Vermont DID IT!

[Mustang]

What are conservatives going to say if/when this plan not only doesn't lead to the ruination of Vermont, but the citizens of Vermont, by and large, mostly like how it works?

That's pretty-much what happened, in Canada....it worked better than anyone had expected.​

I know. I have some friends in Vancouver, Canada. About 8-9 years ago, they travelled to Disneyland. After they returned home, Joe (the husband and father of two) became ill. At first they thought it was a cold or the flu. He just got worse and worse until he was hospitalized. He almost died several times. As it turns out, he had contracted Legionaires Disease (probably from one of the hotel air conditioner units).

Well, to make a long story short, he eventually recovered. That was obviously good news. The other good news is that they weren't at risk of bankruptcy and/or losing their home and their entire life savings which is something that is all too common in the USA. Even people with health insurance in the US can end up bankrupts due to an unexpected illness or lingering medical conditions. It happens ALL the time here.

 

[RDD_1210]

heres your problem rigthies.

These systems do work and they have worked better than the system we have now in this country.

The facts are that the US spends more than anyone and gets a much lower level of care than other countries who have single payer.

Its not a matter of IF it will work better , It will and has proven over and over again to work better.

Do you ever have a friggin' clue?

Here's your problem:.....A cracking Massachusetts bill.

Massachusetts' Obama-like Reforms Increase Health Costs, Wait Times | Michael F. Cannon | Cato Institute: Commentary

What does Massachusetts have to do with Vermont?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Great news for Vermont. Medicare in Canada began in one province there, too.

Bingo!!!

That was even discussed, back during the whole Reform battle, that....eventually....all it would take is for ONE STATE to try it, first!

We're THERE!!!​

 

[Mustang]

What will the right do when this system proves a great success?

You mean when hell freezes over?

Is this even constitutional for vermont? I mean the Federal Government already has a health care plan in place. Sure, it's not constitutional. But the Supremecy clause clear overrides state action here.

Yes, it's constitutional. Vermont has applied for a waiver just as all states are permitted to do by the HC legislation. Any state that develops a system with outcomes that meet federal standards is free to get a waiver.

Sounds like States Rights. I guess all that talk of a mandatory Federal Gov't takeover of HC was little more than a bunch of hooey.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

heres your problem rigthies.

These systems do work and they have worked better than the system we have now in this country.

The facts are that the US spends more than anyone and gets a much lower level of care than other countries who have single payer.

Its not a matter of IF it will work better , It will and has proven over and over again to work better.

Do you ever have a friggin' clue?

Here's your problem:.....A cracking Massachusetts bill.

Massachusetts' Obama-like Reforms Increase Health Costs, Wait Times | Michael F. Cannon | Cato Institute: Commentary

August 27, 2009

"A study conducted by the Urban Institute and released in December 2010 by the Massachusetts Division of Health Care Finance and Policy stated that as of June 2010, 98.1 percent of state residents had coverage. This compared to 97.3 percent having coverage in the state in 2009 and 83.3 percent having coverage nationwide.

The state's Secretary of Health and Human Services, JudyAnn Bigby, said, “Massachusetts' achievements in health care reform have been nothing short of extraordinary. With employers, government and individuals all sharing the responsibility of reform, we continue to have the highest insurance rate in the nation.”

Massachusetts Health Care Reform​

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[Mr. Shaman]

heres your problem rigthies.

These systems do work and they have worked better than the system we have now in this country.

The facts are that the US spends more than anyone and gets a much lower level of care than other countries who have single payer.

Its not a matter of IF it will work better , It will and has proven over and over again to work better.

Do you ever have a friggin' clue?

Here's your problem:.....A cracking Massachusetts bill.

Massachusetts' Obama-like Reforms Increase Health Costs, Wait Times | Michael F. Cannon | Cato Institute: Commentary

What does Massachusetts have to do with Vermont?

Another opportunity to
WHUP SOME TEABAGGER-ASS!!!

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Congratulations Vermont! You're going to be exporting working Americans and importing welfare seekers. Don't expect the rest of America to bail you out when you start to reap the consequences of this kind of fiscal irresponsibility.

Do working Americans not want health care coverage or something?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

What will the right do when this system proves a great success?

They won't ever admit it for one thing.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Congratulations Vermont! You're going to be exporting working Americans and importing welfare seekers. Don't expect the rest of America to bail you out when you start to reap the consequences of this kind of fiscal irresponsibility.

Do working Americans not want health care coverage or something?

"conservatives" see lack-of as some kind o' soft-extermination option....that it'd be (primarily) minorities that'd suffer the most....and, die-off.

Paul Ryan's Rand-reference is......

......useless parasites.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Congratulations Vermont! You're going to be exporting working Americans and importing welfare seekers. Don't expect the rest of America to bail you out when you start to reap the consequences of this kind of fiscal irresponsibility.

Do working Americans not want health care coverage or something?

"conservatives" see lack-of as some kind o' soft-extermination option....that it'd be (primarily) minorities that'd suffer the most....and, die-off.

Paul Ryan's Rand-reference is......

......useless parasites.

Well its my understanding that Vermont is as white as blanca whitey can get.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What will the right do when this system proves a great success?

