Vanishing Glaciers Of The Greater Himalaya - Photographic evidence

[Old Rocks]

Weissee Glacier - Earth Science Picture of the Day

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Summary authors & editors: Martin Dietzel

The photo above shows the receding Weissee Glacier in the Austrian Alps. The recession of this glacier as well as many others in the Alps, a result primarily of regional warming, has becomes clearly visible in the past decade or so. Standing in front of the glacier, one can easily detect how much of this glacier has already vanished. Crevasses several meters wide have recently opened up in the ablation zone of the Weissee. Parts of the remaining glacier are regularly skied upon, marring the remnants of this once impressive ice mass. Glaciologists have estimated that since the middle of the 19th century, approximately half the volume of Europe's alpine glaciers has disappeared.

 

[RollingThunder]

As usual, the anti-science denier cultists live in a two-valued, black and white world where it is either all one way or all the opposite way. LOL. In their oversimplified and rather moronic world, if the Matterhorn still has any snow on it at all and it is not totally bare, then everything is fine and there is no problem. In the real world the changes can be more complex and less obvious.

Global warning strikes the Matterhorn
July 26, 2006
PhysOrg.com
(excerpts)

Global warming is reportedly having a dramatic effect on the Matterhorn in the European Alps, with landslides and flaking becoming more numerous. The landslides are being caused by retreating ice cover, with zero temperatures now found only above approximately 13,000 feet (4,000 meters), global warming expert Michele Comi told the Italian news agency ANSA. "This means that all the rock fractures generally held together by the ice, which acts as a glue, give way because the ice melts, leading to a situation of instability" said Comi. "Geologically speaking, the process is normal. What isn't normal is the acceleration of these phenomena. "The classic ice-and-snow-climbing routes aren't accessible in July any more. That is a huge anomaly," Comi added.

Stefano Mayr of Mountain Wilderness Italia said the effects of global warming are obvious. "All you have to do is take a climbing guide from 15 years ago," Mayr told ANSA. "A spot that is described in the book as a snow-covered ridge is now gravel."

Copyright 2006 by United Press International

(In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.)

I see a story from 2006. We have a photo taken a few days ago. Guess what the real people without a political/religious agenda are going to pay attention to?

If you mean "the real people" without any brains, like you and your fellow denier cult retards, then they'll probably be so simple-minded that they will, as I just mentioned, believe that a photo showing a light dusting of snow negates all of the evidence of ice and snow cover loss and the testimony of the experts and local residents. Are you guys actually proud of being such dumbshits?

 

[gslack]

SPAM!

 

[westwall]

As usual, the anti-science denier cultists live in a two-valued, black and white world where it is either all one way or all the opposite way. LOL. In their oversimplified and rather moronic world, if the Matterhorn still has any snow on it at all and it is not totally bare, then everything is fine and there is no problem. In the real world the changes can be more complex and less obvious.

Global warning strikes the Matterhorn
July 26, 2006
PhysOrg.com
(excerpts)

Global warming is reportedly having a dramatic effect on the Matterhorn in the European Alps, with landslides and flaking becoming more numerous. The landslides are being caused by retreating ice cover, with zero temperatures now found only above approximately 13,000 feet (4,000 meters), global warming expert Michele Comi told the Italian news agency ANSA. "This means that all the rock fractures generally held together by the ice, which acts as a glue, give way because the ice melts, leading to a situation of instability" said Comi. "Geologically speaking, the process is normal. What isn't normal is the acceleration of these phenomena. "The classic ice-and-snow-climbing routes aren't accessible in July any more. That is a huge anomaly," Comi added.

Stefano Mayr of Mountain Wilderness Italia said the effects of global warming are obvious. "All you have to do is take a climbing guide from 15 years ago," Mayr told ANSA. "A spot that is described in the book as a snow-covered ridge is now gravel."

Copyright 2006 by United Press International

(In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.)

I see a story from 2006. We have a photo taken a few days ago. Guess what the real people without a political/religious agenda are going to pay attention to?

If you mean "the real people" without any brains, like you and your fellow denier cult retards, then they'll probably be so simple-minded that they will, as I just mentioned, believe that a photo showing a light dusting of snow negates all of the evidence of ice and snow cover loss and the testimony of the experts and local residents. Are you guys actually proud of being such dumbshits?

As I said junior, we thank you

 

[westwall]

Well, Ol' Walleyes, you asked for recent observations of the Alps. Both are current observations of conditions there from people that use that area.

The discovery of the ruins of ice: The birth of glacier research | Guest Blog, Scientific American Blog Network

These records showed various fluctuations, but from 1850 onward a general trend of recession of glaciers in the Alps is observable. This trend has experienced a strong increase in the last 50 years, causing concern for the fast change in the landscape, the destabilisation of the rock walls once supported by the melting glaciers and the alteration of the discharge and hydrology of mountain ranges, not to mention the lost of aesthetic value of the “ruins of ice.”

