Vet sells illegal a gun - Seller busted - Illegal Walks

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    FOXNews.com - Gun Dealer Gets Prison for Selling to Illegal Immigrant; Illegal 'Middle Man' Not Charged

    Special protections for non-citizens. This shit has got to stop.
     
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    Blaming others for your own crimes. The GOP way.

    "Agents witnessed the Defendant (Copeland) negotiate a price for a handgun with Hipolito Aviles, who then handed cash to a second Hispanic male, who then handed Aviles' cash and his own identification to the defendant," the prosecution said in court documents.
    "The Defendant in turn sold the firearm and handed it to the 'straw' purchaser, who then handed the firearm to Hipolito Aviles. The Defendant then instructed Mr. Aviles to hand the firearm back to the straw purchaser because he had 'bought' the firearm. Agents witnessed the straw purchaser hand the firearm back to Hipolito Aviles a short time later."
    Aviles, the undocumented immigrant, was charged with possession of a firearm by a prohibited person, served a little over six months in prison and was deported on July 8, U.S. Attorney's Office spokesman Daryl Fields said.
     
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    That's not who paid for the gun. And the bigger question is: who has the responsibility to check the immigration status of the purchaser? Isn't that argument that the feds are using with AZ? "It's not your job. It's ours".
     
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    Did he speekee English?
     
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    The illegal spent 6 months in jail and was deported.
    It was the middle man that walked.
     
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    The middle man was probably a obama supporter!
     
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    What did they do to Americans who sold guns to the Indians?
     
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    If he really didn't know the gun was going to Aviles, then I'd be sympathetic to Copeland. But clearly that wasn't the case. I think 6 months is reasonable.
     
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    The fact that Huera and Aviles were not here legally is largely insignificant and just obfuscates the central point. What Copeland did was illegal, even if both Huerta and Aviles were natural born American citizens.
     
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    I'm not sure why they decided not to prosecute Huerta, but that doesn't change the fact that Copeland committed a crime either way. And just like with anything sold illegally, if the goal is to reduce overall sales, you get a lot more bang for your [arrest and prosecutorial] buck by going after the sellers than you do the buyers.

    Of course if Huerta was doing this for a "fee," that would make him an effective "seller" too. And if it turns out he does this regularly then he should go away for a lot longer than Copeland.
     
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