Vice Presidential Debate: Lyin' Ryan Told 24 Myths In 40 Minutes

[Lakhota]

By Igor Volsky

Paul Ryan spoke for 40 of the 90 minutes during Thursday night’s vice presidential debate and managed to tell at least 24 myths during that time:

1) “It took the president two weeks to acknowledge that [the Libya attack] was a terrorist attack.”

2) “The administration was blocking us every step of the way. Only because we had strong bipartisan support for these tough [Iran] sanctions were we able to overrule their objections and put them in spite of the administration.”

3) “Medicare and Social Security are going bankrupt. These are indisputable facts.”

4) “The vice president was in charge of overseeing this. $90 billion in green pork to campaign contributors and special interest groups.”

5) “Was it a good idea to spend taxpayer dollars on electric cars in Finland, or on windmills in China?”

6) “When they see us putting – when they see us putting daylight between ourselves and our allies in Israel, that gives them encouragement.”

7) “You see, if you reform these programs for my generation, people 54 and below, you can guarantee they don’t change for people in or near retirement.”

8) “Obamacare takes $716 billion from Medicare to spend on Obamacare.”

9) “And then they put this new Obamacare board in charge of cutting Medicare each and every year in ways that will lead to denied care for current seniors.”

10) “7.4 million seniors are projected to lose their current Medicare Advantage coverage they have. That’s a $3,200 benefit cut.”

11) “This [Medicare premium support] plan that’s bipartisan. It’s a plan I put together with a prominent Democrat senator from Oregon.”

12) “Eight out of 10 businesses, they file their taxes as individuals, not as corporations.”

13) “[Unemployment is rising] all around America.”

14) “The average tax rate on businesses in the industrialized world is 25 percent, and the president wants the top effective tax rate on successful small businesses to go above 40 percent.”

15) “He’ll keep saying this $5 trillion plan, I suppose. It’s been discredited by six other studies.”

16) “You can – you can cut tax rates by 20 percent and still preserve these important preferences for middle-class taxpayer. It is mathematically possible. It’s been done before. It’s precisely what we’re proposing.”

17) “So they proposed a $478 billion cut to defense to begin with. Now we have another $500 billion cut to defense that’s lurking on the horizon. They insisted upon that cut being involved in the debt negotiations, and so we have a $1 trillion cut.”

18) “If these cuts go through, our Navy will be the smallest – the smallest it has been since before World War I.”

19) “Look at what they’re doing through Obamacare with respect to assaulting the religious liberties of this country. They’re infringing upon our first freedom, the freedom of religion, by infringing on Catholic charities, Catholic churches, Catholic hospitals.”

20) “If you like your health care plan, you can keep it. Try telling that to the 20 million people who are projected to lose their health insurance if Obamacare goes through or the 7-point million – 7.4 million seniors who are going to lose it.”

21) “We should not have called Bashar Assad a reformer when he was turning his Russian-provided guns on his own people.”

22) “When Barack Obama was elected, they had enough fissile material — nuclear material to make one bomb. Now they have enough for five.”

23) “[Iran is] racing toward a nuclear weapon.”

24) “We don’t want to do is give our allies reason to trust us less [by announcing a withdrawal timeline for Afghanistan].”

DETAILS: At The Vice Presidential Debate: Ryan Told 24 Myths In 40 Minutes | ThinkProgress

 

[Lakhota]

Which type of liar is Lyin' Ryan?

What is the Difference Between a Sociopath, a Compulsive, a Pathological, a Chronic, and a Habitual Liar?

 

[CaféAuLait]

Of course you are concerned if both candidates lied, right?


Allow me help you:

Fact Check: Top Ten Worst Lies by Joe Biden in VP Debate


Top Ten Worst Lies by Joe Biden in VP Debate | Conservative Byte

Joe Biden falsely claimed he voted against Afghanistan, Iraq wars during debate

Joe Biden falsely claimed he voted against Afghanistan, Iraq wars during debate - National Elections | Examiner.com

VP Debate: Biden Contradicts State Department on Benghazi

VP Debate: Biden Contradicts State Department... | Gather

Biden’s Lie About Religious Freedom

Biden

There are plenty more, but you're welcome.

 

[Wehrwolfen]

by Joel B. Pollak
12 Oct 2012

Once again, Joe Biden lied his way through a Vice Presidential debate--just as he did in his contest with Sarah Palin in 2008. This time, the media caught a few of Biden's worst "malarkey" moments--as did his opponent, Paul Ryan, when he could get a word in edgewise.

Here are the top ten worst lies told by Biden during the debate:

Update - Honorable Mention: "There's not one Democrat who endorsed his...plan." Biden lied--as Ryan pointed out, amidst the Vice President's interruptions--about the fact that Ryan had worked with both Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon and former Clinton budget director Alice Rivlin in developing his entitlement reforms. While it's true that neither have endorsed the Romney-Ryan ticket's separate plan--which is different--Ryan's own plans, to which Biden referred, were endorsed by Democrats, and Biden knows it.

