US to Veto Palestinian Bid for State

Jillian you don't think this has anything to do with the democrats losing another seat in congress? Thats the first thing I thought of even before I openned the thread. obama's past words an action are now 180 in the other direction. I hope this is not just some politically motivated action on obama's account.
 
That the US is setting itself up for total humiliation at the UN is further proof that Pro-Israel's control the US Government.

Pro Israel is pro American. Socialist bankrupt backward shitholes like spain are irrelevant in the world. Spain produces only olive oil :lol:

Admiral Mike Mullen, Chairman US Joint Chiefs of Staff, Reaffirms Strong US--Israeli Bond in Visit To Israel.
I have frequently spoken and met with my counterpart, General Ashkenazi, and that relatonship [with Israel] is a critical relationship that I cherish, as I do and we do from the United States to Israel to the People of Israel.

There's literally not a day that I don't think of you and your countrymen. I'd like to raise a glass to both our countries, to both our militaries and to great success in the future. The closeness of our two countries has never been more important. You're a very special group of people
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4tEpFH3kDA]Admiral Mike Mullen Reaffirms Strong U.S.-Israeli Bond in Visit to Israel - YouTube[/ame]
 
Jillian you don't think this has anything to do with the democrats losing another seat in congress? Thats the first thing I thought of even before I openned the thread. obama's past words an action are now 180 in the other direction. I hope this is not just some politically motivated action on obama's account.

As of Tuesday, prior to the election results in NY9, the Saudi's were already threatening the U.S. over the impending veto. Accoding to the article, the saudi threat was made on the 12th. See article:

Saudi Threatens U.S. Over Palestinian Statehood Veto | Swampland | TIME.com

his words and actions weren't a deviation from the policies we've always stated we support. (notwithstanding the neocon hysteria). and, honestly, israel has been pretty much allowed to do what it wants unlike under each president bush and president clinton.

so..... perhaps we need to start actually questioning the repetition of that assertion

if obama's middle name weren't hussain, the cairo speech would have been viewed as a pefect affirmation of U.S. mid east policy. where he went wrong was not welcoming netanyahu with open arms when he first came here. *that* caused more of a perception problem than anything else. on the other hand, netanyahu was pretty disresectful to him, too. so there ya go.
 
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if obama's middle name weren't hussain, the cairo speech would have been viewed as a pefect affirmation of U.S. mid east policy.

US foreign policy to support backward, repressive, jihadist Arab Muslim cesspools is "perfect"?

where he went wrong was not welcoming netanyahu with open arms when he first came here. *that* caused more of a perception problem than anything else. on the other hand, netanyahu was pretty disresectful to him, too. so there ya go.

How about Obama visiting Israel once? Good start?:clap2:
 
if obama's middle name weren't hussain, the cairo speech would have been viewed as a pefect affirmation of U.S. mid east policy.

US foreign policy to support backward, repressive, jihadist Arab Muslim cesspools is "perfect"?

where he went wrong was not welcoming netanyahu with open arms when he first came here. *that* caused more of a perception problem than anything else. on the other hand, netanyahu was pretty disresectful to him, too. so there ya go.

How about Obama visiting Israel once? Good start?:clap2:

the cairo speech was a great speech. it did nothing that you said.

you mean visiting israel like this?

obama_in_israel_pic_3.jpg


and now i'm going to say what i said to my friend Jroc. we all agree the veto is a good thing. so why be a putz and make it a neocon rant?
 
the cairo speech was a great speech. it did nothing that you said.

Obama's Cairo speech was a disaster. He immediately lost Arab Muslim respect by dissing Bush, a cultural no-no, and he dissed the Israelis by by-passing them

you mean visiting israel like this?

Obama has never visited Israel while president, dink.

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we all agree the veto is a good thing
Good for Israel or good for USA?

That the US is setting itself up for total humiliation at the UN is further proof that Pro-Israel's control the US Government.
It will accelerate US's decline in this region and it will show the last "USA friends" where USA really stands whilst preaching 2-state solution and "leading" no-result talks between Palestinians and Israelis for decades.
Member of Royal Saudi-Family wrote in NYT that if USA vetoes the Palestinian Statehood Saudi-Arabia will quit cooperation with USA in areas of Afghanistan and Yemen and will pursue an independent foreign policy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/opinion/veto-a-state-lose-an-ally.html
Saudi-Arabia is trendsetter for the other GCC countries.

If USA (Obama) can veto against Palestinian State then USA surely can also handle the backlash from such a vote.
 
we all agree the veto is a good thing
Good for Israel or good for USA?

That the US is setting itself up for total humiliation at the UN is further proof that Pro-Israel's control the US Government.
It will accelerate US's decline in this region and it will show the last "USA friends" where USA really stands whilst preaching 2-state solution and "leading" no-result talks between Palestinians and Israelis for decades.
Member of Royal Saudi-Family wrote in NYT that if USA vetoes the Palestinian Statehood Saudi-Arabia will quit cooperation with USA in areas of Afghanistan and Yemen and will pursue an independent foreign policy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/opinion/veto-a-state-lose-an-ally.html
Saudi-Arabia is trendsetter for the other GCC countries.

