Very weird quote from Hillary: "I have produced change" ???

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    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8TV9LH80&show_article=1

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    Clinton got off her plane in New Hampshire and declared: "This is especially about all of the young people in New Hampshire who need a president who won't just call for change, or a president who won't just demand change, but a president who will produce change, just like I've been doing for 35 years."
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    I first heard that on TV this morning, and looked it up to see if it was a hoax or some kind of joke. Sure enough, she actually said that, and just yesterday. And with a straight face.

    Did I miss something? What change, exactly, has she "produced" in the last 35 years? She hasn't even been in any kind of office until her Senate election. And the sum total of bills she has written and gotten passed there? **ZERO**.

    She may have been referring to her time as First Lady. Or, "co-President", as she once referred to it. ut wasn't Bill the Presidentt, in fact, during that time? Certainly she advised Bill, as every First Lady advises her husband. But the only thing she was ever actually in charge of, was the Health Care task force in 1993, and it flopped on its face and never became law.

    What "change" did she EVER produce? Can someone help me out here?

    Actually, I guess there was one change she did produce, through her one actual government job during her husband's presidency. She came up with the "President's Health Care Reform Plan", and even published a book by that title. American voters reacted with nothing short of horror, especially at the draconian restrictions on doctor choice, huge new bureaucracies, dozens of normal activities now designated "crimes", etc. And the following year, they voted Democrats out of majorities in both the House and Senate, ending an almost-unbroken Dem monopoly that stretched back sixty years.

    So I guess Hillary did produce one change. But it's very weird to hear her bragging about it now.
     
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    Her is something she was a part of Acorn. Yeah, she has been involved in changing things...FOR THE WORSE!
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    By Wayne LaPierre, Executive Vice President
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    I vividly remember a stunning Fox network news video showing a 58-year-old grandmother body-slammed and severely injured by a burly patrolman in SWAT garb because she produced a small antique revolver, innocently saying it was all the protection she needed.
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    And then there was a Cox News Service headline that defines what the 21 st century Right to Keep and Bear Arms means:
    "Armed militia protects its New Orleans neighborhood."
    The accompanying news story told of civic-minded residents who banded
    together in the face of a total absence of law enforcement to protect their community against roving gangs of violent criminals—many of whom flocked to New Orleans because of the news that over 270 local police officers went AWOL during the emergency.
    Juxtapose that item with another headline that same week: "New Orleans Begins Confiscating Firearms,..."
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    I remember chaotic scenes of homeowners handcuffed, forced to watch police search for and seize their guns at a time when they needed them most.
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    Sorta of ironic but I find Hillary closer to the republican party than to the more liberal side of the democrats. But at least comment on what she has and has not done and not on campaign rhetoric.

    http://www.issues2000.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm
     
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    Yep, This is exactly the kind of crap I was talking about. So if some one kills someone with a shoe, should they be able to sue the shoe manufacturer? Flat out fucking stupid if you ask me?

    Get assault weapons & guns off the street. (Jul 2007)
    Background check system could prevent Virginia Tech massacre. (Apr 2007)
    FactCheck: VA Tech shooter not declared a danger to others. (Apr 2007)
    Congress' failure at Littleton response inspired Senate run. (Nov 2003)
    Keep guns away from people who shouldn’t have them. (Sep 2000)
    Limit access to weapons; look for early warning signs. (Sep 2000)
    License and register all handgun sales. (Jun 2000)
    Tough gun control keeps guns out of wrong hands. (Jul 1999)
    Gun control protects our children. (Jul 1999)
    Don’t water down sensible gun control legislation. (Jul 1999)
    Lock up guns; store ammo separately. (Jun 1999)
    Ban kids’ unsupervised access to guns. (Jun 1999)
    Get weapons off the streets; zero tolerance for weapons. (Sep 1996)
    Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
    Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
     
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    The only thing that changes are the faces...
     
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    You're not the only one of the left who agrees. She's an odd duck, and not nearly as uniformly hard left as the right wing punditry would have us believe. From counterpunch.org:

    Ok, you have to be a suscriber to read that article (I am not), but you can browse a list of their articles and get a picture that you rarely hear about from either side.
     
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    Since I think Hillary's experience is greatly exaggerated, I wondered why Obama and John Edwards didn't jump on that claim by Hillary and ask her for examples of the changes she was responsible for during those 35 years. They missed a golden opportunity to enlighten the voters about Hillary's claimed "experience".
     
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    You don't have to be in office to produce change.
     
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    Maybe it wasn't exaggerated.

    I love how people forget that she was considered one of the top 100 attorneys in the country even before Bill was president. This isn't some bimbo. Like her or not, she's always been a powerhouse.
     
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    I don't trust either party. Both the Dems and the Repubs have sold out to corporate sponsors via lobbyists and power via the military.

    They will do and say anything to get your vote. Our elections are all over the board, some electronic with no paper trail and subject to manipulation and error, some are Chads that can be unreliable at best, some are paper ballots which does not guarantee that they will be counted. Every office/school/church that an election is performed in is subject to tampering by volunteers and government officials.

    Does your vote truly count?
     

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