Overall good article, bet you missed the pertinent part though...didn't ya? I also liked this little excerpt.



"In 1815 the Swiss Jean Pierre Perraudin, a chamois hunter in the Val de Bagnes, discussed with the engineer Ignatz Venetz his theory of former glaciers covering the entire valley. Impressed by such an idea Venetz begun to map geological features that made him recognize that not only the Val de Bagnes was once covered by ice, but even the entire Switzerland. Vernetz´s lecture at the assembly of the Swiss Association for Natural History in 1829 found little interest for his proposal: only Jean de Charpentier, director of the salt mine in the city of Bex (Western Switzerland), who 14 years earlier had meet Perraudin, got interested in this new theory."

 

[westwall]

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20030025392_2003026276.pdf

ABSTRACT
The tongue of the Pasterze Glacier in the eastern Alps of Austria receded more than 1 152
m from 1880 to 200 1. Landsat and Ikonos satellite data from 1976 to 200 1, topographic
maps beginning in 1893 and ground measurements were studied. Results show that
though satellite images significantly underestimate the width of the Pasterze Glacier
tongue due to the presence of morainal material on the surface, they provide an excellent
way to measure the recession of the exposed-ice part of the glacier tongue. The rate of
change of the terminus as determined using satellite data is found to compare well with
ground measurements. Between 1976 and 200 1, Landsat-derived measurements show a
recession of the terminus of the Pasterze Glacier of 479 +113 rn (at an average rate of
18.4 m a-') while measurements from the ground showed a recession of 428 m (at an
average recession of 17.1 m a-I). Ikonos satellite images from 2000 and 200 1 reveal
changes in the exposed ice part of the Pasterze tongue, and a decrease in area of the
exposed ice part of the tongue of 22,096 m2. GPS points and a ground survey of the
glacier terminus in August 200 1 were plotted on a 1 -m resolution Ikonos image, and
showed the actual terminus shape and location. The nearby Kleines FleiDkees glacier lost

Here's another take on it covering just one glacier, but it is representative of the whole. Please note the cyclic advance and retreat. Please also note the time frames in which they occur.

"INTRODUCTION
There has been a general recession of glaciers in the European Alps since the Little Ice Age
ended around 1850, though the recession has been interrupted a few times by brief advances. The
glaciers are receding in response to a regional climate warming.
The Pasterze Glacier is in the Hohe Tauern, a mountain range in the eastern Alps of Austria
where the Johannisberg (3463 m) and Grossglockner (3798 m) mountains are located. The
Grossglockner is the highest peak in Austria from which some tributary glaciers flowing into the
Pasterze. In this paper, we discuss historical ice-front positions of the Pasterze, show satellite
images, and provide measurements of ice-front position changes from ground and satellite data.
BACKGROUND
A major advance of glaciers in the Austrian Alps occurred around 1600. The glaciers remained in
an advanced position, with only small variations for the next 250 years. Most glaciers in the eastern
part of the Alps reached another maximum in the 1770s, and again around 1850. Since then, at the
approximate end of the Little Ice Age, glaciers receded until about 1965, although there were small
readvances between 1890 and 1920. Most of the glaciers stopped advancing in the mid-1980s due to
warm summers and reduced snowfall. In 1988, about 80 percent of the Austrian glaciers were in
1 Code 974, NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Maryland 20771, USA
[email protected]
2 Department of Geography, Keene State College, Keene, New Hampshire 03435-2001USA
3 Code 971, NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD 20771, USA
4 Klimaabteilung , Zentralanstalt für Meteorologie und Geodynamik - ZAMG (Central Institute of
Meteorology and Geodynamics - ZAMG), A-1190 Wien, Hohe Warte 38 (A-1190 Vienna, Hohe Warte
38), Austria
recession (Rott, 1993). Böhm (1986) and Bayr et al. (1994) show that there was a general increase
in average (May through September) temperature and a concurrent decrease in the number of days
between May and September with snowfall since 1886.
There are 925 glaciers with a total area of 542 km2 in the Austrian Alps, only five of which are
larger than 10 km2; the majority is smaller than 1 km2. The Pasterze Glacier is the largest with an
area of 19.8 km2, and a length of 9.2 km in 1969 (Rott, 1993). Between 1979 and 1989, the mean
equilibrium-line altitude (ELA) of the glacier was 2880 m a.s.l. (Zuo and Oerlemans, 1997).
The terminus of the Pasterze Glacier has retreated each year since the winter of heavy snow in
1965-66, the total cumulative recession as measured on the ground being 408 m (Österreichischer
Alpenverein, 1999-2000). Previous work showed that between 1984 and 1990, the terminus of the
glacier receded at an average speed of 15 m year –1 according to measurements made using Landsat
multispectral scanner (MSS) and thematic mapper (TM) data, for a total recession of 90 m. Ground
measurements showed a total recession of 102-m over that same six-year period (Hall et al., 1992;
Bayr et al., 1994).
Zuo and Oerlemans (1997) used a one-dimensional ice-flow model to conduct a sensitivity
experiment on the Pasterze Glacier and to simulate the ice-front variation. Their results show that
the glacier has been in a non-steady state from about 1826 to the present, and has a volume response
time of 34-50 years. They also projected the behavior of the Pasterze Glacier over the next 100 years
under various climate scenarios. According to their model, by the year 2100, the total recession
could range from 3 to 5 km, with a total loss of ice volume of 40-63%, if the rate of regional climate
warming continues to increase. However, if the future climate remains the same as the mean
condition over the last 30 years, the recession of the glacier will be much less."


