Venezuela: You Have Got to be Kidding

[onedomino]

Chavez, in an effort to reward the poor of Venezuela for tolerating his socialist regime, has decided to purchase Russian submarines. Of course submarines are just what Venezuela needs to improve the lot of Caracas slum dwellers.

Chavez visited Russia from June 30 to July 2 — a trip during which some expected an agreement to be announced — but speaking on Venezuelan national television on July 4, he said only that he intends to buy submarines, helicopters and cargo aircraft from Russia.

The submarines are only for defense, Chavez said. Defense from what? The Columbian Navy? American nuclear attack subs?

In Moscow, Sergei Chemezov, head of the Russian state military export monopoly Rosoboronexport, confirmed July 5 that negotiations are under way to sell submarines to Venezuela.

Chemezov’s aide, Innokenty Naletov, told a press conference in St. Petersburg that Venezuela seeks to buy five Project 636 Kilo-class diesel-electric submarines for about $200 million apiece. The submarines, similar to those in service in the Russian navy and exported to China, India and Iran, would be built in Russia.

Venezuela operates two German-built Type 209 submarines dating from the mid-1970s. Plans to replace the subs and expand the submarine fleet were announced in September 2005, and Chavez has said he would like to buy nine new submarines along with more than a hundred surface ships.

Although Venezuela owns a relatively sizeable fleet of frigates, fast missile craft and amphibious ships, all of its combatant ships are more than 20 years old.

Russia and Venezuela last year signed military export contracts for $3.5 billion, which made the Latin American country Moscow’s fifth-biggest arms client, according to Rosoboronexport. Chemezov — speaking with journalists July 2 while showing Chavez the Rostvertol helicopter plant in Rostov-on-Don — said that 10 of 24 Su-30MK2 fighters and 15 of 53 Mi-17V5, Mi-35 and Mi-26 helicopters contracted by Venezuela last July already have been delivered.

Also, 100,000 Kalashnikov AK47 assault rifles have been shipped to Venezuela and a plant for licensed manufacture of the Kalashnikovs is being built by Russian specialists in Venezuela.

http://defensenews.com/story.php?F=2899007&C=america

 

[CSM]

Chavez, in an effort to reward the poor of Venezuela for tolerating his socialist regime, has decided to purchase Russian submarines. Of course submarines are just what Venezuela needs to improve the lot of Caracas slum dwellers.

I hope he bus LOTS of Russian military hardware. We've already tested most of our stuff against that crap.

 

[Annie]

bottom line and no suprise, he's hoping for a Cold War and is choosing sides. Anyone see somthing wrong from his perspective?

 

[CSM]

bottom line and no suprise, he's hoping for a Cold War and is choosing sides. Anyone see somthing wrong from his perspective?

I am sure in his mind he becomes the hero of South America.

 

[Annie]

I am sure in his mind he becomes the hero of South America.

Concur.

 

[Paulie]

bottom line and no suprise, he's hoping for a Cold War and is choosing sides. Anyone see somthing wrong from his perspective?

No, i only listen to the mainstream media's perspective.

 

[DeadCanDance]

Chavez, in an effort to reward the poor of Venezuela for tolerating his socialist regime, has decided to purchase Russian submarines. Of course submarines are just what Venezuela needs to improve the lot of Caracas slum dwellers.

"Defense from what? The Columbian Navy? American nuclear attack subs?"


Uhh, yes the Colombian Navy has submarines, and Vezezuela and Colombia are traditional competitors, and have indeed had military clashes along their border.

Why would it suprise you that a Nation would purchase arms for its defense? You didn't honestly think Venezuela was going to attack the U.S. with some outdated soviet subs, did you?

 

[Annie]

"Defense from what? The Columbian Navy? American nuclear attack subs?"


Uhh, yes the Colombian Navy has submarines, and Vezezuela and Colombia are traditional competitors, and have indeed had military clashes along their border.

Why would it suprise you that a Nation would purchase arms for its defense? You didn't honestly think Venezuela was going to attack the U.S. with some outdated soviet subs, did you?

Why would they? What is the point, defensively?

 

[DeadCanDance]

Why would they? What is the point, defensively?