10. "With all due respect, that’s a bunch of malarkey....not a single thing he said is accurate." At the outset of the debate, Biden tried to paint Ryan as a liar--when Biden, in fact, was the one lying. Ryan had pointed out: 1) that the White House had distanced itself from the Cairo embassy's apologies on 9/11; 2) that Obama had failed to speak up for Iranian protestors in 2009; 3) that the Obama administration called Syria's dictator a "reformer"; 4) and that the Obama administration is imposing defense cuts and projecting weakness. All of that is true.

9. "The president has met with Bibi [Netanyahu] a dozen times....This is a bunch of stuff." While they have met several times--not a dozen--that includes a meeting at which Obama made the Israeli prime minister enter the White House through a back entrance, refused to take a picture with him, and left him on his own for dinner. Specifically, Ryan had criticized Obama's refusal to meet Netanyahu in New York last month, and to tape talk show interviews instead--a clear snub that sent the wrong signal, again, to Israel's enemies.

8. "Just let the taxes expire like they’re supposed to on those millionaires." Biden's "millionaires" are actually households earning more than $250,000 a year, which includes many middle-class families with two earners, and small business owners in particular who report business earnings as personal income. Biden and Obama have repeatedly labeled those earning over $250,000 as "millionaires and billionaires," distorting the actual impact of their tax plan on the non-millionaires it would hit hardest, who create a vast proportion of small business jobs.

7. "You know, I heard that death panel argument from Sarah Palin. It seems that every vice presidential debate, I hear this kind of stuff about panels." Biden's cheap shot against Palin was an attempt to diminish both her and the man sitting across from him. But Palin never talked about "death panels" in her debate with Biden, for the simple reason that Obamacare had not yet been proposed. Nor did Ryan mention "death panels"--he had addressed the undeniable fact that Obamacare proposes a board to impose cost controls.

6. "The congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300 million below what we asked for." Biden's lie about Ryan's budget was an attempt to dodge responsibility for lax embassy security--and to cover up that the Obama administration called for new cuts to embassy security just days after the 9/11 attacks. Ryan's proposal, which called for a 19% overall decrease in non-defense discretionary spending, does not even mention embassy security--the Obama campaign merely made up that number by applying 19% across the board.

5. "No, they are not four years closer to a nuclear weapon." Biden's attempt to lie about the glaring reality of the Iranian nuclear program fell flat. Iran is indeed four years closer to a nuclear weapon, and the Obama administration--believing it knew better than its predecessors--tried to reinvent the wheel on talks with Iran, causing frustration to our allies in Europe and the Middle East. Meeting after meeting this year has failed to produce results, and the loophole-filled sanctions, while hurting Iran somewhat, are not stopping its nuclear program.

4. "No religious institution, Catholic or otherwise...has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide. That is a fact." No, it is not a fact--it is the opposite of a fact, and saying "that is a fact" does not make it any less a blatant lie. The Obama administration is forcing religious institutions to provide contraceptive and abortion drugs through their insurance policies. That is the reason several dozen religious institutions are suing the administration to defend their First Amendment freedom of religion.

3. "It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card...I was there. I voted against him." Biden voted for both the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war. He did not vote for George W. Bush's plan to extend coverage of Medicare to prescription drugs (though he voted for an earlier, similar proposal), nor did he vote for the Bush tax cuts. But he voted for both of the wars he derided last night. To quote Bill Clinton's speech to the Democratic National Convention: "It takes some brass to attack a guy for doing what you did."

2. "What we did is we saved $716 billion and put it back -- applied it to Medicare." Biden repeated the lie the Obama administration has been telling since before Obamacare passed in 2010: that cuts to Medicare today were savings that extend the life of the program. They would be--if the same $716 billion wasn't also being used to pay for Obamacare. As Ryan pointed out in 2010, and again last night, you can't double-count the same cuts. Taking $716 billion out of Medicare means exactly that--and hurts, not helps, the program's solvency.

1. "Well, we weren’t told they wanted more security again." Biden lied through his teeth about the fact that the administration--specifically, the State Department--had been told again and again that security on the ground in Libya, and in Benghazi in particular, was inadequate. The day before, in Congressional hearings on the Libya attacks, former regional security director Eric Nordstrom described his frustration with having those requests turned down by the government bureaucracy: "For me the Taliban is on the inside of the building."

 

[Lakhota]

It’s no contest—Biden nailed it. But Obama still needs to seal the deal. Robert Shrum on the three things that will determine the outcome of the presidential race—and why they all point toward a Democratic victory.

More: Biden’s Win Was a Big F@$&ing Deal

 

[Oddball]

 

[Lakhota]

Media outlets largely focused on criticizing Vice President Joe Biden's demeanor during the October 11 vice presidential debate, ignoring the substantive arguments being addressed in the discussion. Meanwhile, fact-checkers were busy pointing out the inaccuracies in Congressman Paul Ryan's claims.

