USMB liberal Obots react to newly-revealed facts about Obamacare

[daveman]

So what?

He lied.

How did his lying about a blow job cost one American life or cause anyone other than Ms. Lewinsky any trouble?

I would think the thousands ofpeople who died because Bush lied or was mistaken or whatever sad excuse you want to come up with is a lot more serious.

Clinton lied, but no one died.

"I would think..." Maybe it's time you started.

Nice personal insult.

But which is worse.

President A lies about getting a blow job.

President B lies about the reason for getting us into a war that kills 5000 Americans and 100,000 Iraqis.

Please tell me, in a moral sense, which is worse?

In a moral sense, both are equally reprehensible.

I know, the answer you want is "The Democrat's lies are always okay".

 

[SFC Ollie]

A lie is still a lie.

But has it ever been proven that Bush lied? Or did he believe the intel he had? The rest of the world pretty much believed it, and Saddam admitted that he wanted Iran to believe it....

But then, they've claimed bush lied so many times it must be the truth, even without proof.

We don't need to show proof that Obama lied...It's as clear as a sunshiny day

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What I remember from the Clinton Years is the biggest Crisis we had was the guy lied about getting a blow job.

Which is a lot less serious than lying about why we went into a war that cost us 5000 lives and a trillion dollars.

Is that because the only thing you think about is sex?

Says the crazy person who puts a chick in a bikini in his icon?

Doesn't answer the question, does it?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Isn't China stealing all our jobs now?

Actually, the trend was for jobs to move from China to the US because of changing economic conditions and consumer demand.

At least it was before Obama got into office and tanked the recovery. That actually slowed the shift, but it is still happening despite his best efforts to stifle it.

Horseshit.

Free trade was always about breaking the American Middle Class.

Why we were dumb enough to go along with it is the real question.

Yeah, it is all one big conspiracy to destroy the middle class by making them richer.

 

[JoeB131]

Actually, the trend was for jobs to move from China to the US because of changing economic conditions and consumer demand.

At least it was before Obama got into office and tanked the recovery. That actually slowed the shift, but it is still happening despite his best efforts to stifle it.

Horseshit.

Free trade was always about breaking the American Middle Class.

Why we were dumb enough to go along with it is the real question.

You're not very experienced in the world, Joe. The American Middle Class lives better than Royalty in 9/10s of the world. Let's take you around the world, so you'll know:

You were saying about America's poor..... that free trade was breaking the American Middle Class...?​

I don't think so.

Okay, your Poverty Porn Aside, I don't aspire to still be better off than m ost of the third world.

We were before Reagan and the other idiots broke the middle class.

I want us to be what we were with a vibrant middle class. We aren't that anymore and we haven't been in some time.

To brag the Plutocrats haven't driven us to that level of destitution (don't worry, the fuckers are REALLY TRYING HARD!!!!) is nothing to be proud of.

 

[JoeB131]

Actually, the trend was for jobs to move from China to the US because of changing economic conditions and consumer demand.

At least it was before Obama got into office and tanked the recovery. That actually slowed the shift, but it is still happening despite his best efforts to stifle it.

Horseshit.

Free trade was always about breaking the American Middle Class.

Why we were dumb enough to go along with it is the real question.

Yeah, it is all one big conspiracy to destroy the middle class by making them richer.

Except they aren't.

 

[JoeB131]

"I would think..." Maybe it's time you started.

Nice personal insult.

But which is worse.

President A lies about getting a blow job.

President B lies about the reason for getting us into a war that kills 5000 Americans and 100,000 Iraqis.

Please tell me, in a moral sense, which is worse?

In a moral sense, both are equally reprehensible.

I know, the answer you want is "The Democrat's lies are always okay".

That really has to be the most inane thing you've said yet.

I honestly think the lie that kills 5000 people is a little better than the lie that protects someone's reputation.

 

[007]

 

[JoeB131]

A lie is still a lie.

But has it ever been proven that Bush lied? Or did he believe the intel he had? The rest of the world pretty much believed it, and Saddam admitted that he wanted Iran to believe it....

But then, they've claimed bush lied so many times it must be the truth, even without proof.

We don't need to show proof that Obama lied...It's as clear as a sunshiny day

Or maybe Obama really believed that the Insurance Industry would keep its word and would comply with the law if he didn't push for a public option to compete with them. (which would completely solved this mess a lot easier.)

He believed the assurances he had.

The problem with giving Bush the excuse was that a lot of people who were experts on this, such as Hans Blix, Mohammed el-Baradei and Scott Ritter, all said that after years of looking into this, they doubted Saddam had WMD's.

But Bush didn't care about the truth, dammit. He was going to get Saddam no matter what.