http://www.easternsnow.org/proceedings/2001/Hall_1.pdf

 

[Old Rocks]

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20030025392_2003026276.pdf

ABSTRACT
The tongue of the Pasterze Glacier in the eastern Alps of Austria receded more than 1 152
m from 1880 to 200 1. Landsat and Ikonos satellite data from 1976 to 200 1, topographic
maps beginning in 1893 and ground measurements were studied. Results show that
though satellite images significantly underestimate the width of the Pasterze Glacier
tongue due to the presence of morainal material on the surface, they provide an excellent
way to measure the recession of the exposed-ice part of the glacier tongue. The rate of
change of the terminus as determined using satellite data is found to compare well with
ground measurements. Between 1976 and 200 1, Landsat-derived measurements show a
recession of the terminus of the Pasterze Glacier of 479 +113 rn (at an average rate of
18.4 m a-') while measurements from the ground showed a recession of 428 m (at an
average recession of 17.1 m a-I). Ikonos satellite images from 2000 and 200 1 reveal
changes in the exposed ice part of the Pasterze tongue, and a decrease in area of the
exposed ice part of the tongue of 22,096 m2. GPS points and a ground survey of the
glacier terminus in August 200 1 were plotted on a 1 -m resolution Ikonos image, and
showed the actual terminus shape and location. The nearby Kleines FleiDkees glacier lost

Here's another take on it covering just one glacier, but it is representative of the whole. Please note the cyclic advance and retreat. Please also note the time frames in which they occur.

"INTRODUCTION
There has been a general recession of glaciers in the European Alps since the Little Ice Age
ended around 1850, though the recession has been interrupted a few times by brief advances. The
glaciers are receding in response to a regional climate warming.
The Pasterze Glacier is in the Hohe Tauern, a mountain range in the eastern Alps of Austria
where the Johannisberg (3463 m) and Grossglockner (3798 m) mountains are located. The
Grossglockner is the highest peak in Austria from which some tributary glaciers flowing into the
Pasterze. In this paper, we discuss historical ice-front positions of the Pasterze, show satellite
images, and provide measurements of ice-front position changes from ground and satellite data.
BACKGROUND
A major advance of glaciers in the Austrian Alps occurred around 1600. The glaciers remained in
an advanced position, with only small variations for the next 250 years. Most glaciers in the eastern
part of the Alps reached another maximum in the 1770s, and again around 1850. Since then, at the
approximate end of the Little Ice Age, glaciers receded until about 1965, although there were small
readvances between 1890 and 1920. Most of the glaciers stopped advancing in the mid-1980s due to
warm summers and reduced snowfall. In 1988, about 80 percent of the Austrian glaciers were in
1 Code 974, NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Maryland 20771, USA
[email protected]
2 Department of Geography, Keene State College, Keene, New Hampshire 03435-2001USA
3 Code 971, NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD 20771, USA
4 Klimaabteilung , Zentralanstalt für Meteorologie und Geodynamik - ZAMG (Central Institute of
Meteorology and Geodynamics - ZAMG), A-1190 Wien, Hohe Warte 38 (A-1190 Vienna, Hohe Warte
38), Austria
recession (Rott, 1993). Böhm (1986) and Bayr et al. (1994) show that there was a general increase
in average (May through September) temperature and a concurrent decrease in the number of days
between May and September with snowfall since 1886.
There are 925 glaciers with a total area of 542 km2 in the Austrian Alps, only five of which are
larger than 10 km2; the majority is smaller than 1 km2. The Pasterze Glacier is the largest with an
area of 19.8 km2, and a length of 9.2 km in 1969 (Rott, 1993). Between 1979 and 1989, the mean
equilibrium-line altitude (ELA) of the glacier was 2880 m a.s.l. (Zuo and Oerlemans, 1997).
The terminus of the Pasterze Glacier has retreated each year since the winter of heavy snow in
1965-66, the total cumulative recession as measured on the ground being 408 m (Österreichischer
Alpenverein, 1999-2000). Previous work showed that between 1984 and 1990, the terminus of the
glacier receded at an average speed of 15 m year –1 according to measurements made using Landsat
multispectral scanner (MSS) and thematic mapper (TM) data, for a total recession of 90 m. Ground
measurements showed a total recession of 102-m over that same six-year period (Hall et al., 1992;
Bayr et al., 1994).
Zuo and Oerlemans (1997) used a one-dimensional ice-flow model to conduct a sensitivity
experiment on the Pasterze Glacier and to simulate the ice-front variation. Their results show that
the glacier has been in a non-steady state from about 1826 to the present, and has a volume response
time of 34-50 years. They also projected the behavior of the Pasterze Glacier over the next 100 years
under various climate scenarios. According to their model, by the year 2100, the total recession
could range from 3 to 5 km, with a total loss of ice volume of 40-63%, if the rate of regional climate
warming continues to increase. However, if the future climate remains the same as the mean
condition over the last 30 years, the recession of the glacier will be much less."


