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    What justifies the USraeli alliance? I've recently analyzed several possible reasons and have found them lacking. What are your opinions?
     
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    Not sure what you mean by 'justify'.
    Does the government often justify actions?

    The ME is far easier to control when you have (what some might call) a client-state, one well-armed and ready to use force.
     
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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Someone's on the money today.

    The Usrael (as you put it) alliance is there because of the huge perceived importance of it by the centers of power in America. It has relatively little to do with the lobbyists or the Jews at all, it's a simple matter of maintaining a de-facto Western-Offshoot colonial outpost in the Middle East to help "keep the order," keeping a very credible level of violence to potential rivals in the region. And of course, how can the Israeli government not see the importance of that? The US funnels $3billion every year to it. For every Israeli out there you guys have given Israel $10,000 (and then the same duds who talk about "Socialism" in America defend Israel to the grave, hahahaha the Irony). Yes, it's good to have the Godfather support you with his right hand unconditionally, huh?

    All of this reproduces itself to the Micro level. While America funds its imperial pet, Israel actively gets to COLONIZE the West Bank. A literal and brutal process of imperial expansion simultaneous with an informal system of foreign Imperial control. How delightful.
     
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    Common values? A fellow democracy, besieged by a common enemy? Because the bible says to? Any of those work for you?
     
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    I would say common enemies and common alies.
     
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    :lol:

    DEMOCRACY, eh? Funny, WE here in the US don't hold an ethnic standard to qualify for state based racist policies like israel does. Tell me, what US policy reflects the demographic posturing RIGHT OF RETURN? How many LIEBERMANS, politicians who want an outright PURGE of non-jews, do we elect here in the US?



    "because the bible says so" :rofl: Hey, good thinking making the gentile god JEWISH! Common Enemy? Last I recall ISRAEL has spied on the US more often, LATELY, than Iran or any of your usual scapegoats. COMMON VALUES? Well, I can see how you'd think that this side of manifest destiny and Operation Cast Lead. Hell, how do you say "trail of tears" in hebrew?
     
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    Neither does Israel.

    Again, other democracies like Poland and Greece have right of return laws. I don't see you hurling four letter words at them.
    He hasn't called for a purge. He simply wants Israeli arabs to swear loyalty to the state they live in. I don't think that's a lot to ask, considering that they have far more rights than their follow arabs in any other mideast state (Iraq excepted).

    Maybe you could tell us some other middle eastern country that we should ally with. I mean, does the US share values with Egypt or the Saudis?


    Laugh if you will, there are God-feariong Christians who support Israel for biblical reasons. Just because you don't doesn't make them autmoatically wrong.

    We expel Iranian diplomats all the time. Usually for activities like videotaping Wall street or the Battery tunnel. I do not excuse Israel spying on us, even though we do spy on them.

    Well, maybe you think we share more values with Islamic fundamentalists? :cuckoo:
     
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    Neither does Israel.

    sure they do. How many pieces of evidence do you need to see? Lord fucking knows I could drown you with Lieberman quotes alone.


    Again, other democracies like Poland and Greece have right of return laws. I don't see you hurling four letter words at them.


    uh, POLES IMPORT OTHER POLES FROM OTHER COUNTRIES TO OFFSET NON-POLE POPULATIONS, eh? provide some evidence. I'm calling your bluff.


    He hasn't called for a purge. He simply wants Israeli arabs to swear loyalty to the state they live in. I don't think that's a lot to ask, considering that they have far more rights than their follow arabs in any other mideast state (Iraq excepted).


    no, he wants them to swear loyalty to a JEWISH STATE of israel. And, you'd think a lot different if you were forced to swear loyalty to a ARYAN STATE OF THE UNITED STATES. Indeed, those slave state ******* should have enjoyed slavery because they weren't having to run from a hungry tiger, right dude? :lol: :cuckoo: Arabs should be HAPPY to live in the shadow of jews, RIGHT BUDDY?


    Maybe you could tell us some other middle eastern country that we should ally with. I mean, does the US share values with Egypt or the Saudis?


    NO one says we are required to ally ourselves with ANYONE from ANYWHERE. And, again, we don't share your values, racist. THE US would not treat jews like israel treats arabs.


    Laugh if you will, there are God-feariong Christians who support Israel for biblical reasons. Just because you don't doesn't make them autmoatically wrong.


    Oh I'm well aware of that. I'm also well aware that it desn't take much for dogma junkies to rationalize violence in the name of. Hell, from Koresh to Jim Jones you aren't doing anything that other manipulating nutters haven't done in the past.

    and yes, when you rationalize racism there and villify it here you are automatically wrong. Read and good David Duke quotes lately, zionist?



    We expel Iranian diplomats all the time. Usually for activities like videotaping Wall street or the Battery tunnel. I do not excuse Israel spying on us, even though we do spy on them.



    OF COURSE you dont. sure, dude. I BELIEVE YOU. I mean, you ONLY tried to pint a finger at iranian diplomats with a fucking camcorder as if it relieves the Pollards of israel! :rofl:




    Well, maybe you think we share more values with Islamic fundamentalists? :cuckoo:


    This is not an "either/or" equation. The US is not forces to hold your hand just because we don't see eye to eye with muslim nations. And, this really is the core of the issue, WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO VALIDATE YOUR RACIST SHIT JUST BECAUSE YOU NEED A PANT LEG TO HIDE BEHIND WHEN ACTING LIKE A BRAVE KLANSMAN BEHIND THE MASK OF YOUR PROTECTOR WHILE CAST LEADING CIVILIAN POPULATIONS.

    for christs fucking sake you'd defend a fucking lynching of an arab if you thought someone might criticize a jew.
     
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    His quotes are a whole lot better than Hamas/Hizbullah/Iran/etc.



    Oh, so that's why Jews move to Israel? Not because they believe it's their ancestral homeland or because the bible says to?

    Oh, the horror! :cuckoo:

    No, we're not required to. We do so out of choice. With countries that we share interests or values with.
    I just got here. How do you know I'm a racist?


    Israel treats arabs pretty good, actually.

    Ah. So any Christian who supports Israel is like Jim Jones? Generalize much?

    I would be happy to comment on this if I could understand it.


    I'm not a fan of Pollard. He got life, he should do life. End of story.

    About the Iranians obviously you have nothing to say.
    I have the mental image of you shouting at the computer screen and spittle flying out of your mouth. :lol:
     
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    IsraHell is a failed fascist state on life support from the US.
     

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