you have no idea what you are talking about or you are deliberately falsifying on this subject. Your opinion has no relevance.
If you don't like Vietnam vets, that's your right, and I don't think six people in the universe care what you think on the subject.
)-www.guardian.co.ukUnwillingness to entertain the notion that Wikipedia might fly is a symptom of what the legal scholar James Boyle calls "cultural agoraphobia" - our prevailing fear of openness. Like all phobias it's irrational, so is immune to evidence. I'm tired of listening to brain-dead dinner-party complaints about how "inaccurate" Wikipedia is. I'm bored to death by endless accounts of slurs or libels suffered by a few famous individuals at the hands of Wikipedia vandals. And if anyone ever claims again that all the entries in Wikipedia are written by clueless amateurs, I will hit them over the head with a list of experts who curate material in their specialisms. And remind them of Professor Peter Murray-Rust's comment to a conference in Oxford: "The bit of Wikipedia that I wrote is correct."
Of course Wikipedia has flaws, of course it has errors: show me something that doesn't. Of course it suffers from vandalism and nutters who contribute stuff to it. But instead of complaining about errors, academics ought to be in there fixing them. Wikipedia is one of the greatest inventions we have. Isn't it time we accepted it? Microsoft has.
Where are the documented cases of the trashing o returning troops from the 'nam?Thank you for your service.
Not all, certainly not a great minorty, but unfortunately a signficant number of Vietnam viets' homecoming were trashed. That you don't like it means nothing. The events happened, get over it.
Once again, thank you for your service.
-The Spitting Image - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThe Spitting Image: Myth, Memory and the Legacy of Vietnam is a 1998 book by sociologist Jerry Lembcke. The book argues that the common claim that American soldiers were spat upon and insulted by anti-war protesters upon returning home from the Vietnam War is an urban legend intended to discredit the anti-war movement. Lembcke's book argues, further, that posttraumatic stress disorder, or PTSD, is a socially-constructed diagnostic category that disparages the image of Vietnam veterans and provided another way to discredit the many veterans in the anti-war movement. Lembcke writes that this discrediting of the anti-war movement was foreshadowed by Hermann Goring's fostering of the stab in the back myth, after Germany's defeat in Europe in 1918.[1]
Slate wrote an article about the same thing. A portion of that article - this is NOT spam.
Spitfire
Vietnam veterans were gobbed on, insist angry readers and critical bloggers.
By Jack Shafer
Posted Monday, Feb. 5, 2007, at 6:32 PM ET
The idea that Vietnam veterans returning from the war were spat upon by protesters is fixed in many minds, notably the score of readers who e-mailed me to dispute my Jan. 30 column that declared the story an "urban myth." They know vets got spat on because it happened to them, they wrote.
Also taking exception to my piece were Dan Riehl at the NewsBusters blog, Jim Lindgren at the Volokh Conspiracy, and others. My piece took the standfollowing Jerry Lembcke's 1998 book, Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the Legacy of Vietnamthat the spit stories began to proliferate in 1980 or thereabouts. (For a thumbnail of Lembcke's argument, see this paper.) But both Riehl and Lindgren helpfully point to several mentions of spat-on vets published or broadcast during the Vietnam era.
Indeed, the spit meme was in circulation well before that. Former Defense Department official Alfred B. Fitt wrote a Sept. 15, 1971, Washington Post opinion piece about the divisiveness of the war in which he concluded, "You can't be fond of being spat upon, either literally or figuratively, just because of the uniform you're wearing." In a Nov. 30, 1971, New York Times op-ed, Army magazine Editor in Chief L. James Binder wrote, "The uniform of [Army] soldiers is spat upon in the streets and its wearers are denounced in public places as 'war criminal.' " A June 9, 1971, op-ed (whose provenance I cannot vouch for) states that veteran Jim Minarik claims to have been "twice spat upon" as well as "denied restaurant service" because of his uniform. (The op-ed is posted in the comment section of this Web site.)
(to survive my stepmom and I go round and round).
Devnell is a marginalized, impotent individual who attacks veterans.
JenT's postings clearly reveal how disturbed is Devnell.
This will be my final response on this thread. However, I am so proud that in my service to my country I was able to protect the free speech of all Americans including Dev.
nobody cares for us grenada era veterans either
Devnell is a marginalized, impotent individual who attacks veterans.
JenT's postings clearly reveal how disturbed is Devnell.
This will be my final response on this thread. However, I am so proud that in my service to my country I was able to protect the free speech of all Americans including Dev.
veterans get no special pass. they get thanx for service paid for with tax dollars. they get thanx, but many a veteran is not a good citizen...Tim McVeigh, Lee Harvey Oswald, et al...
nobody cares for us grenada era veterans either
Are you serious?
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Nobody trashed the homecomings of most if not all of you. There is no need to apologize. Most V-Era vets never saw combat or anything close to it. Sure the war was unpopular. Doesn't mean you weren't supported by many of us back home. Stop insulting us with the pity pot act and move on.
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I enlisted in 1973/74
(the process went from december to february)
Nobody trashed the homecomings of most if not all of you. There is no need to apologize. Most V-Era vets never saw combat or anything close to it. Sure the war was unpopular. Doesn't mean you weren't supported by many of us back home. Stop insulting us with the pity pot act and move on.
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btw...
I enlisted in 1973/74
(the process went from december to february)
Fuck off, huh? You want some ... come get some ... but if you haven't been under fire and/or had to fire back, STFU.
DevNell go Fu*k yourself !!!!Nobody trashed the homecomings of most if not all of you. There is no need to apologize. Most V-Era vets never saw combat or anything close to it. Sure the war was unpopular. Doesn't mean you weren't supported by many of us back home. Stop insulting us with the pity pot act and move on
DOne that been there. I'm just sick of seeing people in the streets who keep saying "I'm a 'Nam vet" and expecting like we all owe them something. Especially when they are getting veteran's services.
Douglas McAuthur had troops fire on the bonus marchers.
no one spit on me but i was called a lot of names. including obscene. "its your war man not mine". I remember when i came home seemed everyone back here was in an ugly mood. I still get slammed by liberals because of my screen name. it represents the dead. not me.
no one spit on me but i was called a lot of names. including obscene. "its your war man not mine". I remember when i came home seemed everyone back here was in an ugly mood. I still get slammed by liberals because of my screen name. it represents the dead. not me.
what liberals slammed your screen name? i am liberal and i think your screen name is a very honorable one.