http://www.easternsnow.org/proceedings/2001/Hall_1.pdf

Since we are continuing to put GHGs into the atmosphere at an ever increasing rate, the conclusion in red will probably happen far sooner than the author estimates.

 

[westwall]

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20030025392_2003026276.pdf

ABSTRACT
The tongue of the Pasterze Glacier in the eastern Alps of Austria receded more than 1 152
m from 1880 to 200 1. Landsat and Ikonos satellite data from 1976 to 200 1, topographic
maps beginning in 1893 and ground measurements were studied. Results show that
though satellite images significantly underestimate the width of the Pasterze Glacier
tongue due to the presence of morainal material on the surface, they provide an excellent
way to measure the recession of the exposed-ice part of the glacier tongue. The rate of
change of the terminus as determined using satellite data is found to compare well with
ground measurements. Between 1976 and 200 1, Landsat-derived measurements show a
recession of the terminus of the Pasterze Glacier of 479 +113 rn (at an average rate of
18.4 m a-') while measurements from the ground showed a recession of 428 m (at an
average recession of 17.1 m a-I). Ikonos satellite images from 2000 and 200 1 reveal
changes in the exposed ice part of the Pasterze tongue, and a decrease in area of the
exposed ice part of the tongue of 22,096 m2. GPS points and a ground survey of the
glacier terminus in August 200 1 were plotted on a 1 -m resolution Ikonos image, and
showed the actual terminus shape and location. The nearby Kleines FleiDkees glacier lost

Here's another take on it covering just one glacier, but it is representative of the whole. Please note the cyclic advance and retreat. Please also note the time frames in which they occur.

"INTRODUCTION
There has been a general recession of glaciers in the European Alps since the Little Ice Age
ended around 1850, though the recession has been interrupted a few times by brief advances. The
glaciers are receding in response to a regional climate warming.
The Pasterze Glacier is in the Hohe Tauern, a mountain range in the eastern Alps of Austria
where the Johannisberg (3463 m) and Grossglockner (3798 m) mountains are located. The
Grossglockner is the highest peak in Austria from which some tributary glaciers flowing into the
Pasterze. In this paper, we discuss historical ice-front positions of the Pasterze, show satellite
images, and provide measurements of ice-front position changes from ground and satellite data.
BACKGROUND
A major advance of glaciers in the Austrian Alps occurred around 1600. The glaciers remained in
an advanced position, with only small variations for the next 250 years. Most glaciers in the eastern
part of the Alps reached another maximum in the 1770s, and again around 1850. Since then, at the
approximate end of the Little Ice Age, glaciers receded until about 1965, although there were small
readvances between 1890 and 1920. Most of the glaciers stopped advancing in the mid-1980s due to
warm summers and reduced snowfall. In 1988, about 80 percent of the Austrian glaciers were in
1 Code 974, NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Maryland 20771, USA
[email protected]
2 Department of Geography, Keene State College, Keene, New Hampshire 03435-2001USA
3 Code 971, NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD 20771, USA
4 Klimaabteilung , Zentralanstalt für Meteorologie und Geodynamik - ZAMG (Central Institute of
Meteorology and Geodynamics - ZAMG), A-1190 Wien, Hohe Warte 38 (A-1190 Vienna, Hohe Warte
38), Austria
recession (Rott, 1993). Böhm (1986) and Bayr et al. (1994) show that there was a general increase
in average (May through September) temperature and a concurrent decrease in the number of days
between May and September with snowfall since 1886.
There are 925 glaciers with a total area of 542 km2 in the Austrian Alps, only five of which are
larger than 10 km2; the majority is smaller than 1 km2. The Pasterze Glacier is the largest with an
area of 19.8 km2, and a length of 9.2 km in 1969 (Rott, 1993). Between 1979 and 1989, the mean
equilibrium-line altitude (ELA) of the glacier was 2880 m a.s.l. (Zuo and Oerlemans, 1997).
The terminus of the Pasterze Glacier has retreated each year since the winter of heavy snow in
1965-66, the total cumulative recession as measured on the ground being 408 m (Österreichischer
Alpenverein, 1999-2000). Previous work showed that between 1984 and 1990, the terminus of the
glacier receded at an average speed of 15 m year –1 according to measurements made using Landsat
multispectral scanner (MSS) and thematic mapper (TM) data, for a total recession of 90 m. Ground
measurements showed a total recession of 102-m over that same six-year period (Hall et al., 1992;
Bayr et al., 1994).
Zuo and Oerlemans (1997) used a one-dimensional ice-flow model to conduct a sensitivity
experiment on the Pasterze Glacier and to simulate the ice-front variation. Their results show that
the glacier has been in a non-steady state from about 1826 to the present, and has a volume response
time of 34-50 years. They also projected the behavior of the Pasterze Glacier over the next 100 years
under various climate scenarios. According to their model, by the year 2100, the total recession
could range from 3 to 5 km, with a total loss of ice volume of 40-63%, if the rate of regional climate
warming continues to increase. However, if the future climate remains the same as the mean
condition over the last 30 years, the recession of the glacier will be much less."


