Venezuela to nationalize food distribution

[danielpalos]

better central planning?

I think the vast majority of companies that rent offices in skyscrapers are service, especially financial service companies.

what better way to plan to succeed in making a profit.

 

[bripat9643]

Venezuela is swirling down the drain, and it's all due to implementing policies that every liberal in this forum endorses. Watching it implode should provide a valuable object lesson in the failures of socialism. The excuses libs make for this disaster will be hysterical to behold.

Venezuela to nationalize food distribution - Yahoo News​

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has promised to nationalize food distribution in the South American nation beset with record shortages of basic goods, runaway inflation and an escalating economic crisis.

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Various estimates suggest the government already controls about half of the country's food distribution, but that hasn't stopped record shortages in shops and markets.

Venezuela is struggling with a recession, 68.5-percent annual inflation and severe shortages of the basic goods that it relies on oil money to import.

On any given day, people in Venezuela can wait hours to get some subsidized milk, cooking oil, milk or flour -- if they can be found at all.​

We will see what happens. I can live without shiny capitalist skyscrapers everywhere when I have some food in my refrigerator, instead

Those shiny skyscrapers house the people who make cheap food in this country possible.

How do the employes in the offices make cheap food possible?

They design tractors, develop fertilizer and pesticides, build combines and numerous other farm machinery. They develop software that helps farmers get the highest possible yield from their fields. The list of technologies farmers use to produce food and make it as cheap is possible is endless.

 

[bripat9643]

better central planning?

I think the vast majority of companies that rent offices in skyscrapers are service, especially financial service companies.

Hmmm, I write software and I work in a highrise building.

 

[Bleipriester]

better central planning?

I think the vast majority of companies that rent offices in skyscrapers are service, especially financial service companies.

Hmmm, I write software and I work in a highrise building.

And the software you make would not be so good if you would not work in such a building?

 

[bripat9643]

better central planning?

I think the vast majority of companies that rent offices in skyscrapers are service, especially financial service companies.

Hmmm, I write software and I work in a highrise building.

And the software you make would not be so good if you would not work in such a building?

What difference does it make? You aren't going to make food cheaper by outlawing highrise office buildings. All such laws invariably cause more problems than they solve. I can think of half a dozen if you imposed such a scheme.

 

[Toro]

Venezuela is swirling down the drain, and it's all due to implementing policies that every liberal in this forum endorses. Watching it implode should provide a valuable object lesson in the failures of socialism. The excuses libs make for this disaster will be hysterical to behold.

Venezuela to nationalize food distribution - Yahoo News​

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has promised to nationalize food distribution in the South American nation beset with record shortages of basic goods, runaway inflation and an escalating economic crisis.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Various estimates suggest the government already controls about half of the country's food distribution, but that hasn't stopped record shortages in shops and markets.

Venezuela is struggling with a recession, 68.5-percent annual inflation and severe shortages of the basic goods that it relies on oil money to import.

On any given day, people in Venezuela can wait hours to get some subsidized milk, cooking oil, milk or flour -- if they can be found at all.​

We will see what happens. I can live without shiny capitalist skyscrapers everywhere when I have some food in my refrigerator, instead

Too bad many Venezuelans don't have food in their refrigerators.

 

[Bleipriester]

better central planning?

I think the vast majority of companies that rent offices in skyscrapers are service, especially financial service companies.

Hmmm, I write software and I work in a highrise building.

And the software you make would not be so good if you would not work in such a building?

What difference does it make? You aren't going to make food cheaper by outlawing highrise office buildings. All such laws invariably cause more problems than they solve. I can think of half a dozen if you imposed such a scheme.

It is not about outlawing high rises.

 

[Bleipriester]

Venezuela is swirling down the drain, and it's all due to implementing policies that every liberal in this forum endorses. Watching it implode should provide a valuable object lesson in the failures of socialism. The excuses libs make for this disaster will be hysterical to behold.

Venezuela to nationalize food distribution - Yahoo News​

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has promised to nationalize food distribution in the South American nation beset with record shortages of basic goods, runaway inflation and an escalating economic crisis.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Various estimates suggest the government already controls about half of the country's food distribution, but that hasn't stopped record shortages in shops and markets.

Venezuela is struggling with a recession, 68.5-percent annual inflation and severe shortages of the basic goods that it relies on oil money to import.

On any given day, people in Venezuela can wait hours to get some subsidized milk, cooking oil, milk or flour -- if they can be found at all.​

We will see what happens. I can live without shiny capitalist skyscrapers everywhere when I have some food in my refrigerator, instead

Too bad many Venezuelans don't have food in their refrigerators.

I am sure, the government measures will improve the situation by sharing the former profit margin with the farmers and citizens.

 

[bripat9643]

better central planning?

I think the vast majority of companies that rent offices in skyscrapers are service, especially financial service companies.

Hmmm, I write software and I work in a highrise building.

And the software you make would not be so good if you would not work in such a building?