 

[007]

A lie is still a lie.

But has it ever been proven that Bush lied? Or did he believe the intel he had? The rest of the world pretty much believed it, and Saddam admitted that he wanted Iran to believe it....

But then, they've claimed bush lied so many times it must be the truth, even without proof.

We don't need to show proof that Obama lied...It's as clear as a sunshiny day

Or maybe Obama really believed that the Insurance Industry would keep its word and would comply with the law if he didn't push for a public option to compete with them. (which would completely solved this mess a lot easier.)

He believed the assurances he had.

The problem with giving Bush the excuse was that a lot of people who were experts on this, such as Hans Blix, Mohammed el-Baradei and Scott Ritter, all said that after years of looking into this, they doubted Saddam had WMD's.

But Bush didn't care about the truth, dammit. He was going to get Saddam no matter what.

BS... obama promised the insurance companies millions of new young people signing up because he was going to FORCE them. The plan back fired, now the insurance companies are LOSING money, people are being kicked off their plans, and new people signing up on exchanges is a pathetic dribble.

Barry lied, the ACA is train wreck, but as the true blue, good little leftard trooper you are, you will defend it right up to the absolute bitter end...

 

[jon_berzerk]

A lie is still a lie.

But has it ever been proven that Bush lied? Or did he believe the intel he had? The rest of the world pretty much believed it, and Saddam admitted that he wanted Iran to believe it....

But then, they've claimed bush lied so many times it must be the truth, even without proof.

We don't need to show proof that Obama lied...It's as clear as a sunshiny day

Or maybe Obama really believed that the Insurance Industry would keep its word and would comply with the law if he didn't push for a public option to compete with them. (which would completely solved this mess a lot easier.)

He believed the assurances he had.

The problem with giving Bush the excuse was that a lot of people who were experts on this, such as Hans Blix, Mohammed el-Baradei and Scott Ritter, all said that after years of looking into this, they doubted Saddam had WMD's.

But Bush didn't care about the truth, dammit. He was going to get Saddam no matter what.

BS... obama promised the insurance companies millions of new young people signing up because he was going to FORCE them. The plan back fired, now the insurance companies are LOSING money, people are being kicked off their plans, and new people signing up on exchanges is a pathetic dribble.

Barry lied, the ACA is train wreck, but as the true blue, good little leftard trooper you are, you will defend it right up to the absolute bitter end...

those that are signing up are the ones who are entitled to the expanded medicaid

--LOL

 

[007]

Or maybe Obama really believed that the Insurance Industry would keep its word and would comply with the law if he didn't push for a public option to compete with them. (which would completely solved this mess a lot easier.)

He believed the assurances he had.

The problem with giving Bush the excuse was that a lot of people who were experts on this, such as Hans Blix, Mohammed el-Baradei and Scott Ritter, all said that after years of looking into this, they doubted Saddam had WMD's.

But Bush didn't care about the truth, dammit. He was going to get Saddam no matter what.

BS... obama promised the insurance companies millions of new young people signing up because he was going to FORCE them. The plan back fired, now the insurance companies are LOSING money, people are being kicked off their plans, and new people signing up on exchanges is a pathetic dribble.

Barry lied, the ACA is train wreck, but as the true blue, good little leftard trooper you are, you will defend it right up to the absolute bitter end...

those that are signing up are the ones who are entitled to the expanded medicaid

--LOL

Exactly... they have the time to sit around all day on the computer because they're unemployed, so they're one of the few lucky ones to navigate through a horrendously fucked up website, when it's up, and actually sign up because they'll be the ones to get subsidized... society's parasites... democrat voters.

 

[Geaux4it]

Horseshit.

Free trade was always about breaking the American Middle Class.

Why we were dumb enough to go along with it is the real question.

Yeah, it is all one big conspiracy to destroy the middle class by making them richer.

Except they aren't.

Indeed- Oabummer has done a terrific job at making the wealthy more rich after convincing his stupid cult following that they were evil.

-Geaux

 

[jon_berzerk]

BS... obama promised the insurance companies millions of new young people signing up because he was going to FORCE them. The plan back fired, now the insurance companies are LOSING money, people are being kicked off their plans, and new people signing up on exchanges is a pathetic dribble.