http://www.easternsnow.org/proceedings/2001/Hall_1.pdf

Since we are continuing to put GHGs into the atmosphere at an ever increasing rate, the conclusion in red will probably happen far sooner than the author estimates.

Since we have been putting orders of magnitude MORE GHG's into the atmosphere then even Hansen predicted in his worst fever ridden panic attack, and there has been NO measurable increase in global temps for the last 12 years, I think it's a safe assumption that they have no effect.

But that would be cause and effect, and that is science

 

[RollingThunder]

Here's another take on it covering just one glacier, but it is representative of the whole. Please note the cyclic advance and retreat. Please also note the time frames in which they occur.

"Most of the glaciers stopped advancing in the mid-1980s due to warm summers and reduced snowfall. In 1988, about 80 percent of the Austrian glaciers were in recession (Rott, 1993). Böhm (1986) and Bayr et al. (1994) show that there was a general increase in average (May through September) temperature and a concurrent decrease in the number of days between May and September with snowfall since 1886.

The terminus of the Pasterze Glacier has retreated each year since the winter of heavy snow in 1965-66, the total cumulative recession as measured on the ground being 408 m (Österreichischer Alpenverein, 1999-2000). Previous work showed that between 1984 and 1990, the terminus of the glacier receded at an average speed of 15 m year –1 according to measurements made using Landsat multispectral scanner (MSS) and thematic mapper (TM) data, for a total recession of 90 m. Ground measurements showed a total recession of 102-m over that same six-year period (Hall et al., 1992; Bayr et al., 1994). Zuo and Oerlemans (1997) used a one-dimensional ice-flow model to conduct a sensitivity experiment on the Pasterze Glacier and to simulate the ice-front variation. Their results show that the glacier has been in a non-steady state from about 1826 to the present, and has a volume response time of 34-50 years. They also projected the behavior of the Pasterze Glacier over the next 100 years under various climate scenarios. According to their model, by the year 2100, the total recession could range from 3 to 5 km, with a total loss of ice volume of 40-63%, if the rate of regional climate warming continues to increase. However, if the future climate remains the same as the mean condition over the last 30 years, the recession of the glacier will be much less."

http://www.easternsnow.org/proceedings/2001/Hall_1.pdf

Since we are continuing to put GHGs into the atmosphere at an ever increasing rate, the conclusion in red will probably happen far sooner than the author estimates.

Since we have been putting orders of magnitude MORE GHG's into the atmosphere then even Hansen predicted in his worst fever ridden panic attack, and there has been NO measurable increase in global temps for the last 12 years, I think it's a safe assumption that they have no effect.

But that would be cause and effect, and that is science

It is hilarious that you chose to quote something about the glaciers that doesn't support your specious 'point' but rather does just the opposite. You are such a silly clueless retard.

And of course it is always amusing, walleyed, to hear you prattle about science when you have so often demonstrated quite conclusively that you know nothing about it. Worse than nothing actually since you are so filled with this moronic denier cult misinformation and pseudo-science that 'just ain't so'. Your deranged post here is a good example. All of the world's science agencies who are tracking this are saying that there was indeed a very measurable increase in global temperatures over the last decade (or 12 years if you want). It is only you deluded denier cult fruitcakes who, predictably, deny this observed and measured reality.

NASA Research Finds Last Decade was Warmest on Record, 2009 One of Warmest Years
Jan. 21, 2010
A new analysis of global surface temperatures by NASA scientists finds the past year was tied for the second warmest since 1880. In the Southern Hemisphere, 2009 was the warmest year on record.

In the past three decades, the GISS surface temperature record shows an upward trend of about 0.36 degrees F (0.2 degrees C) per decade. In total, average global temperatures have increased by about 1.5 degrees F (0.8 degrees C) since 1880.