What difference does it make? You aren't going to make food cheaper by outlawing highrise office buildings. All such laws invariably cause more problems than they solve. I can think of half a dozen if you imposed such a scheme.

It is not about outlawing high rises.

Then what is it about?

 

[bripat9643]

Venezuela is swirling down the drain, and it's all due to implementing policies that every liberal in this forum endorses. Watching it implode should provide a valuable object lesson in the failures of socialism. The excuses libs make for this disaster will be hysterical to behold.

Venezuela to nationalize food distribution - Yahoo News​

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has promised to nationalize food distribution in the South American nation beset with record shortages of basic goods, runaway inflation and an escalating economic crisis.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Various estimates suggest the government already controls about half of the country's food distribution, but that hasn't stopped record shortages in shops and markets.

Venezuela is struggling with a recession, 68.5-percent annual inflation and severe shortages of the basic goods that it relies on oil money to import.

On any given day, people in Venezuela can wait hours to get some subsidized milk, cooking oil, milk or flour -- if they can be found at all.​

We will see what happens. I can live without shiny capitalist skyscrapers everywhere when I have some food in my refrigerator, instead

Too bad many Venezuelans don't have food in their refrigerators.

I am sure, the government measures will improve the situation by sharing the former profit margin with the farmers and citizens.

BWAHAHAHAHA!

The more profits the government "shares," the emptier the shelves in the stores.

 

[Bleipriester]

I think the vast majority of companies that rent offices in skyscrapers are service, especially financial service companies.

Hmmm, I write software and I work in a highrise building.

And the software you make would not be so good if you would not work in such a building?

What difference does it make? You aren't going to make food cheaper by outlawing highrise office buildings. All such laws invariably cause more problems than they solve. I can think of half a dozen if you imposed such a scheme.

It is not about outlawing high rises.

Then what is it about?

Pomp. While a big share of the population struggles to survive. The Empire State Building for example couldn´t find renters for years. And after all, America has so much soil, that building normal office buildings is far cheaper. Don´t you know how expensive anything is in New York? Where is the cheap food for the poor?

 

[Bleipriester]

Venezuela is swirling down the drain, and it's all due to implementing policies that every liberal in this forum endorses. Watching it implode should provide a valuable object lesson in the failures of socialism. The excuses libs make for this disaster will be hysterical to behold.

Venezuela to nationalize food distribution - Yahoo News​

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has promised to nationalize food distribution in the South American nation beset with record shortages of basic goods, runaway inflation and an escalating economic crisis.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Various estimates suggest the government already controls about half of the country's food distribution, but that hasn't stopped record shortages in shops and markets.

Venezuela is struggling with a recession, 68.5-percent annual inflation and severe shortages of the basic goods that it relies on oil money to import.

On any given day, people in Venezuela can wait hours to get some subsidized milk, cooking oil, milk or flour -- if they can be found at all.​

We will see what happens. I can live without shiny capitalist skyscrapers everywhere when I have some food in my refrigerator, instead

Too bad many Venezuelans don't have food in their refrigerators.

I am sure, the government measures will improve the situation by sharing the former profit margin with the farmers and citizens.

BWAHAHAHAHA!

The more profits the government "shares," the emptier the shelves in the stores.

Not automatically. And there are situations, in which the nationalizing is a good thing.
In my opinion, basic food, water and electricity may not be privately owned.

This is not only about high prices but also about low prices. The farmers don´t get enough to survive while the companies earn the money:
Landwirtschaft im Rhein-Sieg-Kreis Der letzte Milchbauer in Siegburg gibt auf Siegburg - K lnische Rundschau

 

[bripat9643]

Hmmm, I write software and I work in a highrise building.

And the software you make would not be so good if you would not work in such a building?

What difference does it make? You aren't going to make food cheaper by outlawing highrise office buildings. All such laws invariably cause more problems than they solve. I can think of half a dozen if you imposed such a scheme.

It is not about outlawing high rises.

Then what is it about?

Pomp. While a big share of the population struggles to survive. The Empire State Building for example couldn´t find renters for years.

Do you know how many government buildings are sitting empty at this moment? The total amount of square footage comes to many multiples of square footage of the Empire State building. The builders of the Empire State building had no warning that a government created credit bubble was about to collapse. ON the other hand, government has no such excuse. These buildings have been sitting empty for years.

The moral of this story is that putting government in charge of building office space is a prescription for economic catastrophe.

And after all, America has so much soil, that building normal office buildings is far cheaper. Don´t you know how expensive anything is in New York? Where is the cheap food for the poor?

Office space in the middle of Kansas doesn't do much for a New York law firm. All their clients are in New York. Businesses want to be located in downtown New York for a reason. They wouldn't pay those exorbitant prices for office space if they didn't believe there was a payoff. That's why it's so stupid to leave business decisions to government bureaucrats. They have priorities other than getting the most bang for their money.

 

[bripat9643]

Venezuela is swirling down the drain, and it's all due to implementing policies that every liberal in this forum endorses. Watching it implode should provide a valuable object lesson in the failures of socialism. The excuses libs make for this disaster will be hysterical to behold.

