USA - Divide & Conquer

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    hmm .. and I am not talking about other nations. I am talking about right here at home. Republicans, Democrats, Neocons, Liberals .. All are but labels upon us. We are truly infinite beings behind eyes that have a tough time seeing past the illusion and consequently take them as real. But wait, what does this have to do about politics .. well the politicians know this to be true and divide us and keep us quarreling so that they can push any agenda through that they want. Bush is a puppet, and the United States of Advertising is now a country of fear - fear of Big Brother and fear of Little Brother - those "normal, average" people who run around telling people what true freedom is and how others should lead their lives. Yeah I hear you - keep spouting off all these chants of fighting for FREEDOM, FREEDOM, FREEDOM - and then go pass the Patriot Act, ban gay marriage, end women's choice, etc etc etc which take away that which you just yelled about till your face was red. True freedom is the freedom to do anything as long as it doesn't impose upon others that right.
     
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    Not a bad start infinite. welcome to the boards.
     
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    Patriot Act - I'm not worried too much for the terrorists losing their freedom. I still don't see the average citizen losing any freedoms here at all.

    ban gay marriage - Many believe, as do I, that this is harmful to society. It degrades and lessens heterosexual marriage. Gay's have the very freedoms of heterosexuals - to marry someone of the opposite sex.

    end women's choice - And what about the freedom of the child? Women have the freedom to get pregnant, with that comes responsibility.
     
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    BTW, as DK stated, welcome to the board. :)
     
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    This country or the world for that matter should never be made of one mind that all agree. Everyone is different and that is what makes the world go around.
    You say Bush is a Puppet, of course he is, just as any president is really. Bush/Clinton/Kennedy, you name them all. They don't make a dec. without the backup of the senate and congress...They are the true choice makers here..so it makes no difference who holds office in that reguard.

    Labeling. Everyone is labeled in some for or another. Your Chinese, your black, your poor, your white trash...a way of life.

    Freedom. Ask anyone and their idea of freedom is different. To me, freedom is not having the federal government in charge of every aspect of your life. Freedom is to be able to make your own mistakes and pay for them yourself.

    People need to be different, what a boring as hell world this would be if everyone thought like you...or me....
     
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    I, personally, don't see how gays and lesbians could possibly screw it up anymore than we hetero's already have.
     
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    I would actually prefer the whole world be of one mind when it's comes to freedom and individual rights. The arguments against individual rights come from those who are jealous and seek power through using government to redistribute wealth, according their selfish social agenda. Libs fear a meritocracy.
     
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    Just because marriage already has it's faults doesn't mean adding fuel to the fire is harmless. That's like saying "Our government is already screwed up, voting for Donald Duck can't be any worse".
     
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    Scrooge McDuck is the Ben Stein of the cartoon world.
     
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    Hmm, interesting response jimnyc .. and yes I know the meaning of "freedom" is different for everyone, but what word doesn't have a different meaning for everyone. The point is I refuse to be part of a country where the meaning of freedom has been skewed to "you are free to do what we say" end of the spectrum. As long as I am not treading on other people's natural human rights (life, liberty, pursut of happiness), I should be free to do as I please..

    Gay Marriage - Like DKSuddeth said, the state of hetero marriage is pretty screwed up. This "sacred promise" has lost all true meaning and turned into ceremonial tradition, a best. If thats where's its heading - fine! Cultural traditions/expressions/etc are just as prone to evolution as anything else. Why not let gays have the right to divorce to?

    Abortion - Is not going to end. Whether its legal or girls have to run around looking for the nearest coat hanger (which they will do, which they do already!), abortion will not end. I believe its a matter of choice, a matter of conscience. If you believe they will go to hell for their actions, fine; if you believe it is that much of a moral hot point, fine - let them make that choice! And if you think you are doing God's work by fighting this abortion thing - why not go out and adopt one of the thousands of babies that dies everyday due to having no home of their own.

    Patriot Act - I've heard that argument a lot - if you're not a terrorist there's no need to fear. And maybe you're right, which you're not - this is just another step closer for the government (remember What About Bob - BABY STEPS!), except it does limit our freedoms and we should resist anything that does. There will always be terrorist acts (a true terrorist act is immediate, unidentifiably). Any "war on terrorism" is an effort that will go to no ends to stop personal freedom - as thats truthfully the power of "terrorism" - the ability of humans to find a way to defy conventional power structure.
     

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