US says Israeli courts determine legality of settlements

The ICC, the UN Security Council, and almost everybody else in the world say that the settlements are illegal. This doofus lives in La La Land.

You CAN'T POSSIBLY agree that Jewish settlements are illegal. To do so would contradict and undermine your entire argument concerning the unity of "Palestine". Remember there are no "borders" within "Palestine" and therefore no legal distinction between a territory where Israelis (Jews) are permitted to live and a territory where Israelis (Jews) are not permitted to live. There is no way to determine WHERE Jewish settlements would be legal or illegal.

I never thought of that. Why would some people, who happen to be Jewish, not be allowed to build a home anywhere in the land?

Is a "settlement" an officially paid for building of homes by the Israeli government? If not.... then it's just Jewish people building a home on land.... how is that illegal?

Maybe I am missing something.
 


It's funny'


Tell us why Jordanian FORMAL annexation of the West Bank and E, Jerusalem was accepted yet when Israel obtained those territories after the Arabs initiated the 67 War it became " occupied"

The Jordanian annexation of the West Bank was the occupation and consequent annexation of the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) by Jordan (formerly Transjordan) in the aftermath of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War.[1][2] During the war, Jordan's Arab Legion conquered the Old City of Jerusalem and took control of territory on the western side of the Jordan River, including the cities of Jericho, Bethlehem, Hebron and Nablus.[3] At the end of hostilities, Jordan was in complete control of the West Bank. It was FORMALLY annexed April 24, 1950
Tell us why Jordanian FORMAL annexation of the West Bank and E, Jerusalem was accepted
It wasn't. Only Britain and Pakistan recognized the annexation. The rest of the world said it was an occupation.

Trump and his swamp is not the arbiter of international law.

Who is then?

And is there such a thing as "international law"?

Hasn't done much for illegally occupied Northern Cyprus.

Exactly, I don't see these "international law!" people screaming about Russia that is *STILL* in the Ukraine...... because it's those same people spouting International law, that are being supported by Russia.
Israel never gave a rat's ass about international law. It is the Wild West of the middle east.

If Israel followed the law, there would be no Israel.

If what you say is true..... then you just outlined exactly why I see no validity to international law.
 
Omar faints. Taliban starts to foam from the mouth...all is good!

Secretary of State Michael Pompeo announces major change to US policy, recognizes Israeli courts' authority on settlements.


Where's that damn fox?

I need to leave him the keys to the hen house.
 
The ICC, the UN Security Council, and almost everybody else in the world say that the settlements are illegal. This doofus lives in La La Land.

You CAN'T POSSIBLY agree that Jewish settlements are illegal. To do so would contradict and undermine your entire argument concerning the unity of "Palestine". Remember there are no "borders" within "Palestine" and therefore no legal distinction between a territory where Israelis (Jews) are permitted to live and a territory where Israelis (Jews) are not permitted to live. There is no way to determine WHERE Jewish settlements would be legal or illegal.

I never thought of that. Why would some people, who happen to be Jewish, not be allowed to build a home anywhere in the land?

Is a "settlement" an officially paid for building of homes by the Israeli government? If not.... then it's just Jewish people building a home on land.... how is that illegal?

Maybe I am missing something.

Even if the “settlement” is approved by the Israeli government and the Israeli government provides infrastructure, still there is no legal differentiation between one part of “Palestine” and another part of Palestine to differentiate between where Israelis (Jews) may build and where they may not.

The opinion that Jewish settlements are illegal is based on an illegal transfer of a population over a border or demarcation line between a sovereign state and an occupied territory. The opinion that Jewish settlements are illegal depends upon this legal demarcation line between Israel and Palestine. The problem is there isn’t one.
 
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The ICC, the UN Security Council, and almost everybody else in the world say that the settlements are illegal. This doofus lives in La La Land.

You CAN'T POSSIBLY agree that Jewish settlements are illegal. To do so would contradict and undermine your entire argument concerning the unity of "Palestine". Remember there are no "borders" within "Palestine" and therefore no legal distinction between a territory where Israelis (Jews) are permitted to live and a territory where Israelis (Jews) are not permitted to live. There is no way to determine WHERE Jewish settlements would be legal or illegal.

I never thought of that. Why would some people, who happen to be Jewish, not be allowed to build a home anywhere in the land?

Is a "settlement" an officially paid for building of homes by the Israeli government? If not.... then it's just Jewish people building a home on land.... how is that illegal?

Maybe I am missing something.

Even if the “settlement” is approved by the Israeli government and the Israeli government provides infrastructure, still there is no legal differentiation between one part of “Palestine” and another part of Palestine to differentiate between where Israelis (Jews) may build and where they may not.

The opinion that Jewish settlements are illegal is based on an illegal transfer of a population over a border or demarcation line between a sovereign state and an occupied territory. The opinion that Jewish settlements are illegal depends upon this legal demarcation line between Israel and Palestine. The problem is there isn’t one.

And correct me if I'm wrong.... but didn't Yasser Arafat specifically turn down such a demarcation of a Palestine state in 2000, where he rejected every single offer, and making no counter offers for a settlement to the problem?
 
U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s statement Monday that Israeli settlements are not illegal per se is the most significant shift in U.S. Middle East policy in the past generation. Jerusalem’s status as Israel’s capital has been a matter of U.S. law since 1996. There was little interest in Washington in recent years in pressuring Israel to withdraw from the Golan Heights. But the issue of the legality of Israeli settlements has been the defining issue of much of the international discourse on Israel for a generation.

