Vaccines and Autism - what do you think?

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    So that landmark study linking measles/mumps/rubella and autism is apparently coming under fire. I can't link in here because I'm a new member! But basically the Times of London reported that the data in the study was falsified, which could change a lot for the way we think about this whole debate, which is HUGE in the US and apparently hugest in Hollywood. From a story on findingdulcinea.com:

    "In 1998, a study published in the medical journal The Lancet linked the measles, mumps rubella vaccine to autism. The study, which was based on 12 children, led many parents to forego vaccination to protect their children from autism, and over the last decade, the prevalence of measles has risen worldwide.

    A story published Sunday in the Times of London claims, “In most of the 12 cases, the children’s ailments as described in The Lancet were different from their hospital and GP records.” The article also says several parents raised concerns about their children before getting the MMR vaccine."

    What does everyone think about this? I am frustrated with people like Jenny McCarthy saying her son is "cured" of autism, people like the Travoltas claiming that their son (may he rest in peace) didn't have it, despite outward signs, and people jumping on the bandwagon of the vaccine argument. I feel like the story above isn't getting enough press. I just wanted to throw that out there.

    Liz
     
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    Personally, i think autism is the new A.D.D.

    In our rush to label and pigeon hole children, especially boys, we need to find a culprit for every single odd behavior.

    An awful lot of these "autistic" people are fully functioning and no one would know they have a "disorder' unless it was advertised.

    Hell I'm glad I didn't grow up in an era of labeling as we have now. I was a shy kid who would rather read and I kept to myself so much that i would surely have been labeled autistic as a young boy.

    At another point in my life I surely would have been labeled ADHD because even though i was a very good student, i was also extremely rebellious and a bit of a troublemaker.

    I can only imagine the drugs and therapy i would be subjected to if I were a kid today.
     
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    MMR doctor Andrew Wakefield fixed data on autism - Times Online

     
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    Well, well, well, I agree with you.Thats not to say there is no autism but as you say it is too easily diagnosed.Hell, everybody I know, myself included must be autistic.
     
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    I think a great deal of the MMR scare had to do with the fact that the immunization is given at the 15 to 18 month range which happens to coincide with the developmental stage where children typically show symptoms of developmental delay. Many associated the new symptoms with having just received the MMR vaccine when in fact it was mostly just a coincidence. There is no more mercury in vaccines any more.

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal.htm
     
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    I agree there is often a misconception that every sign of a child's developmental delay is some form of disorder in the "autism spectrum". They are indeed over hyping the diagnosis every time a kid has a speech impediment or a tic of some sort he needs to have "further testing". (cha-ching!)

    But make no mistake, autism is a serious neurological disorder and autism and attention deficit disorder are two entirely different conditions.

    Autism education is key; treating a child with autism is a large effort involving many professionals and non-professionals. autism diagnosis, autism education, autism treatment.
     
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    This story just broke on the NYTimes site:

    Court Says Vaccine Not to Blame for Autism

    By DONALD G. McNEIL Jr.
    Published: February 12, 2009

    In a blow to the movement arguing that vaccines trigger autism, three Federal judges ruled Thursday against all three families in three test cases, all of whom had sought compensation from the Federal vaccine-injury fund.

    Both sides in the debate have been awaiting decisions in these cases since hearings began in early 2007; more than 5,000 similar claims have been filed with the fund.

    These three decisions, each looking into a different theory as to how vaccines might have injured the children, are expected to guide the outcomes of all those claims.

    The judges ruled that the families seeking compensation had not shown that their children’s autism was brought on by the presence of thimerosal, a mercury vaccine preservative, by the weakened measles virus used in the measles/mumps/rubella vaccine, or by a combination of the two.

    For example, in a case pitting the family of Michelle Cedillo, a severely autistic child, against the Federal Department of Health and Human Services, the special master for the U.S. Court of Federal Claims ruled that the Cedillos had “failed to demonstrate that thimerosal-containing vaccines can contribute to causing immune dysfunction, or that the MMR vaccine can contributed to causing either autism or gastrointestinal dysfunction.”

    More on the homepage of the Times...
     
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    My Uncle who is a year older then me (my Grandmother had him late in life, her 8th child), born in 1972, I remember it being questioned so much about his immunization's as to why he was Autistic, so much so, my mother fought to keep my sister and I from getting any when we were young, she had to fight the schools. Basically I remember talk of blame at immunizations for kids way back in the 70's and 80's.

    You cannot communicate or talk to my Uncle, he looks at you with a blank stare and crazy smile, he has no idea where he is at or who we are, who he is. My sister and I had to babysit him on a regular basis, talk about a strange situation. Within this past year, hearing about that certain immunizations may be the cause of autism, I personally would love to find out if it is true or was true, my Grandmother I think blamed herself for her youngest child's disability, until she passed last summer.
     
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    the wonders never cease.

    I am not saying that autism does not exist, i worked with autistic kids and it is very real but calling any minor set of behavior oddities autism is over the top.
     
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    Since the early 90's to now, (which has gotten worse now) too many people and children are being misdiagnosed. I don't believe proper tests are being done. Whether it is depression and all it's forms (manic, bi-polar ect.) or ADD ADHD and Autism. People have been too easily to jump to a conclusion without fully investigating it...and then its like "YOUR depressed' when really it may only be a hormonal imbalance, or "YOUR Autistic" when you just may be really good at one subject (music, books, math) and completely focus on it., or "YOUR ADHD" when really you had too much sugar (diabetic complications) or you have allergies. I think the majority in public will get so sick of this or is getting sick of this,... enough to not give sympathy to those who have these actual disorders, and that is sad to those who really have it, however can't blame them either because enough is enough, cannot 'coin' a disorder because you checked off a 'symptom' sheet at a doctors office, you should do further testing (blood tests, cat scans ect)....be absolutely sure this is what you got or your child has.
     

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