US sees profit from TARP bailout

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By Zachery Kouwe
NY Times

updated 4:55 a.m. ET, Mon., Aug 31, 2009
Nearly a year after the federal rescue of the nation’s biggest banks, taxpayers have begun seeing profits from the hundreds of billions of dollars in aid that many critics thought might never be seen again.

The profits, collected from eight of the biggest banks that have fully repaid their obligations to the government, come to about $4 billion, or the equivalent of about 15 percent annually, according to calculations compiled for The New York Times.

These early returns are by no means a full accounting of the huge financial rescue undertaken by the federal government last year to stabilize teetering banks and other companies.

The government still faces potentially huge long-term losses from its bailouts of the insurance giant American International Group, the mortgage finance companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and the automakers General Motors and Chrysler. The Treasury Department could also take a hit from its guarantees on billions of dollars of toxic mortgages.

Welcome surprise
But the mere hint of bailout profits for the nearly year-old Troubled Asset Relief Program has been received as a welcome surprise. It has also spurred hopes that the government could soon get out of the banking business.
“The taxpayers want their money back and they want the government out of our banking system,” Representative Jeb Hensarling, a Texas Republican and a member of the Congressional Oversight Panel examining the relief program, said in an interview.

Profits were hardly high on the list of government priorities last October, when a financial panic was in full swing and the Treasury Department started spending roughly $240 billion to buy preferred shares from hundreds of banks that were facing huge potential losses from troubled mortgages. Bank stocks began teetering after Lehman Brothers collapsed and the government rescued A.I.G., and fear gripped the financial industry around the world.

American taxpayers were told they would eventually make a modest return from these investments, including a 5 percent quarterly dividend on the banks’ preferred shares and warrants to buy stock in the banks at a set price over 10 years.

But critics at the time warned that taxpayers might not see any profits, and that it could take years for the banks to repay the loans.

As Congress debated the bailout bill last September that would authorize the Treasury Department to spend up to $700 billion to stem the financial crisis, Representative Mac Thornberry, Republican of Texas, said: “Seven hundred billion dollars of taxpayer money should not be used as a hopeful experiment.”
So far, that experiment is more than paying off. The government has taken profits of about $1.4 billion on its investment in Goldman Sachs, $1.3 billion on Morgan Stanley and $414 million on American Express. The five other banks that repaid the government — Northern Trust, Bank of New York Mellon, State Street, U.S. Bancorp and BB&T — each brought in $100 million to $334 million in profit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/business/economy/31taxpayer.html

Link Sources as per the regulations. - KK
 
So far, that experiment is more than paying off. The government has taken profits of about $1.4 billion on its investment in Goldman Sachs, $1.3 billion on Morgan Stanley and $414 million on American Express. The five other banks that repaid the government — Northern Trust, Bank of New York Mellon, State Street, U.S. Bancorp and BB&T — each brought in $100 million to $334 million in profit.

By the way, has our government taken ANY steps to regulate these idiots concerning the Credit Default Swaps that got them into this mess in the first place?
 
Good job by Bush. Nearly a year after the federal rescue of the nation’s biggest banks, taxpayers have begun seeing profits from the hundreds of billions of dollars in aid that many critics thought might never be seen again.

Bullshit.

That information can not be independently verified.

President Andrew Jackson was in the same predicament but told the bankers to go fuck themselves.

""Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time, and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal God, I will rout you out."

~ President Andrew Jackson 1832

Contrast the words of President Andrew Jackson who had a strong moral compass and a firm grasp of right and wrong to the words of our current President, George W. Bush.
 
Bullshit.

That information can not be independently verified.

Verified by who??

You can't admit that the bailout actually worked and the banks paid us back. Your defense is to cover your eyes, put your head in the sand and go into denial mode
 
Umm, yeah, "verified" by who?

Profits are profits. Go and look em up.

Looks like Bush did something right. ROFL. I'll give him credit for it.

And I've got to tell you, that's a very surprising thing for me to say, I never give Bush credit for anything.

And all the Dems in congress that supported his move deserve some credit too I guess.

Of course, all the Republicans were completely against the Bailouts.
 
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Good job by Bush. Nearly a year after the federal rescue of the nation’s biggest banks, taxpayers have begun seeing profits from the hundreds of billions of dollars in aid that many critics thought might never be seen again.

Bullshit.

That information can not be independently verified.

President Andrew Jackson was in the same predicament but told the bankers to go fuck themselves.

""Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time, and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal God, I will rout you out."

~ President Andrew Jackson 1832

Contrast the words of President Andrew Jackson who had a strong moral compass and a firm grasp of right and wrong to the words of our current President, George W. Bush.

And his refusal to sign the bill to renew the charter of the Bank of the United States resulted in the rise of wildcat banking, causing the Panic of 1837.
 
