US Seeks To Imprison Single Mother

[Conspiracist]

Curve, I admire your dedication to this subject. It's actually tiring but still. I don't know your personal situation but if you have ever worked for a company or what have ya for a living you have most certainly seen people let go or fired for things certain others get away with frequently.

There was a guy that was late nearly everyday and continued on being late while watching others get fired for the very same thing with fewer offenses. Someone brought this to the owner's attention and he looked into it and it turned out the reports only showed he had been late once. Turns out, he was fucking the human resource manager.

Shit like this situation you are bringing up happens all the time. There is no stopping it because we are all human and, thank God are not all the same, so we all deal with situations differently. Life is not fair. Your girl was not accountable when she needed to be and that's that. I hope you keep us informed on the final outcome.

Imagine if all humans were the same and all like that Yukon guy.

 

[Gem]

Not to mention the fact that Pagan was given 15 months to come up with a viable FPC and did not do so...

Maybe the military has decided that giving its soldiers years in which to come up with a plan that they were already supposed to have in the first place doesn't work when that person has already decided that they are going to use their children as an excuse to not deploy.

I think that in both cases these women should have received "other-than-honorable" or "dishonorable" discharges from the Army. They signed up knowing the rules. I'm sorry to get exasperated here, Curvelight, but it isn't a scrapbooking club, its the United States Army during a time of war, for Christ's sake.

The military gives people housing, utilities paid, college education, a decent salary, healthcare for their entire family, and the promise of being able to retire with a pretty fantastic pension after 20 years. What other job can promise that you'll be able to retire in fairly comfortable means at age 38? And what they ask in return is that while you serve, you follow your orders...show up when you're supposed to...and you plan accordingly so that your family is taken care of when you deploy. Could you die in service to your nation? Absolutely. But the military doesn't hide this fact...and the statistics indicate that the chances of you doing so are very unlikely. If you don't like the risk...don't sign up. But these women did.

It sounds like a pretty good deal to me. So I can understand why the military gets a bit frustrated at cases like these.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Personally, I am very grateful that the military gave an undereducated and naive young man like me the opportunity to grow up, achieve increasingly levels of responsibility, serve my country, love my flag, and to pay for an education that includes two graduate degrees.

 

[CurveLight]

Not to mention the fact that Pagan was given 15 months to come up with a viable FPC and did not do so...

Maybe the military has decided that giving its soldiers years in which to come up with a plan that they were already supposed to have in the first place doesn't work when that person has already decided that they are going to use their children as an excuse to not deploy.

I think that in both cases these women should have received "other-than-honorable" or "dishonorable" discharges from the Army. They signed up knowing the rules. I'm sorry to get exasperated here, Curvelight, but it isn't a scrapbooking club, its the United States Army during a time of war, for Christ's sake.

The military gives people housing, utilities paid, college education, a decent salary, healthcare for their entire family, and the promise of being able to retire with a pretty fantastic pension after 20 years. What other job can promise that you'll be able to retire in fairly comfortable means at age 38? And what they ask in return is that while you serve, you follow your orders...show up when you're supposed to...and you plan accordingly so that your family is taken care of when you deploy. Could you die in service to your nation? Absolutely. But the military doesn't hide this fact...and the statistics indicate that the chances of you doing so are very unlikely. If you don't like the risk...don't sign up. But these women did.

It sounds like a pretty good deal to me. So I can understand why the military gets a bit frustrated at cases like these.

That is painting a misleading picture of my position. I've clearly stated several times I understand the situation in that it is the military, and more so than some realize. I know what it's like to see people renege on their contract and watched it happen while in a combat theatre.

I've simply been pointing out that she did her job and achieved an approved FCP and when it fell through the military gave conflicting reactions and ultimately a ridiculous draconian measure. Yes, it is ridiculous to give her a courts martial because her mom backed out at the last minute and those alt options were effectively the same as foster care. A 30 day extension would have accomplished:

The ability to see if she was scapegoating.

Sent a message that while the military is not the boy scouts it is also not so void of humanity it fails to understand shit happens.

She could have spent time with the new caregivers and introduced her son to them so she would not have had to deploy wondering who was caring for him. Imao
, it would have been the best resolution.

All this courts martial does is give Hutchinson's attorney great ammo for the courtroom. A reneged extension, filing charges two months after the fact, and a list of cases for precedence are all a good recipe for battling the courts martial. If it does proceed I wonder if her lawyer will go with her to afghanistan or if JAG allows an exception and has the courts martial in Georgia. The location could play a role in the outcome.

 

[Yukon]

Personally, I am very grateful that the military gave an undereducated and naive young man like me the opportunity to grow up, achieve increasingly levels of responsibility, serve my country, love my flag, and to pay for an education that includes two graduate degrees.

That being said you are still undereducated and naive and certainly have not grown up.

 

[CurveLight]

Curve, I admire your dedication to this subject. It's actually tiring but still. I don't know your personal situation but if you have ever worked for a company or what have ya for a living you have most certainly seen people let go or fired for things certain others get away with frequently.