Venezuela to nationalize food distribution - Yahoo News​

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has promised to nationalize food distribution in the South American nation beset with record shortages of basic goods, runaway inflation and an escalating economic crisis.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Various estimates suggest the government already controls about half of the country's food distribution, but that hasn't stopped record shortages in shops and markets.

Venezuela is struggling with a recession, 68.5-percent annual inflation and severe shortages of the basic goods that it relies on oil money to import.

On any given day, people in Venezuela can wait hours to get some subsidized milk, cooking oil, milk or flour -- if they can be found at all.​

We will see what happens. I can live without shiny capitalist skyscrapers everywhere when I have some food in my refrigerator, instead

Too bad many Venezuelans don't have food in their refrigerators.

I am sure, the government measures will improve the situation by sharing the former profit margin with the farmers and citizens.

BWAHAHAHAHA!

The more profits the government "shares," the emptier the shelves in the stores.

Not automatically. And there are situations, in which the nationalizing is a good thing.
In my opinion, basic food, water and electricity may not be privately owned.

There are no situations where nationalizing is a good thing. None. If the government was put in charge of the Sahara Dessert there would soon be a shortage of sand. The Venezuelan government is in charge of "basic food," and the store shelves are empty. They also have frequent power outages in Caracas.

This is not only about high prices but also about low prices. The farmers don´t get enough to survive while the companies earn the money:
Landwirtschaft im Rhein-Sieg-Kreis Der letzte Milchbauer in Siegburg gibt auf Siegburg - K lnische Rundschau

A lot of farmers are quite wealthy. However, there are always farmers who don't own enough land or who are farming marginal land who can't make enough to pay the bills. If a farmer can't make a living from his farm then he should change his occupation. If he has a decent sized farm his land is probably worth several million dollars, so why should the taxpayers subsidize him?

 

[Toro]

Venezuela is swirling down the drain, and it's all due to implementing policies that every liberal in this forum endorses. Watching it implode should provide a valuable object lesson in the failures of socialism. The excuses libs make for this disaster will be hysterical to behold.

Venezuela to nationalize food distribution - Yahoo News​

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has promised to nationalize food distribution in the South American nation beset with record shortages of basic goods, runaway inflation and an escalating economic crisis.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Various estimates suggest the government already controls about half of the country's food distribution, but that hasn't stopped record shortages in shops and markets.

Venezuela is struggling with a recession, 68.5-percent annual inflation and severe shortages of the basic goods that it relies on oil money to import.

On any given day, people in Venezuela can wait hours to get some subsidized milk, cooking oil, milk or flour -- if they can be found at all.​

We will see what happens. I can live without shiny capitalist skyscrapers everywhere when I have some food in my refrigerator, instead

Too bad many Venezuelans don't have food in their refrigerators.

I am sure, the government measures will improve the situation by sharing the former profit margin with the farmers and citizens.

lol

 

[Bleipriester]

Do you know how many government buildings are sitting empty at this moment? The total amount of square footage comes to many multiples of square footage of the Empire State building. The builders of the Empire State building had no warning that a government created credit bubble was about to collapse. ON the other hand, government has no such excuse. These buildings have been sitting empty for years.

The moral of this story is that putting government in charge of building office space is a prescription for economic catastrophe.

It was not so wrong to start that giant building projects in the time of the depression. But the case of the Empire State Building shows that not all of that buildings served the needs of the economy.

Office space in the middle of Kansas doesn't do much for a New York law firm. All their clients are in New York. Businesses want to be located in downtown New York for a reason. They wouldn't pay those exorbitant prices for office space if they didn't believe there was a payoff. That's why it's so stupid to leave business decisions to government bureaucrats. They have priorities other than getting the most bang for their money.

It is for the reputation, I guess.

 

[Bleipriester]

There are no situations where nationalizing is a good thing. None. If the government was put in charge of the Sahara Dessert there would soon be a shortage of sand. The Venezuelan government is in charge of "basic food," and the store shelves are empty. They also have frequent power outages in Caracas.

This is not an automatism. If the government does well, the result will be good. What about Venezuela. It isn´t exactly a socialist state. It is a state instead, that is going through a transformation from an exploited capitalist country to a socialist country. Caracas is a stronghold of crime. That is not typical for socialist countries.

A lot of farmers are quite wealthy. However, there are always farmers who don't own enough land or who are farming marginal land who can't make enough to pay the bills. If a farmer can't make a living from his farm then he should change his occupation. If he has a decent sized farm his land is probably worth several million dollars, so why should the taxpayers subsidize him?

No, that´s incorrect. If the farmer doesn´t earn enough for the liter of milk he produces, he has to close its business. But the low price is artificial: The companies destroy the farmers. Here is where the government must take action.
The unregulated market capitalists praise serves only the big players and one day the big players become too powerful to be controlled anymore and this is the point where all the economic plurality falls apart and a privately owned regime replaces the regular government.

 

[danielpalos]

I am not sure why this continues to be a problem for any command economy, but for a lack of efficient command.