Keep in mind where we were before the TARP bailouts.
The financial community was in a panic, the stock market lost 50% of its value, no loan money was available..... we were borderline depression if something wasn't done

The government, by stepping in to shore up the banks, returned confidence to the market and saved us from a complete economic collapse.

I'm willing to give Bush credit on this....he coordinated with President-elect Obama who supported him and helped get bi-partisan support.

To the republicans who voted against it and still oppose it.......... :funnyface:
 
Of course no right-wingers are going to provide any kind of input on this thread, besides some obscure reference to Andrew Jackson apparently...

They don't have any talking points for this. LOL.

We'll have to keep bumping it to keep it alive.
 
lol! Why should i believe anything they say at this point? The same people who trashed our economy are still running things. Are you really so sure that the same people who destroyed our economy are going to be the same people to fix it? Just sounds like another gigantic scam to me. That's why i say that Hopey Changey is merely George Bush on Steroids at this point. He just took all of George Bush's awful inventions like "Stimulus Packages" and simply made them much much worse. I just can't believe anything from them at this point. Until corrupt cretins like Chris Dodd,Barney Frank,and Ben Bernanke are held accountable,i'm just not buying anything they're selling. :(
 
lol! Why should i believe anything they say at this point? The same people who trashed our economy are still running things. Are you really so sure that the same people who destroyed our economy are going to be the same people to fix it? Just sounds like another gigantic scam to me. That's why i say that Hopey Changey is merely George Bush on Steroids at this point. He just took all of George Bush's awful inventions like "Stimulus Packages" and simply made them much much worse. I just can't believe anything from them at this point. Until corrupt cretins like Chris Dodd,Barney Frank,and Ben Bernanke are held accountable,i'm just not buying anything they're selling. :(


LOL

A second right winger comes in with a defense of denial it exists and conspiracy
 
lol! Why should i believe anything they say at this point? The same people who trashed our economy are still running things. Are you really so sure that the same people who destroyed our economy are going to be the same people to fix it? Just sounds like another gigantic scam to me. That's why i say that Hopey Changey is merely George Bush on Steroids at this point. He just took all of George Bush's awful inventions like "Stimulus Packages" and simply made them much much worse. I just can't believe anything from them at this point. Until corrupt cretins like Chris Dodd,Barney Frank,and Ben Bernanke are held accountable,i'm just not buying anything they're selling. :(

Who exactly are the "People who trashed our economy" that are "still running things"?

As far as I'm aware, very few of the architects of the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, which de-regulated markets and essentially caused a majority of the economic issues that we have seen over the past few years, are currently "running things".

After all, it was the CFMA act that legalized "Credit Default Swaps", and allowed massive amounuts of speculation to happen in "Dark Markets".

And who was in charge of both houses of congress when they made this law?

Certainly Mr Obama is not one of the people who "Trashed our economy", even by the furthest stretch of the imagination.
 
Although the architect of the CFMA was John McCain's chief financial advisor during his presidential campaign, but McCain lost.
 
Gee go figure,now the Socialists are suddenly the corrupt corporate a*sholes' biggest cheerleaders. Could it be because they are the corrupt corporate a*sholes now? They already thoroughly raped the American taxpayer to bail these corrupt cretins out so i guess now it's time for them to get their pom poms out and begin cheerleading for these corrupt cretins. Yup now the Socialists suddenly adore Wall Street. What a scam. :(
 
Gee go figure,now the Socialists are suddenly the corrupt corporate a*sholes' biggest cheerleaders. Could it be because they are the corrupt corporate a*sholes now? They already thoroughly raped the American taxpayer to bail these corrupt cretins out so i guess now it's time for them to get their pom poms out and begin cheerleading for these corrupt cretins. Yup now the Socialists suddenly adore Wall Street. What a scam. :(

Your post makes no sense.
 
You Socialists are the corrupt corporate a*sholes now. You raped the American taxpayer to bail your corrupt corporate cretins out so now you are them at this point. It's all just one gigantic scam in the end. You own em so now you're their biggest cheerleaders. How can you be trusted at this point? Why should we believe you? You're part of the problem not the solution. :(
 
You Socialists are the corrupt corporate a*sholes now. You raped the American taxpayer to bail your corrupt corporate cretins out so now you are them at this point. It's all just one gigantic scam in the end. You own em so now you're their biggest cheerleaders. How can you be trusted at this point? Why should we believe you? You're part of the problem not the solution. :(

Have you been drinking?
 
Really, one should pay no attention to "Lib-Now" he made no sense on the MSNBC boards, and seems to be just as incomprehensible here.

If I can try to follow his line of "thought", I believe he's trying to say that because we like getting a profit out of taxpayer investments, we are therefore "corporate shills", and have abandoned what he perceives to be out basic principles, which in his opinion is of course to "rip off the taxpayer".
 
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