USA Greatest Nation!?! More like UK!

[BillBryson]

You're wrong about Commies believing all men are equal.

Human rights & equal rights have absolutely nothing to do with Communism.

I see the stretch you're trying to make, but you're completely off base.

To say that Equal Rights stems from Communism is completely preposterous..

As a social system, communism is a type of egalitarian society with no state, no private property and no social classes. In communism, all property is owned by the community as a whole, and all people enjoy equal social and economic status. Perhaps the best known principle of a communist society is "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need".

Seems pretty equal to me, I don't think anyone is saying that equal rights stem from communism but it is a Communist principle.

From Dictionary.com

A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.

 

[NightTrain]

Seems pretty equal to me, I don't think anyone is saying that equal rights stem from communism but it is a Communist principle.

I believe it was you that inferred it :

One question I do have is this constitution where it saids "all men are created equal" (unless you're black) sounds rather Communist to me is it not?

No, it doesn't. You're the first person that I've ever seen that claims the American ideal that "All men are created equal" was inspired by Communism.

Another question I have for you, Bill, where do you get the idea that blacks are not created equal in the USA? A black has exactly the same rights that I, as a white man enjoy.

 

[drac]

To say that Equal Rights stems from Communism is completely preposterous.

i did not say that, my point was that those principles are part of communist ideas as well

 

[BillBryson]

I believe it was you that inferred it :



No, it doesn't. You're the first person that I've ever seen that claims the American ideal that "All men are created equal" was inspired by Communism.

Another question I have for you, Bill, where do you get the idea that blacks are not created equal in the USA? A black has exactly the same rights that I, as a white man enjoy.

You seem to misunderstand my post, I'm not saying it was inspired by Communism, especially as Communism arrived after the consitution. I'm saying "All men are created equal" is a Communist belief which America whom are renoudly anti Communist, share.

My point about the blacks, refers to segregation, racism & slavery before the 50s & in the case of racism still in some places today, all the while the constitution was in existance. So this clause was flouted for hundreds of years but the imfamous "right to bare arms" portion is sacredly guided.

 

[NightTrain]

You seem to misunderstand my post, I'm not saying it was inspired by Communism, especially as Communism arrived after the consitution. I'm saying "All men are created equal" is a Communist belief which America whom are renoudly anti Communist, share.

It's probably a Klingon principle, too.

My point about the blacks, refers to segregation, racism & slavery before the 50s & in the case of racism still in some places today, all the while the constitution was in existance. So this clause was flouted for hundreds of years but the imfamous "right to bare arms" portion is sacredly guided.

What personal first hand experience with rascism in America do you base this on? You've never been to America, have you?

I wonder, Billy boy, did England ever practice slavery? Hmmm?

This has as much relevance as the practice of human sacrifice your country practiced in the past. Or how you got your asses kicked by Vikings. Or how you treated the Romans when they wanted a piece of your action.

We're all well aware of our history. We strive to continually improve this country, and I think we've done a damn good job thus far.

As far as the 2nd Amendment, the right to keep and bear arms has been under assault from liberals for many years now. Although it says this right "...shall not be infringed" on, it has indeed been infringed upon.

 

[Trigg]

From your last comment it appears that aren't very intelligent to be blunt. First of all the countries of the UK, British Isles have been existance for thousands of years way before Roman times with the Bronze age etc. While the USA has only existed for a few hundred years so the idea that your History is larger is ridiculous! And what I find to be really funny is that you say it hasn't any acheivements! We created Canada, Austraillia & New Zealand as new nations & more importantly USA!?! So you've really shot yourself in the foot there, I would of thought that to be one of the greatest acheivements of all time in your book

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This whole argument about who's better is completely childish. Each country has done stupid things in the past and both countries have done great things.

The only argument I can see is where you claim England created Canada, Austrailia, New Zealand and the USA. Being that my family is Cherokee Indian I'd like to point out that there were already great civilizations in all of those countries, England managed to almost kill off the indiginous people in each of those counties. I certainly wouldn't call that an acheivement.