How The Media Used Biden's Smile To Deflect From Ryan's Dishonesty | Research | Media Matters for America

 

[Lakhota]

10 Best Biden Put-Downs of Paul Ryan in Veep Debate | Alternet

Romney and Ryan Have Resorted to Casual Lazy Lying as a Form of Debating | Alternet

Biden v. Ryan: The Old Pro Takes On the Lying Kid | Alternet

Why Are Americans So Easy to Manipulate and Control? | Alternet

 

[emptystep]

Joel Barry Pollak (born April 25, 1977) is an American politician and author. As of 2012, he is the editor-in-chief and in-house counsel for Breitbart.com.[2] In 2010 he was the Republican nominee for U.S. Congress from Illinois's 9th congressional district,[3] losing to Democrat Jan Schakowsky with only 31.1% of the votes in his favor.

Pollak was endorsed by the Chicago Tea Party and refers to himself as a Tea Party Republican.

Joel Pollak - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Which type of liar is Lyin' Ryan?

What is the Difference Between a Sociopath, a Compulsive, a Pathological, a Chronic, and a Habitual Liar?

I doubt as much of an incredulous liar as you are because that would be quite a feat.

 

[Oddball]

Why Are Americans So Easy to Manipulate and Control? | Alternet

Irony, thy name is Lakhota.

 

[skookerasbil]

By Igor Volsky

Paul Ryan spoke for 40 of the 90 minutes during Thursday night’s vice presidential debate and managed to tell at least 24 myths during that time:

1) “It took the president two weeks to acknowledge that [the Libya attack] was a terrorist attack.”

2) “The administration was blocking us every step of the way. Only because we had strong bipartisan support for these tough [Iran] sanctions were we able to overrule their objections and put them in spite of the administration.”

3) “Medicare and Social Security are going bankrupt. These are indisputable facts.”

4) “The vice president was in charge of overseeing this. $90 billion in green pork to campaign contributors and special interest groups.”

5) “Was it a good idea to spend taxpayer dollars on electric cars in Finland, or on windmills in China?”

6) “When they see us putting – when they see us putting daylight between ourselves and our allies in Israel, that gives them encouragement.”

7) “You see, if you reform these programs for my generation, people 54 and below, you can guarantee they don’t change for people in or near retirement.”

8) “Obamacare takes $716 billion from Medicare to spend on Obamacare.”

9) “And then they put this new Obamacare board in charge of cutting Medicare each and every year in ways that will lead to denied care for current seniors.”

10) “7.4 million seniors are projected to lose their current Medicare Advantage coverage they have. That’s a $3,200 benefit cut.”

11) “This [Medicare premium support] plan that’s bipartisan. It’s a plan I put together with a prominent Democrat senator from Oregon.”

12) “Eight out of 10 businesses, they file their taxes as individuals, not as corporations.”

13) “[Unemployment is rising] all around America.”

14) “The average tax rate on businesses in the industrialized world is 25 percent, and the president wants the top effective tax rate on successful small businesses to go above 40 percent.”

15) “He’ll keep saying this $5 trillion plan, I suppose. It’s been discredited by six other studies.”

16) “You can – you can cut tax rates by 20 percent and still preserve these important preferences for middle-class taxpayer. It is mathematically possible. It’s been done before. It’s precisely what we’re proposing.”

17) “So they proposed a $478 billion cut to defense to begin with. Now we have another $500 billion cut to defense that’s lurking on the horizon. They insisted upon that cut being involved in the debt negotiations, and so we have a $1 trillion cut.”

18) “If these cuts go through, our Navy will be the smallest – the smallest it has been since before World War I.”

19) “Look at what they’re doing through Obamacare with respect to assaulting the religious liberties of this country. They’re infringing upon our first freedom, the freedom of religion, by infringing on Catholic charities, Catholic churches, Catholic hospitals.”

20) “If you like your health care plan, you can keep it. Try telling that to the 20 million people who are projected to lose their health insurance if Obamacare goes through or the 7-point million – 7.4 million seniors who are going to lose it.”

21) “We should not have called Bashar Assad a reformer when he was turning his Russian-provided guns on his own people.”

22) “When Barack Obama was elected, they had enough fissile material — nuclear material to make one bomb. Now they have enough for five.”

23) “[Iran is] racing toward a nuclear weapon.”

24) “We don’t want to do is give our allies reason to trust us less [by announcing a withdrawal timeline for Afghanistan].”

DETAILS: At The Vice Presidential Debate: Ryan Told 24 Myths In 40 Minutes | ThinkProgress

Nobody cares s0n......because nobody watched


FLASH: TV RATINGS FOR VP DEBATE DOWN SHARPLY... DEVELOPING...

CBS 10.4 MILLION
ABC 6.9 MILLION
NBC 6.8 MILLION
FOX 5.3 MILLION

 

[Rozman]

Now that TM is in limbo some where.
Lakhota is desperately trying to pick up the slack with multiple posts...

 

[Lakhota]

No wonder Biden won the debate. Truth matters...

 

[Lakhota]

Polls: Biden Wins Debate

Poll: Biden takes debate over Ryan, uncommitted voters say - CBS News

Joe Biden Wins Debate In CNBC Poll, Still Losing In Fake Breitbart-Reported AP Poll | Mediaite

Debate results: Joltin' Joe Biden wins the bout - POLITICO.com

Biden had the edge in VP debate: Reuters/Ipsos poll | Reuters