Surely you jest. Virtually every major developing country on the planet, with a sea-going Navy has submarines. Why are you singling out Venezeula for having some nefarious goal? Paranoia?

Venezeual is a competitor with Columbia. Of course they're going to have a national defense and a Navy, if only for contingency purposes. That's why we HAVE a military, right? For contingency purposes? Not, because we want to be war mongers who just randomly attack nations?

 

[onedomino]

Surely you jest. Virtually every major developing country on the planet, with a sea-going Navy has submarines. Why are you singling out Venezeula for having some nefarious goal? Paranoia?

Venezeual is a competitor with Columbia. Of course they're going to have a national defense and a Navy, if only for contingency purposes. That's why we HAVE a military, right? For contingency purposes? Not, because we want to be war mongers who just randomly attack nations?

Unbelievable. Leave it to you to defend Chavez squandering what little wealth his country has on submarines. The Left defending the Left. Do you think the desperate Caracas slum dwellers would rather have submarines or housing and food? The socialist government of Chavez is spending billions on Russian weapons for what reason? To sign peace treaties with neighboring non-socialist governments?

 

[T-Bor]

Ummm..that is pretty much what we are now. Especially if we attack IRAN.

Not, because we want to be war mongers who just randomly attack nations?

 

[Annie]

Surely you jest. Virtually every major developing country on the planet, with a sea-going Navy has submarines. Why are you singling out Venezeula for having some nefarious goal? Paranoia?

Venezeual is a competitor with Columbia. Of course they're going to have a national defense and a Navy, if only for contingency purposes. That's why we HAVE a military, right? For contingency purposes? Not, because we want to be war mongers who just randomly attack nations?

You base Venezeula being a major developing country upon what?

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ve.html

How dare a responsible leader take food out of the mouths of the poor, to buy offensive military hardware.

 

[T-Bor]

Do you think the poor people of America would rather have food and shelter or spend billions of dollars on a futile war in IRAQ? We neglect our poor left and right. Our govt could give a shit about them. Why should they act any different? Gotcha ...

Unbelievable. Leave it to you to defend Chavez squandering what little wealth his country has on submarines. The Left defending the Left. Do you think the desperate Caracas slum dwellers would rather have submarines or housing and food? The socialist government of Chavez is spending billions on Russian weapons for what reason? To sign peace treaties with neighboring non-socialist governments?

 

[DeadCanDance]

Unbelievable. Leave it to you to defend Chavez squandering what little wealth his country has on submarines. The Left defending the Left. Do you think the desperate Caracas slum dwellers would rather have submarines or housing and food? The socialist government of Chavez is spending billions on Russian weapons for what reason? To sign peace treaties with neighboring non-socialist governments?

Well, I'm sorry you embarrased yourself on this thread.

Every major sea-faring nation in south america has submarines it their navys.

Why did you single out Venezuela? Partisan hackery?

 

[DeadCanDance]

You base Venezeula being a major developing country upon what?

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ve.html

How dare a responsible leader take food out of the mouths of the poor, to buy offensive military hardware.

Why aren't you outraged that Chile, Colombia, Brazil, Peru, Argentina, have subs in their navy's?

 

[Annie]

Why aren't you outraged that Chile, Colombia, Brazil, Peru, Argentina, have subs in their navy's?

Have some links?

 

[DeadCanDance]

Have some links?

I'll be happy to provide them, if finally this time, you admit you were wrong after I provide the links. You have a habit of not admitting you're wrong.

Agreed?

 

[Annie]

I'll be happy to provide them, if finally this time, you admit you were wrong after I provide the links. You have a habit of not admitting you're wrong.

Agreed?

Actually quite the contrary, then you would have to be reading my posts.

 

[DeadCanDance]

Chilean Navy Submarines:

SCORPENE FOR THE CHILEAN NAVY
The 1,500t Scorpene built for the Chilean Navy has a length of 66.4m. The two vessels are powered by four diesel generators providing more than 2,500kW using GM synchronous motors with permanent magnets

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/scorpene/

Colombian Navy Submarines

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/colombia/colombia_navy.htm




Now that I've answered your question, can you answer one of mine please?


Why aren't you outraged that other South American countries purchase submarines for their Navys?

 

[Truthmatters]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Navy