"To conservatives, Maine proves that government efforts to strictly regulate the nation's health insurance market are doomed. Many of the reform proposals circulating on Capitol Hill have already been tried in Maine:

• A state-sponsored insurance plan has been capped at fewer than 9,000 because of financing problems, and the most common choice of those buying new plans in the state requires them to spend at least $15,000 a year before the insurer pays anything -- leading many to avoid important medical visits.

• Maine is one of 17 states that limits how much insurers can charge people for being older, and it does not allow exclusions for previous illnesses -- both policies that are part of national reform proposals.

• One result is that premiums for younger people are relatively high; although national proposals would require that nearly everyone get coverage or pay a penalty, Maine's Legislature rejected such a mandate so many young people do not or cannot buy insurance -- further skewing the insured pool to sicker and older people and making premiums that much higher.

Another change Maine has tried is to expand its eligibility rules for Medicaid, the government program for the poor. Nearly a quarter of the state's population participates in the poverty program. Proposals on Capitol Hill would require similar expansions across the country.

But Maine's poor are among the sickest in the nation, and its Medicaid benefits are relatively generous. Only Alaska spends more per adult Medicaid beneficiary. Part of the reason may be that, because premiums in the private insurance market are so high, many go without insurance for years before qualifying for Medicaid, says the Times.
Source: Gardiner Harris, "Maine Finds a Health Care Fix Elusive," New York Times, November 11, 2009.
For text:
http://www.http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/11/health/policy/11maine.html

 

[Wicked Jester]

Do you ever have a friggin' clue?

Here's your problem:.....A cracking Massachusetts bill.

Massachusetts' Obama-like Reforms Increase Health Costs, Wait Times | Michael F. Cannon | Cato Institute: Commentary

What does Massachusetts have to do with Vermont?

Another opportunity to
WHUP SOME TEABAGGER-ASS!!!

Making ignorant fools like YOU look stupid!

Medical News: Primary Care Still Hard to Get in Massachusetts - in Washington-Watch, Reform from MedPage Today

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Do working Americans not want health care coverage or something?

"conservatives" see lack-of as some kind o' soft-extermination option....that it'd be (primarily) minorities that'd suffer the most....and, die-off.

Paul Ryan's Rand-reference is......

......useless parasites.

Well its my understanding that Vermont is as white as blanca whitey can get.

No, I meant nationally.....if "conservatives" could force for-profit health-care, nationally.​

 

[Wacky Quacky]

Congratulations Vermont! You're going to be exporting working Americans and importing welfare seekers. Don't expect the rest of America to bail you out when you start to reap the consequences of this kind of fiscal irresponsibility.

Do working Americans not want health care coverage or something?

You're not looking at it the right way. It's not about healthcare, it's about people being able to do what they want with their own money vs being told what to do with their money. Even if someone already pays for health insurance, and instead would just be paying an equal amount to the single payer system, it's the difference between them wanting to pay for that health insurance vs being forced to pay for a single payer system. Some people value personal liberty and choice above what may be best for them (and, of course, deciding what's best is all subjective). That may very well drive some people away.

And there will be people going to VT for free healthcare. Free because they either live right across state lines, or free because they don't work. That will be a drain on the system.

There are some issues that I hope VT worked out before deciding on this.

 

[sparky]

Christ on a cracker i've never read such an onslaught of outlandish, preconcieved , prejudiced ,contrived scared and or po'd people opining outta thier backside in my life

You people do know that there is a time frame for individual states to opt out of Obamacare right? (please forgive me those of you who've made salient points here towards this)

You people do know that all Obamacare amounts to is a fascist mandate engineered to make insurance CEO's filthy rich, right?

tell you what, lemme know what your legisatures are doing for you in your state, and how it's going to work out for ya's.............

 

[P F Tinmore]

heres your problem rigthies.

These systems do work and they have worked better than the system we have now in this country.

The facts are that the US spends more than anyone and gets a much lower level of care than other countries who have single payer.

Its not a matter of IF it will work better , It will and has proven over and over again to work better.

Do you ever have a friggin' clue?

Here's your problem:.....A cracking Massachusetts bill.

Massachusetts' Obama-like Reforms Increase Health Costs, Wait Times | Michael F. Cannon | Cato Institute: Commentary

Massachusetts has the most expensive, corporate welfare system.

Vermont has the least expensive, single payer system.

 

[8537]

heres your problem rigthies.

These systems do work and they have worked better than the system we have now in this country.

The facts are that the US spends more than anyone and gets a much lower level of care than other countries who have single payer.

Its not a matter of IF it will work better , It will and has proven over and over again to work better.

Do you ever have a friggin' clue?

Here's your problem:.....A cracking Massachusetts bill.

Massachusetts' Obama-like Reforms Increase Health Costs, Wait Times | Michael F. Cannon | Cato Institute: Commentary

Well after reading that Cato hit piece I'm sure glad Vermont isn't attempting anything even vaguely similar to the Romneycare!

 

[Claudette]

Sure hope what happend in MA doesn't happen in Vt.

Was watching the news the other night and Romneycare was featured.

Apparantly 95% of the citizens are covered but costs went through the roof.

Around $500 more if your single and up the $900 more to cover a family.

Jeeze. I'd be in the poorhouse.

Hope Vts plan isn't like MA's.

 

[Truthmatters]

Please give us a link to your numbers

 

[Claudette]

Please give us a link to your numbers

It was a local new program.

If you doubt the numbers feel free to Google away TDM.

I'm sure there are plenty of sites on Romneycare.

Have fun.