There was a guy that was late nearly everyday and continued on being late while watching others get fired for the very same thing with fewer offenses. Someone brought this to the owner's attention and he looked into it and it turned out the reports only showed he had been late once. Turns out, he was fucking the human resource manager.

Shit like this situation you are bringing up happens all the time. There is no stopping it because we are all human and, thank God are not all the same, so we all deal with situations differently. Life is not fair. Your girl was not accountable when she needed to be and that's that. I hope you keep us informed on the final outcome.

Imagine if all humans were the same and all like that Yukon guy.

Of course favoritism exists but try to understand my referencing of similar situations is not core evidence to defend my position but only in response to those arguing since it is the military it is cut and dry. They taken a hard line stance so I showed the military is not nearly as consistent as they are claiming and that claim of consistency is a fundamental root of their position. Showing the inconsistency damages their argument about it being the military.

I think if any soldier does what she did by having an FCP and follows through but the third party failed at the last minute then the military should grant one 30 day extension.

 

[CurveLight]

Personally, I am very grateful that the military gave an undereducated and naive young man like me the opportunity to grow up, achieve increasingly levels of responsibility, serve my country, love my flag, and to pay for an education that includes two graduate degrees.

That being said you are still undereducated and naive and certainly have not grown up (menatlly).

I bet he's smart enough not to lose a wink of sleep over your personal assessment of him.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Sounds like dating...

Remind me why short-term relationships ('prostitution') are illegal again.

Sorry not following you

He's equating dating with prostitution and I can only suspect that's because it's the only dating experiences he has had. Probably a lot like Steve Buscemi's character in Fargo.

Classical American serial dating is ritualized prostitution

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Should unmarried fathers be processed out of the military?

If it interferes with their ability to fill their COMMITMENT to the military then ABSOLUTELY YES!!!

By the way Curve are you on here 24/7?

Try to pay attention instead of answering questions that were not asked.

He(?) answered your question.


Not his fault you're stupid.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

I never claimed to have any level of critical thinking skills

Saved for posterity.
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[CurveLight]

Sorry not following you

He's equating dating with prostitution and I can only suspect that's because it's the only dating experiences he has had. Probably a lot like Steve Buscemi's character in Fargo.

Classical American serial dating is ritualized prostitution

Instead of dropping all that cash on "long distance" calls and "escorts" you should use some of it to hire a dating trainer because, as big of a shock as this is, the world invariably operates on many different levels and myriad tones beyond the vision in your mind.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

As her attorney points out there are several available means to resolve the situation. I can't fault her for not leaving with no where for her son to go that she would be confident.
Army charges single mom who refused deployment

She knew the law when she signed up and when she got pregnant.

It sucks and I feel bad for the lady but she should have waited till her contract with the military was up before having a child.

 

[CurveLight]

As her attorney points out there are several available means to resolve the situation. I can't fault her for not leaving with no where for her son to go that she would be confident.
Army charges single mom who refused deployment

She knew the law when she signed up and when she got pregnant.

It sucks and I feel bad for the lady but she should have waited till her contract with the military was up before having a child.

That's glossing right over the fact she had an approved FCP and followed through on it. I find it hard to believe no one here has ever missed a deadline due to actions of others that were out of their control. She made the deadline by flying her son to Cally a month before deployment. This whole cyborg resistance is futile approach is a bit freaky.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

As her attorney points out there are several available means to resolve the situation. I can't fault her for not leaving with no where for her son to go that she would be confident.
Army charges single mom who refused deployment

She knew the law when she signed up and when she got pregnant.

It sucks and I feel bad for the lady but she should have waited till her contract with the military was up before having a child.

That's glossing right over the fact she had an approved FCP and followed through on it. I find it hard to believe no one here has ever missed a deadline due to actions of others that were out of their control. She made the deadline by flying her son to Cally a month before deployment. This whole cyborg resistance is futile approach is a bit freaky.

Can you elaborate a little more for me Curve. I'm flexible on this if you can provide me with more information. I'll help

What was the Approved FCP?
What is the cyborg resistance is futile approach you are talking about?

I have missed a deadline before due to circumstances that were out of my control and I accepted the punishment I was handed for missing that deadline (I was 10 min late for court because of construction I didn't know about and ended up losing my liscense for 30 days...granted this is not the same as this lady AT ALL but still I took responsibility for not being where I was supposed to be when I was supposed to be there).

Give me some reasoning, help change my mind.

 

[CurveLight]

She knew the law when she signed up and when she got pregnant.

It sucks and I feel bad for the lady but she should have waited till her contract with the military was up before having a child.

That's glossing right over the fact she had an approved FCP and followed through on it. I find it hard to believe no one here has ever missed a deadline due to actions of others that were out of their control. She made the deadline by flying her son to Cally a month before deployment. This whole cyborg resistance is futile approach is a bit freaky.

Can you elaborate a little more for me Curve. I'm flexible on this if you can provide me with more information. I'll help

What was the Approved FCP?
What is the cyborg resistance is futile approach you are talking about?

I have missed a deadline before due to circumstances that were out of my control and I accepted the punishment I was handed for missing that deadline (I was 10 min late for court because of construction I didn't know about and ended up losing my liscense for 30 days...granted this is not the same as this lady AT ALL but still I took responsibility for not being where I was supposed to be when I was supposed to be there).