 

[Patriot]

This whole argument about who's better is completely childish. Each country has done stupid things in the past and both countries have done great things.
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Spoken like a true, goody two shoes, cant we all just get along, fence sitter.

Funny how you fail to grasp the fact that England would cease to exist if it weren't for America and that fact trumps any "sameness" both countries ever had.


We have to bail damn near every country out, from the bowels of hell and the grips of extermination only to have sorry ass, butt hurt, jealous mother fuckers, trample all over our wonderful unselfishness. I dont see any other country in the world giving more lives to others in the pursuit of happiness.


If America called in all the debts owed to her, EVERY damn country would become third world countries without a pot to piss in. So for every pisser who complains about America or wants to "compare" her they have nothing coming. PERIOD!

 

[manu1959]

if you think england is so great move there and shut up

 

[MadMax]

if you think england is so great move there and shut up

I believe Ms. Bryson lives there already. Thank GOD we broke ranks from these blokes!!!

 

[TheEnemyWithin]

Hi, just an interesting thread on hearing people's views as to why USA is the greatest nation in the world, I personally think it could be after Britain. Considering our proud history of glory & innovation, industrial revolution, British Empire, & numerous inventions. While USA with slavery, great depression while they were vital to both world wars they did enter a bit late so the UK was at the fore front of defending western freedoms. So while now America is the more powerful & wealthier nation today in context the UK has made an excellent impact with so much power & achievement by a tiny little island.
The other thing I don't understand is this "greatest democracy" after 2000, Florida it seems quite clear to nearly all Europeans that America' is ruled by rich select sponsored by massive business (both parties). I'm not anti American & I'm sure there are exceptions to all of my statements but generally I think I have been neutral & look forward to your replies.



Thanks
Mike


God Bless... The Queen

Very interesting, Mike. First, I have nothing against the UK except the liberals in it. I've gotta give England some credit because if you guys didn't exist, neither would we (if you know your history.) I'm saying that AT THE MOMENT, the USA is still the greatest. Come on, all nations have their "golden ages", everybody else just has to live with it. While most other nations have or are considering having "socialized" medical care, ours, while expensive, is still the best. Canadians fly like freaking geese into Detroit and NYC for cancer treatment that their rationing doctors can't provide. And we have the best president too. Bush rocks.

The Spread of Freedom

This nation... Freed this nation...
England none
France none
Spain Mexico
Russia Uzbekistan
USA South Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Cuba... ...Philipines

 

[BillBryson]

Spoken like a true, goody two shoes, cant we all just get along, fence sitter.

Funny how you fail to grasp the fact that England would cease to exist if it weren't for America and that fact trumps any "sameness" both countries ever had.


We have to bail damn near every country out, from the bowels of hell and the grips of extermination only to have sorry ass, butt hurt, jealous mother fuckers, trample all over our wonderful unselfishness. I dont see any other country in the world giving more lives to others in the pursuit of happiness.


If America called in all the debts owed to her, EVERY damn country would become third world countries without a pot to piss in. So for every pisser who complains about America or wants to "compare" her they have nothing coming. PERIOD!

Ok well its even more funny to see that the USA of today would of never existed without us. You could all be speaking French now. While this stupid rubbish about WW2, both the Americans & British died for the good cause of ridding Europe of nazism. Only we lost millions of more lives, our cities were bombed & the whole population lived in feared. On top of this there were food rations & whole families dying in the blitz.
By the time America enter the war both the Allies & Axis powers were drained & so this fresh force gave the allies an edge. If the UK hadn't been so resilient the USA would of struggled to enter Europe with the Russains unlikely to aid you, & the UK wouldn't of pushed back the Nazi nuke.
So America's contribution in WW2 was just as vital as the British & yes you helped save the UK but then are earlier efforts were essential to America's future security. Personally I wouldn't go up to an Italian, Egyptian etc. & say we saved them so now they're eternally in my debt.

 

[BillBryson]

if you think england is so great move there and shut up

Where do you think I live!?!

 

[BillBryson]

This whole argument about who's better is completely childish. Each country has done stupid things in the past and both countries have done great things.