So the average upward temperature trend per decade since 1880 is about 0.11° F and that rate has increased in the last three decades to about a 0.36° F increase per decade. Does that tell you anything, walleyed? It sure does to people with normal intelligence.


On the temperature graph below, notice that every year since 1998 was warmer than any of the years before that except for 2000, which was just slightly cooler than 1997 and 1995 but still the 15th hottest year on record.

While 2010 temperatures makes for headlines, the study of the climate is necessarily focused on multi-decadal trends. A single year can be strongly affected by factors like El Niño events, volcanoes, or other sources of natural variability. Over the course of decades, these factors tend to even out and the underlying trend is evident. As shown in the figure above, Earth has been warming since reliable global temperature records were first available around 1880

source: Yale Climate Forum

 

[westwall]

Since we are continuing to put GHGs into the atmosphere at an ever increasing rate, the conclusion in red will probably happen far sooner than the author estimates.

Since we have been putting orders of magnitude MORE GHG's into the atmosphere then even Hansen predicted in his worst fever ridden panic attack, and there has been NO measurable increase in global temps for the last 12 years, I think it's a safe assumption that they have no effect.

But that would be cause and effect, and that is science

It is hilarious that you chose to quote something about the glaciers that doesn't support your specious 'point' but rather does just the opposite. You are such a silly clueless retard.

And of course it is always amusing, walleyed, to hear you prattle about science when you have so often demonstrated quite conclusively that you know nothing about it. Worse than nothing actually since you are so filled with this moronic denier cult misinformation and pseudo-science that 'just ain't so'. Your deranged post here is a good example. All of the world's science agencies who are tracking this are saying that there was indeed a very measurable increase in global temperatures over the last decade (or 12 years if you want). It is only you deluded denier cult fruitcakes who, predictably, deny this observed and measured reality.

NASA Research Finds Last Decade was Warmest on Record, 2009 One of Warmest Years
Jan. 21, 2010
A new analysis of global surface temperatures by NASA scientists finds the past year was tied for the second warmest since 1880. In the Southern Hemisphere, 2009 was the warmest year on record.

In the past three decades, the GISS surface temperature record shows an upward trend of about 0.36 degrees F (0.2 degrees C) per decade. In total, average global temperatures have increased by about 1.5 degrees F (0.8 degrees C) since 1880.

So the average upward temperature trend per decade since 1880 is about 0.11° F and that rate has increased in the last three decades to about a 0.36° F increase per decade. Does that tell you anything, walleyed? It sure does to people with normal intelligence.


On the temperature graph below, notice that every year since 1998 was warmer than any of the years before that except for 2000, which was just slightly cooler than 1997 and 1995 but still the 15th hottest year on record.

While 2010 temperatures makes for headlines, the study of the climate is necessarily focused on multi-decadal trends. A single year can be strongly affected by factors like El Niño events, volcanoes, or other sources of natural variability. Over the course of decades, these factors tend to even out and the underlying trend is evident. As shown in the figure above, Earth has been warming since reliable global temperature records were first available around 1880

source: Yale Climate Forum

What was that troll? As usual the point being made soared way over your head. Not too surprising. Per the faithful you take a single item that supports your particular religious faith and ignore all else that was said. Someday you might figure it out but I doubt it. The rest of the world has moved on from the AGW dogma.

It is you, and flat earthers like you, that attempt to carry on the faith. Let me know if you meet any worshipers of Ba'al while you're at it.

 

[RollingThunder]

Since we have been putting orders of magnitude MORE GHG's into the atmosphere then even Hansen predicted in his worst fever ridden panic attack, and there has been NO measurable increase in global temps for the last 12 years, I think it's a safe assumption that they have no effect.

But that would be cause and effect, and that is science

It is hilarious that you chose to quote something about the glaciers that doesn't support your specious 'point' but rather does just the opposite. You are such a silly clueless retard.

And of course it is always amusing, walleyed, to hear you prattle about science when you have so often demonstrated quite conclusively that you know nothing about it. Worse than nothing actually since you are so filled with this moronic denier cult misinformation and pseudo-science that 'just ain't so'. Your deranged post here is a good example. All of the world's science agencies who are tracking this are saying that there was indeed a very measurable increase in global temperatures over the last decade (or 12 years if you want). It is only you deluded denier cult fruitcakes who, predictably, deny this observed and measured reality.

NASA Research Finds Last Decade was Warmest on Record, 2009 One of Warmest Years
Jan. 21, 2010
A new analysis of global surface temperatures by NASA scientists finds the past year was tied for the second warmest since 1880. In the Southern Hemisphere, 2009 was the warmest year on record.

In the past three decades, the GISS surface temperature record shows an upward trend of about 0.36 degrees F (0.2 degrees C) per decade. In total, average global temperatures have increased by about 1.5 degrees F (0.8 degrees C) since 1880.

