Values and morals. WTF???

Discussion in 'Religion and Ethics' started by Working Man, Dec 7, 2007.

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    I am sure that America isn't the only country where the media, those who define, Chic, in Vougue, etc.,, celebrate a child molestor's accomplishments (M.J), and, yet, at the same time work hard to defame the Boy Scouts of America and their membership.

    One entity gets sympathy and acclaim, even after admitting sleeping with children, in a questionable way,,, while the other gets attacked, and maimed, in its ability to help young boys turn out to be great men..

    I must be missing something here..:wtf:



    God bless the Scouts, their mission, and their great achievments in this world. (I was never a scout)
     
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    I don't think anyone is going to say that Michael Jackson made bad music simply because he's a wacko... and he is. Nor would I allow any child of mine to hang out with him.

    The fact that, over the years, the scouts have done some good things does not make them immune from discussion about the extremist political policies they seem to have adopted... Same as Michael Jackson having done good music doesn't absolve him from criticism. So I'm not quite sure what your point is other than being ticked off that people don't like the scouts taking the discriminatory positions they do.
     
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    Yes heaven forbid a group with SPECIFIC STATED goals and ideals, designed to work with BOYS and Young Men should actually "GASP" live by those goals and Stated Ideals.

    No Girls allowed? Discrimination. No Gays allowed? Discrimination. Be so kind as to show how those positions are "wacko"

    Last I checked private organizations are FREE to associate with whom EVER they choose. Or shall I sue some Jewish Organization because it won't let a skinhead Neo Nazi in the group? I assume you think the GIRL Scouts should allow Boys to join?
     
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    The difference here is obvious, on the one hand everyone has sinned, on the other hand, discrimination is unacceptable to most Americans. MJ sinned, the Boy Scouts discriminate. America in spite of 'himself,' admires openness and freedom and acceptance. Check out Ellis Island sometime. We are in mind a democracy not an oligarchy.

    Excuse my use of religious analogies and metaphors but they often make the point as they are part of America's social vocabulary.
     
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    I believe I shall sue the NAACP for discrimination, being white they won't let me join and bea leader.
     
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    Heaven forbid indeed if those stated ideals are discriminatory.

    Yes and the city of Pittsburgh is free to not give them free housing if they choose to discriminate. I suspect thats what the uproar is about.
     
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    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9505E2DA123DF931A35756C0A96F958260

    Feel free to sue them for discrimination. Maybe you can claim $250 mil and forget to file papers as well.
     
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    I went to college with a dude whose summer job was a camp counselor at a jewish summer camp. I never realized there were such a thing. On the surface I thought it odd to segregate like that but they didn't prohibit non-jews, rather, it was geared toward that particular culture. Similarly, while I don't agree with a few of their stances, it seems to me that a private organization should be allowed to dictate it's own membership under the first amendment:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    This reminds me of the hooplah involved with All white or all male private golf clubs being forced to integrate. Personally, I don't agree with the ethnic or gender requirements, or in this case sexuality, of each private organization BUT I don't see how the government should have the power to influence the roster of a private organization. The force behind breaking up the status quo should be market forces instead of government intervention. If the PGA lost ad money because a course in their schedule doesn't allow women or blacks then they will react according to market pressure. It doesn't need affirmative action. If our culture REALLY cared about the plight of the gay scoutmaster they can create an alternative. A white dude still will never be the president of the NAACP. A man will never be the president of any prominent woman organization.

    Hell, I loved the scouts as a kid. Regardless, the fact remains that discrimination laws don't include sexuality.


    and yes... despite the travesty that is MJ he still made phenominal music.
     
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    Boy Scouts do not rate free housing anyway, so no problem there.
     

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