Fine, if its that simple try arguing Germany or Russia are the greatest nations of all time. See its not that clear cut!

 

[BillBryson]

It's probably a Klingon principle, too.



What personal first hand experience with rascism in America do you base this on? You've never been to America, have you?

I wonder, Billy boy, did England ever practice slavery? Hmmm?

This has as much relevance as the practice of human sacrifice your country practiced in the past. Or how you got your asses kicked by Vikings. Or how you treated the Romans when they wanted a piece of your action.

We're all well aware of our history. We strive to continually improve this country, and I think we've done a damn good job thus far.

As far as the 2nd Amendment, the right to keep and bear arms has been under assault from liberals for many years now. Although it says this right "...shall not be infringed" on, it has indeed been infringed upon.

Nope, I have never been to the USA, oh no wait I've been there loads of times. One thing that I have seen first hand time & time again is the prejudice agaisnt the Mexicans who dare to go to SW. America. No one there seems to realise that it was all Mexican originally anyway!!

I wouldn't down play slavery & racism personally. And yes the USA has strived & improved very welll on the back of slavery, well done!

The last time that any Briton was able to enslave africans for the Americans was 1807. God knows how long Britain itself has been free of slavery, proberly Roman times.

I'm pretty confident that you no sod all about the Vikings or the Romans & their pratices or the history in general.

 

[BillBryson]

The Spread of Freedom

This nation... Freed this nation...
England none
France none
Spain Mexico
Russia Uzbekistan
USA South Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Cuba... ...Philipines

The countries Spain & Russia freed the 2 nations mentioned by giving freedom to their former territory in which case the UK has 70+ territories which granted freedom to.

 

[BillBryson]

To the persons who have the wacky idea that Britain is a socialist country, from 1948 to 1960 the UK fourght Communists like our Veitnam war only difference being that we won. Now Malayasia has the tallest skyscrapers in the world an embodiment of capitalism. Britain also gave birth to other pinical Capitalist nations such as Singapore & Hong Kong.

 

[Trigg]

Fine, if its that simple try arguing Germany or Russia are the greatest nations of all time. See its not that clear cut!

I'm not trying to argue any country is greatest, it's childish.

You did fail to respond to my saying that Britain didn't "create" New Zealand, Australia, US or Canada. They already had civilizations there, all Enland did was try to wipe out the indiginous people. I said this wasn't much of an accomplishment. Australia was started as a penal colony.

 

[Trigg]

The last time that any Briton was able to enslave africans for the Americans was 1807. God knows how long Britain itself has been free of slavery, proberly Roman times.

I'm pretty confident that you no sod all about the Vikings or the Romans & their pratices or the history in general.

The british didn't need to import slaves, they already had serfs working on the land and totally dependent on the Lord in the manor house. England was a very class system and these people had vertually no way to improve their lot in life since they were denied an education.

The US still has problems with racism, I'm not going to argue that with you, but England isn't innocent either when you look at the history books.

 

[BillBryson]

They already had civilizations there, all Enland did was try to wipe out the indiginous people. I said this wasn't much of an accomplishment. Australia was started as a penal colony.

England didn't aim to wipe out the locals, instead the settlers or collonists did. England if anything acted to restrain them, thats why the American Indians suffer more than the other nations as there were no one to restrain them. I'm not making excuses & I acknowledge mistakes were made as well however this is commonly recognised by historians in the field. While I meant Britain created the nations we know now. USA only came about because of Britain for which we eternally apologise.

 

[BillBryson]

The british didn't need to import slaves, they already had serfs working on the land and totally dependent on the Lord in the manor house. England was a very class system and these people had vertually no way to improve their lot in life since they were denied an education.

The US still has problems with racism, I'm not going to argue that with you, but England isn't innocent either when you look at the history books.

Surfdom existed in all European countries & was due to America's unique birth that they escaped it which perhaps is why slaves were used to fill that gap. However being a surf is nothing in comparison to being a slave they weren't work to death etc. They had a hard working life, a job garunteed & weren't able to leave their master's land. This was durring medieval times so way before America.