So the average upward temperature trend per decade since 1880 is about 0.11° F and that rate has increased in the last three decades to about a 0.36° F increase per decade. Does that tell you anything, walleyed? It sure does to people with normal intelligence.


On the temperature graph below, notice that every year since 1998 was warmer than any of the years before that except for 2000, which was just slightly cooler than 1997 and 1995 but still the 15th hottest year on record.

While 2010 temperatures makes for headlines, the study of the climate is necessarily focused on multi-decadal trends. A single year can be strongly affected by factors like El Niño events, volcanoes, or other sources of natural variability. Over the course of decades, these factors tend to even out and the underlying trend is evident. As shown in the figure above, Earth has been warming since reliable global temperature records were first available around 1880

source: Yale Climate Forum

What was that troll? As usual the point being made soared way over your head. Not too surprising. Per the faithful you take a single item that supports your particular religious faith and ignore all else that was said. Someday you might figure it out but I doubt it. The rest of the world has moved on from the AGW dogma.

It is you, and flat earthers like you, that attempt to carry on the faith. Let me know if you meet any worshipers of Ba'al while you're at it.

Just the usual non response cloaked in gibberish and irrelevancy that we get from the walleyedretard whenever his denier cult myths get debunked. Which would be every time he posts them since they are all a load of horsecrap. LOLOLOLOL.

 

[Old Rocks]

Ol' Walleyes just cannot keep from repeating 'talking point' lies. It has been cooling since 1998? What the hell are you smoking?

Here is a graph from Dr. Spencer. Note that there are only two very short periods in the last 12 years that were cooler than the highest points prior to 1998 in Dr. Spencer's 13 month running average. Not only that, 2010 tied with 1998.

UAH Global Temperature Update for October 2011: +0.11 deg. C « Roy Spencer, Ph. D.

Of the 144 months in the last 12 years, about 100 have been warmer than the highs prior to 1998. One has to be purposely blind not to see that the last 12 years have not been cooling, but continuing the rapid warming.

And the glaciers, ice caps, and permafrost just keeps right on melting, in spite of Ol' Walleyes yapping.

 

[westwall]

Ol' Walleyes just cannot keep from repeating 'talking point' lies. It has been cooling since 1998? What the hell are you smoking?

Here is a graph from Dr. Spencer. Note that there are only two very short periods in the last 12 years that were cooler than the highest points prior to 1998 in Dr. Spencer's 13 month running average. Not only that, 2010 tied with 1998.

UAH Global Temperature Update for October 2011: +0.11 deg. C « Roy Spencer, Ph. D.

Of the 144 months in the last 12 years, about 100 have been warmer than the highs prior to 1998. One has to be purposely blind not to see that the last 12 years have not been cooling, but continuing the rapid warming.

And the glaciers, ice caps, and permafrost just keeps right on melting, in spite of Ol' Walleyes yapping.

I never said cooling. I said global temps had levelled off. Nice try at prevarication there olfraud but as usual it is you caught in the lie. Are you even capable of telling the truth are are you pathological?

 

[RollingThunder]

Ol' Walleyes just cannot keep from repeating 'talking point' lies. It has been cooling since 1998? What the hell are you smoking?

Here is a graph from Dr. Spencer. Note that there are only two very short periods in the last 12 years that were cooler than the highest points prior to 1998 in Dr. Spencer's 13 month running average. Not only that, 2010 tied with 1998.

UAH Global Temperature Update for October 2011: +0.11 deg. C « Roy Spencer, Ph. D.

Of the 144 months in the last 12 years, about 100 have been warmer than the highs prior to 1998. One has to be purposely blind not to see that the last 12 years have not been cooling, but continuing the rapid warming.

And the glaciers, ice caps, and permafrost just keeps right on melting, in spite of Ol' Walleyes yapping.

I never said cooling. I said global temps had levelled off. Nice try at prevarication there olfraud but as usual it is you caught in the lie. Are you even capable of telling the truth are are you pathological?

What you said, walleyedretard, is this: "there has been NO measurable increase in global temps for the last 12 years" and that is one of your phony denier cult myths. NASA and others science groups have indeed measured the temperature increase over the last "12 years" and there has been about a 0.36° F increase over that time.

These figures are from NASA data of combined land-surface air and sea-surface water temperature anomalies

Temp. anomaly from 1951–1980 mean

1980–1989---------------------+ 0.176 °C (0.317 °F)
1990–1999---------------------+ 0.313 °C (0.563 °F)
2000–2009---------------------+ 0.513 °C (0.923 °F)


I guess you brainwashed, delusional, ideologically blinded denier cult retards will never understand it, no matter how much evidence you're shown.

 

[gslack]

Ol' Walleyes just cannot keep from repeating 'talking point' lies. It has been cooling since 1998? What the hell are you smoking?