Barry lied, the ACA is train wreck, but as the true blue, good little leftard trooper you are, you will defend it right up to the absolute bitter end...

those that are signing up are the ones who are entitled to the expanded medicaid

--LOL

Exactly... they have the time to sit around all day on the computer because they're unemployed, so they're one of the few lucky ones to navigate through a horrendously fucked up website, when it's up, and actually sign up because they'll be the ones to get subsidized... society's parasites... democrat voters.

yes but it shoots the program in the foot once again

 

[007]

those that are signing up are the ones who are entitled to the expanded medicaid

--LOL

Exactly... they have the time to sit around all day on the computer because they're unemployed, so they're one of the few lucky ones to navigate through a horrendously fucked up website, when it's up, and actually sign up because they'll be the ones to get subsidized... society's parasites... democrat voters.

yes but it shoots the program in the foot once again

Indeed... it's doomed to fail, no if's, ands or buts about it.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Yeah, it is all one big conspiracy to destroy the middle class by making them richer.

Except they aren't.

Indeed- Oabummer has done a terrific job at making the wealthy more rich after convincing his stupid cult following that they were evil.

-Geaux

the divide will only get bigger at this rate

it is not the big guy that gets hurt

in a regulatory nightmare

they can absorb it and over come it

it is the little guy that gets wiped out

we will see the same thing with the little guy

with obama care

he will have barely enough money to make the insurance premium cost

but not enough to pay for a doctor visit

great work barry

--LOL

 

[SFC Ollie]

A lie is still a lie.

But has it ever been proven that Bush lied? Or did he believe the intel he had? The rest of the world pretty much believed it, and Saddam admitted that he wanted Iran to believe it....

But then, they've claimed bush lied so many times it must be the truth, even without proof.

We don't need to show proof that Obama lied...It's as clear as a sunshiny day

Or maybe Obama really believed that the Insurance Industry would keep its word and would comply with the law if he didn't push for a public option to compete with them. (which would completely solved this mess a lot easier.)

He believed the assurances he had.

The problem with giving Bush the excuse was that a lot of people who were experts on this, such as Hans Blix, Mohammed el-Baradei and Scott Ritter, all said that after years of looking into this, they doubted Saddam had WMD's.

But Bush didn't care about the truth, dammit. He was going to get Saddam no matter what.

After years........... but bush was supposed to know what no one else knew........
you guys just won't give up..........

 

[daveman]

Nice personal insult.

But which is worse.

President A lies about getting a blow job.

President B lies about the reason for getting us into a war that kills 5000 Americans and 100,000 Iraqis.

Please tell me, in a moral sense, which is worse?

In a moral sense, both are equally reprehensible.

I know, the answer you want is "The Democrat's lies are always okay".

That really has to be the most inane thing you've said yet.

I honestly think the lie that kills 5000 people is a little better than the lie that protects someone's reputation.

In God's eyes they're equal.

You cannot understand that, and will predictably lash out with abuse.

Guaranteed.

 

[daveman]

A lie is still a lie.

But has it ever been proven that Bush lied? Or did he believe the intel he had? The rest of the world pretty much believed it, and Saddam admitted that he wanted Iran to believe it....

But then, they've claimed bush lied so many times it must be the truth, even without proof.

We don't need to show proof that Obama lied...It's as clear as a sunshiny day

Or maybe Obama really believed that the Insurance Industry would keep its word and would comply with the law if he didn't push for a public option to compete with them. (which would completely solved this mess a lot easier.)

He believed the assurances he had.

The problem with giving Bush the excuse was that a lot of people who were experts on this, such as Hans Blix, Mohammed el-Baradei and Scott Ritter, all said that after years of looking into this, they doubted Saddam had WMD's.

But Bush didn't care about the truth, dammit. He was going to get Saddam no matter what.

After years........... but bush was supposed to know what no one else knew........
you guys just won't give up..........

Their claims to the moral high ground are laughable.

They would have gladly consigned any number of Iraqis to death, torture, and oppression at Saddam's hands if it meant Bush not getting his way.

 

[JoeB131]

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In God's eyes they're equal.

You cannot understand that, and will predictably lash out with abuse.

Guaranteed.

Any God with that kind of fucked up value system isn't really worthy of anyone's worship.

You know, before I chucked Religion out the Window, the Catholics used to teach morality by grading how much an action harmed people.

So who was harmed by Clinton's lie?

Monica Lewinsky? Not really. I'm sure she was never happy with the circus Ken Starr turned her life into.

Hillary? Maybe, although her relationship with Bill has always been built on kind of ignoring his shenanigans. So maybe, if you stretch it, TWO people who were harmed in non-fatal ways by his lie.

Okay, now Bush's lie.

Who was harmed by that.

Well, 5000 American troops killed. ANother 32,000 who came back without limbs, eyes, were horrifically scared or suffered traumatic brain or pychological injury.

That doesn't even get into the 100,000 - 600,000 Iraqis who died in that conflict.



Yeah, I really think Bush's lie is kind of worse...

But you're right. I'm not an imaginary sky man who thinks slavery is nifty but picking up sticks on the Sabbath is worthy of getting you killed.

I actually apply common sense standards to things.