Vaccinations.

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    My 72-year-old memory is a time machine. I find myself in 1955 standing in a long line of children of seven to ten years snaking down the corridor of a local elementary school. There is fear in my heart because I hear screams in the distance.

    Getting closer I see a large-bosomed nurse holding the head of a student tightly to her chest as a doctor plunges the biggest hypodermic needle I’ll ever see deeply into the arm of a struggling recipient. My turn came; it hurt like hell. By the time my wife made that same rite of passage six years later she was painlessly drinking her shot.

    Thanks to Dr. Jonas Salk I have never suffered the ravages of Polio though in my life I have encountered people who did. I am a Baby boomer and I was among the first to benefit from modern medicine. My grandmother, born in the late 1800’s, had thirteen children some of whom didn’t make it. Another scientific savior, Alexander Fleming, made an important observation leading to antibiotics, in particular Penicillin, but many, ill before 1928, succumbed.

    My early classmates and I will be forever grateful to these great men because we were freed from a dastardly lottery of microbiology that could randomly take us at will. But like generations living at the foot of a dormant volcano, some of us have forgotten the past.

    Smallpox eradication was a great human achievement brought about by mass vaccinations and millions of lives have been saved. Unfortunately, though measles has been nearly eradicated from the US for about twenty years, political resistance to vaccines has been rising and measles outbreaks are beginning to re-appear.

    Measles, Mumps, Rubella and Whooping Cough are not political; they are microorganisms that attack children with developing immune systems and they can kill. Salk showed us how to defend against these diseases but unscientific conspiracies are circulating with Luddite libertarianism. The germs are resurging as rights are confused with medical prudence.

    The Autism connection has been debunked by science but it stubbornly persists among some. In addition political parties are playing fast and loose with border security infusing unvaccinated immigrants, both legal and illegal into our communities.

    The microorganisms that cause disease have no politics but they do have an agenda to use our bodies as a host. We are courting disaster. Why would we even wait for that?


    https://hourstv.com/measles-resurges-in-the-united-states/
     
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    It boils down to individual liberty Ray....we've freedom of choice for ourselves....but we're not free to endanger others w/our choice(s)

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    I remember those shots too. I still have a mark on my arm
    I also remember half the class coming down with measles and mumps.

    Twenty years ago, we thought we had eradicated those childhood diseases

    Now, we have parents embracing conspiracy theories and preventable diseases making a comeback
     
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    What I have always wondered about are two things;

    Was the vaccine you took, and your wife took, back in that day, the same as the vaccines that they have available today. I can't find any good information on this. My suspicion is that they are not. I have a sneaking suspicion that they were far safer, profit was not a factor.

    Today's vaccines are mass produced for a world population, with profits in mind, with corner's cut. . . . My belief is they are far more toxic, with many more doses. . . . just a hunch.



    Second, do diseases that aren't highly virulent, that aren't extremely lethal, need vaccines? Or is it better for the human immune system to have some diseases to become experienced at fighting disease? Does every person in society need to live? (I know that sounds heartless, but I have studied evolution a populations, and you need to do this to understand why. .. )

    Are we messing too much with complex systems by introducing too many vaccines? Is too much of a good thing actually poisoning and weakening the species?


    It sounds heartless, but, without a few million deaths here, and a few million deaths there due to the flu, weakness gets bred into the genome.

    What then, genetic engineering to fix the problems?

    These ethical problems and messing with nature give me a headache. It reminds me of the old lady that swallowed a fly. We create something to solve a problem, but now it is creating more problems.
     
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    Immunizations have made massive advances in the last 50 years
    Not even close
     
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    None of you got a vaccination within the first 24 hours of your birth for an STD which completely destroyed your immune system. BTW, that high mortality rate is most definitely connected to vaccines. I came across one of those studies yesterday that put all the facts and figures in by "experts" in that medical field. The Hep vaccine day old infants have been receiving were killing adults when they first came out. Pharm fraudsters later claimed they just were plain wrong about the vaccine killing the ones who first received it and the beat goes on.... and on... and on... until enough of these parents and family members gather together and demand justice for manslaughter at the very least for those involved in vaccine fraud where any death was caused by vaccines.

    The VAER's court expert for the MMR vaccine Zimmerman was dismissed after he learn the connection between the MMR vaccines and Autism. The federal attorneys withheld that information from the courts. Seeing there is most definitely provable fraud in it all y'all may be seeing a whole lot of lawsuits against manufacturers of vaccines.

    Another long term problem vaccine gurus seem to be ignoring is the brain damaged ones that the next generation will need to support and the ones the whole is supporting now. That is unless y'all just plan on mass murder to get rid of the financial burden of having 1 in 10 of the population that has autism and all the others that have long term debilitating conditions. Or perhaps that is some of the staunch pro-vaxxers money train have a plan they think will actually work to keeping going through this fraud being perpetrated on the children and their parents today from mass mandated and recommended vaccination regardless; even if it is the downfall of the nation or not, Greed has a way of doing that to societies throughout history.
    Yes they are much more toxic even than they were in the 1970's.
     
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    Nutjobs like this are why childhood diseases are making a comeback
     
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    There are no childhood diseases making a comeback and pray tell what is your excuse for give a day old baby an STD vaccine?
     
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    Nice job by the anti vaccination crowd

    Here are some diseases we're seeing thanks to anti-vaxxers
     
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