If USA (Obama) can veto against Palestinian State then USA surely can also handle the backlash from such a vote.

when are you turks coming back to Israel for more drones and military training?
Turkish Military Delegation In Israel For Drone Deal - International Middle East Media Center
 
"If the US chooses to fly in the face of world opinion and block the Palestine UN bid next week, not only will Israel become more isolated but tensions in the region will be heightened even more," said the China Daily.

"The majority of the international community deems an independent state as the inalienable right of the Palestinians,
China paper warns US against Palestinian UN veto - Yahoo! News
 
we all agree the veto is a good thing
Good for Israel or good for USA?

That the US is setting itself up for total humiliation at the UN is further proof that Pro-Israel's control the US Government.
It will accelerate US's decline in this region and it will show the last "USA friends" where USA really stands whilst preaching 2-state solution and "leading" no-result talks between Palestinians and Israelis for decades.
Member of Royal Saudi-Family wrote in NYT that if USA vetoes the Palestinian Statehood Saudi-Arabia will quit cooperation with USA in areas of Afghanistan and Yemen and will pursue an independent foreign policy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/opinion/veto-a-state-lose-an-ally.html
Saudi-Arabia is trendsetter for the other GCC countries.

If USA (Obama) can veto against Palestinian State then USA surely can also handle the backlash from such a vote.

Still pissed at the US for condemning Turkey for the Turks' role in the genocide of a million Armenians? Over Turkish protests, House panel calls killing of Armenians 'genocide'

And, the US calling Turkey out for its massive human rights violations...

US criticizes 'human rights violations' in Turkey
Unlawful killings, poor prison conditions, excessively long trials and limits on freedom of expression are among the alleged human-rights violations in Turkey that the U.S. State Department denounced in a recent report.

“Security forces committed unlawful killings; the number of arrests and prosecutions in these cases was low compared to the number of incidents, and convictions remained rare,” the State Department said late Friday in the section devoted to Turkey in its annual report on the status of human rights throughout the world.

U.S. officials also commented on the recent arrests of Turkish journalists, which came too late to be included in this report, saying they would be monitored and addressed in next year’s survey.

During the year human-rights organizations reported cases of torture, beatings and abuse by security forces. Prison conditions improved but remained poor, with overcrowding and insufficient staff training,” the State Department said in its 2010 human-rights report.

“The overly close relationship between judges and prosecutors continued to hinder the right to a fair trial. Excessively long trials were a problem. The government limited freedom of expression through the use of constitutional restrictions and numerous laws,” the State Department said.

“Press freedom declined during the year. There were limitations on Internet freedom. Courts and an independent board ordered telecommunications providers to block access to Web sites on numerous occasions,” it said in the report. “Violence against women, including honor killings and rape, remained a widespread problem.”

US criticizes 'human rights violations' in Turkey - Hurriyet Daily News

Looks like you have enough shit going on in Turkey to be worrying about the Pals.
 
"If the US chooses to fly in the face of world opinion and block the Palestine UN bid next week, not only will Israel become more isolated but tensions in the region will be heightened even more," said the China Daily.

No love for the nice Muslims oppressed in your racist third world spain? The same spain that slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Muslims in the Reconquest. Nice spaniards.

European Agency For Human Rights: High Levels of Discrimination Against Muslims in Spain
The European Agency for Human Rights has issued a report which names Spain as one of the countries where there is most discrimination against Muslims. The report reveals that one in three Muslims in Europe has been the victim of discrimination, but in Spain the percentage increases to 40%.

13% of the Muslims in Spain said they had suffered discrimination last year when they wanted to buy or rent property, but they feel most under attack in the area of legal questions and policing, 43% claimed they had been stopped by the Spanish police over the past 12 months.
Many times they make no official complaint, because they believe nothing will come of it.

High levels of discrimination against Muslims in Spain
 
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the cairo speech was a great speech. it did nothing that you said.

Obama's Cairo speech was a disaster. He immediately lost Arab Muslim respect by dissing Bush, a cultural no-no, and he dissed the Israelis by by-passing them

you mean visiting israel like this?

Obama has never visited Israel while president, dink.

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neocons lack understanding, so the rants and raves from the far right really don't impress me much.

as for visting while president.....

you didn't specify, did you?

and had he gone, you'd have whined that he was pandering.

once again... can't you just say you agree with this?
 
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the cairo speech was a great speech. it did nothing that you said.

Obama's Cairo speech was a disaster. He immediately lost Arab Muslim respect by dissing Bush, a cultural no-no, and he dissed the Israelis by by-passing them

you mean visiting israel like this?

Obama has never visited Israel while president, dink.

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neocons lack understanding, so the rants and raves from the far right really don't impress me much.

as for visting while president.....

you didn't specify, did you?

and had he gone, you'd have whined that he was pandering.

That is correct---when the person you vote for doesn't win, you rag the guy who did win.
Boring but it's what Americans do.
 
but bush/cheney... there are WMD's in Iraq.. did?

:rofl:

Take it up with Bubba Clinton and Shrillary and oh hell, all the fuckwad liberal Democratics in Congress and anybody else who read the intel -- BEFORE W got elected even.

you aren't smart enough to understand that things changed over time?

when the last report of hans blix was published, he was begging the u.s not to invade iraq because it was stupidity and there wen't any wmd's...

but you know that, or we'd have found them, right?

now... how much money have we spent there over the last 10 years?

good job!!!
 

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