Give me some reasoning, help change my mind.

FCP=Family Care Plan as outlined in Chp 5 of AR 600-20. It basically states single parents arrange for child care during deployment. This soldier followed that regulation and her superiors approved the plan. They even gave her a few days leave to fly her son home one month before the Unit Deployment date. At this point she is in compliance with the regulations. Roughly two weeks before deployment her child was returned to her because her mom could not take care of him for a full year as she anticipated. As soon as the soldier found out she informed her superiors who granted her an extension at that time. However, on the eve of Unit Deployment her superiors changed their mind and told her she would have to deploy as scheduled anyways. How the events unfolded is crucial. (Imagine the court granting you a waiver only to be pulled over for a traffic violation and find out your license is suspended after all. And your example isn't really a good one. You should have given more time to get to the courthouse.)

The military was legit to offer her the extension but then (imao) fucked up when they reneged the day before. There is no reason she could not have had the extension.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

That's glossing right over the fact she had an approved FCP and followed through on it. I find it hard to believe no one here has ever missed a deadline due to actions of others that were out of their control. She made the deadline by flying her son to Cally a month before deployment. This whole cyborg resistance is futile approach is a bit freaky.

Can you elaborate a little more for me Curve. I'm flexible on this if you can provide me with more information. I'll help

What was the Approved FCP?
What is the cyborg resistance is futile approach you are talking about?

I have missed a deadline before due to circumstances that were out of my control and I accepted the punishment I was handed for missing that deadline (I was 10 min late for court because of construction I didn't know about and ended up losing my liscense for 30 days...granted this is not the same as this lady AT ALL but still I took responsibility for not being where I was supposed to be when I was supposed to be there).

Give me some reasoning, help change my mind.

FCP=Family Care Plan as outlined in Chp 5 of AR 600-20. It basically states single parents arrange for child care during deployment. This soldier followed that regulation and her superiors approved the plan. They even gave her a few days leave to fly her son home one month before the Unit Deployment date. At this point she is in compliance with the regulations. Roughly two weeks before deployment her child was returned to her because her mom could not take care of him for a full year as she anticipated. As soon as the soldier found out she informed her superiors who granted her an extension at that time. However, on the eve of Unit Deployment her superiors changed their mind and told her she would have to deploy as scheduled anyways. How the events unfolded is crucial. (Imagine the court granting you a waiver only to be pulled over for a traffic violation and find out your license is suspended after all. And your example isn't really a good one. You should have given more time to get to the courthouse.)

The military was legit to offer her the extension but then (imao) fucked up when they reneged the day before. There is no reason she could not have had the extension.

From what you describe above it sounds like the girl didn't do anything in violation of the rules. She told them there was a problem, asked for an extenstion which was granted, then her superiors sound like they ignored the extension. Is that what happened they ignored the extension they promised her right?

If that is the case then she shouldn't face any penalties at all.

 

[CurveLight]

Can you elaborate a little more for me Curve. I'm flexible on this if you can provide me with more information. I'll help

What was the Approved FCP?
What is the cyborg resistance is futile approach you are talking about?

I have missed a deadline before due to circumstances that were out of my control and I accepted the punishment I was handed for missing that deadline (I was 10 min late for court because of construction I didn't know about and ended up losing my liscense for 30 days...granted this is not the same as this lady AT ALL but still I took responsibility for not being where I was supposed to be when I was supposed to be there).

Give me some reasoning, help change my mind.

FCP=Family Care Plan as outlined in Chp 5 of AR 600-20. It basically states single parents arrange for child care during deployment. This soldier followed that regulation and her superiors approved the plan. They even gave her a few days leave to fly her son home one month before the Unit Deployment date. At this point she is in compliance with the regulations. Roughly two weeks before deployment her child was returned to her because her mom could not take care of him for a full year as she anticipated. As soon as the soldier found out she informed her superiors who granted her an extension at that time. However, on the eve of Unit Deployment her superiors changed their mind and told her she would have to deploy as scheduled anyways. How the events unfolded is crucial. (Imagine the court granting you a waiver only to be pulled over for a traffic violation and find out your license is suspended after all. And your example isn't really a good one. You should have given more time to get to the courthouse.)

The military was legit to offer her the extension but then (imao) fucked up when they reneged the day before. There is no reason she could not have had the extension.

From what you describe above it sounds like the girl didn't do anything in violation of the rules. She told them there was a problem, asked for an extenstion which was granted, then her superiors sound like they ignored the extension. Is that what happened they ignored the extension they promised her right?

If that is the case then she shouldn't face any penalties at all.

Some are arguing she should not have had the extension at all because the military offered assistance in finding a caregiver. Due to the short period of time, that's pretty unreasonable because the extension could have offered her to get the chance to at least meet the people who would be having custody of her son. Some have suggested she is just trying to get out of the military and my response is without evidence that speculation has no room in the equation. Ever since this happened last November the military was claiming to agree to resolve it administratively but suddenly changed their mind and decided to prosecute. Word on the street is her superiors were informed of some type of "misconduct" on her part. Nobody knows what that is at this point.