Here is a graph from Dr. Spencer. Note that there are only two very short periods in the last 12 years that were cooler than the highest points prior to 1998 in Dr. Spencer's 13 month running average. Not only that, 2010 tied with 1998.

UAH Global Temperature Update for October 2011: +0.11 deg. C « Roy Spencer, Ph. D.

Of the 144 months in the last 12 years, about 100 have been warmer than the highs prior to 1998. One has to be purposely blind not to see that the last 12 years have not been cooling, but continuing the rapid warming.

And the glaciers, ice caps, and permafrost just keeps right on melting, in spite of Ol' Walleyes yapping.

I never said cooling. I said global temps had levelled off. Nice try at prevarication there olfraud but as usual it is you caught in the lie. Are you even capable of telling the truth are are you pathological?

What you said, walleyedretard, is this: "there has been NO measurable increase in global temps for the last 12 years" and that is one of your phony denier cult myths. NASA and others science groups have indeed measured the temperature increase over the last "12 years" and there has been about a 0.36° F increase over that time.

These figures are from NASA data of combined land-surface air and sea-surface water temperature anomalies

Temp. anomaly from 1951–1980 mean

1980–1989---------------------+ 0.176 °C (0.317 °F)
1990–1999---------------------+ 0.313 °C (0.563 °F)
2000–2009---------------------+ 0.513 °C (0.923 °F)


I guess you brainwashed, delusional, ideologically blinded denier cult retards will never understand it, no matter how much evidence you're shown.

Aplogize to Si... You got away without apologizing to me when you made your little remark about my mother, this time you shouldn't.. You should be banned...

 

[RollingThunder]

From yet another part of the world, here are a couple of good photos of a glacier in Alaska taken 63 years apart.

(Photo: Muir Glacier, 1941)

(Photo: Muir Glacier, 2004)

The astonishing recession of the massive Muir glacier is just one example among dozens, causing many scientists to warn of earthquakes triggered by tectonic plates with suddenly lightened loads.

excerpts from Top seven disappearing glaciers

 

[gslack]

TRollingblunder useless POS posting blog style again...

 

[skookerasbil]

Ummmm...........the curious will note that the alarmists keep posting up the same photo's and links over..............and over..............and over..................and over.............on this thread. Its called distraction and it is the way of the far left.

Just take a gandor back in this thread and check out the photo's/links of the Mattherhorn and you realize this alarmist stuff is all a ruse.


Hey gslack............you think Rolling Thunder and Shaman are one in the same with the flowery posts?


gay


Geez.............you talk about cool-aid drinkers. These meatheads really think earthquakes and climate change are related. Pass the Effexor XR.

 

[westwall]

Ol' Walleyes just cannot keep from repeating 'talking point' lies. It has been cooling since 1998? What the hell are you smoking?

Here is a graph from Dr. Spencer. Note that there are only two very short periods in the last 12 years that were cooler than the highest points prior to 1998 in Dr. Spencer's 13 month running average. Not only that, 2010 tied with 1998.

UAH Global Temperature Update for October 2011: +0.11 deg. C « Roy Spencer, Ph. D.

Of the 144 months in the last 12 years, about 100 have been warmer than the highs prior to 1998. One has to be purposely blind not to see that the last 12 years have not been cooling, but continuing the rapid warming.

And the glaciers, ice caps, and permafrost just keeps right on melting, in spite of Ol' Walleyes yapping.

I never said cooling. I said global temps had levelled off. Nice try at prevarication there olfraud but as usual it is you caught in the lie. Are you even capable of telling the truth are are you pathological?

What you said, walleyedretard, is this: "there has been NO measurable increase in global temps for the last 12 years" and that is one of your phony denier cult myths. NASA and others science groups have indeed measured the temperature increase over the last "12 years" and there has been about a 0.36° F increase over that time.

These figures are from NASA data of combined land-surface air and sea-surface water temperature anomalies

Temp. anomaly from 1951–1980 mean

1980–1989---------------------+ 0.176 °C (0.317 °F)
1990–1999---------------------+ 0.313 °C (0.563 °F)
2000–2009---------------------+ 0.513 °C (0.923 °F)


I guess you brainwashed, delusional, ideologically blinded denier cult retards will never understand it, no matter how much evidence you're shown.

Ummm yeah, I think I will take anything they post with a huge grain of salt. They can't seem to take very accurate measurments in some pretty benign areas. They have recorded Longmont CO as having measured temps of -60C!

I don't think Longmont has EVER had that cold a day since man has walked the planet. Maybe a few million years ago, but not within the last 200,000 years for sure. And yet there it is. Several times over. You can put your faith in fantasy readings like that. Or the 600 degree temp they recorded in the Arctic a few times, but I'll stick with reality.

It's what scientists do best. Well, non politically motivated fraud scientists that is.