In the vast majority of cases, the discourse has revolved around the widely held allegation – with no basis in actual law – that Israeli communities in Judea and Samaria are illegal. This allegation has served as the justification for a continuous barrage of condemnations of Israel in international arena and for anti-Israel legal verdicts in international courts including the International Court of Justice at the Hague in 2004 and the European Court of Justice last week. The unsupported allegation that Israeli communities in Judea and Samaria are illegal was also the basis for UN Security Council Resolution 2234 from 2016 and is a basis of the International Criminal Court’s ongoing probes of Israelis.

Pompeo's statement on settlements is a diplomatic turning point - CarolineGlick.com
The ICC, the UN Security Council, and almost everybody else in the world say that the settlements are illegal. This doofus lives in La La Land.
The U.S. does not write international law nor can the proclamations of one president change it. In 14 months we could well have a different administration in office.



Legal recognition of West Bank settlements could 'kill off' hope of two-state solution, says former US ambassador
Former US ambassador to Israel Dan Shapiro spoke to The World's Marco Werman about what the decision means the region.

Marco Werman: Ambassador, what makes this shift in policy so important?

Dan Shapiro: The truth is, is that it's more symbolic than actual. Every administration since the Carter administration voiced their opposition to Israeli settlement construction in the West Bank, without making reference to the legal question. It was on policy grounds.

What's important about it, however, is that it seems to give a green light, and that's quite different from any previous administration, to significant expansion of Israeli settlement and at a time when advocates for Israeli settlement expansion are also talking about unilateral annexation of the West Bank or portions of the West Bank.

Clearly those steps would make it much, much harder to ever achieve a two-state solution. And since President [Donald] Trump has never endorsed a two-state solution, it appears to be a continuation of an effort essentially to move us away from that track and kill off that option.
 
The ICC, the UN Security Council, and almost everybody else in the world say that the settlements are illegal. This doofus lives in La La Land.

You CAN'T POSSIBLY agree that Jewish settlements are illegal. To do so would contradict and undermine your entire argument concerning the unity of "Palestine". Remember there are no "borders" within "Palestine" and therefore no legal distinction between a territory where Israelis (Jews) are permitted to live and a territory where Israelis (Jews) are not permitted to live. There is no way to determine WHERE Jewish settlements would be legal or illegal.

I never thought of that. Why would some people, who happen to be Jewish, not be allowed to build a home anywhere in the land?

Is a "settlement" an officially paid for building of homes by the Israeli government? If not.... then it's just Jewish people building a home on land.... how is that illegal?

Maybe I am missing something.

Even if the “settlement” is approved by the Israeli government and the Israeli government provides infrastructure, still there is no legal differentiation between one part of “Palestine” and another part of Palestine to differentiate between where Israelis (Jews) may build and where they may not.

The opinion that Jewish settlements are illegal is based on an illegal transfer of a population over a border or demarcation line between a sovereign state and an occupied territory. The opinion that Jewish settlements are illegal depends upon this legal demarcation line between Israel and Palestine. The problem is there isn’t one.

And correct me if I'm wrong.... but didn't Yasser Arafat specifically turn down such a demarcation of a Palestine state in 2000, where he rejected every single offer, and making no counter offers for a settlement to the problem?


Not an era that I am especially well read on, but my understanding is that borders were not the point of disagreement in the Camp David era. Indeed, agreeable borders have been pretty much accepted since the 1940s. If there is a devil in the details, the details appear to be quite easily jostled into place.

The problem then, as now, is the Arab demand for a Jew-free Arab state and an Arab-filled Jewish state. Its the Arab demand for "equality" in the Jewish state and apartheid in the Arab state.
 
The matter was settled a long time ago, with Jews being allowed to settle anywhere in the Mandate they wanted to originally. The 'Two State Solution' effectively ended that, freeing the Israelis to settle in the lands formally abandoned by the other state, Jordan, while effectively banning Jews from Jordan. Why anybody thinks the UN or anybody else has a say in the matter is a mystery, until you realize it's just anti-Israeli rubbish put out by assorted sociopaths and terrorist supporters.

It's also hilarious how some keep babbling about some 'Two State Solution' when that was already done years ago, and did nothing to solve the problem of Arab gangsterism and extortion rackets. Only an idiot would believe Hamas and the PLO are 'legitimate political parties' and think it would be grand to give them yet another big chunk of what was left of Palestine after Jordan already got over 85% of it the first time.
 
U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s statement Monday that Israeli settlements are not illegal per se is the most significant shift in U.S. Middle East policy in the past generation. Jerusalem’s status as Israel’s capital has been a matter of U.S. law since 1996. There was little interest in Washington in recent years in pressuring Israel to withdraw from the Golan Heights. But the issue of the legality of Israeli settlements has been the defining issue of much of the international discourse on Israel for a generation.

In the vast majority of cases, the discourse has revolved around the widely held allegation – with no basis in actual law – that Israeli communities in Judea and Samaria are illegal. This allegation has served as the justification for a continuous barrage of condemnations of Israel in international arena and for anti-Israel legal verdicts in international courts including the International Court of Justice at the Hague in 2004 and the European Court of Justice last week. The unsupported allegation that Israeli communities in Judea and Samaria are illegal was also the basis for UN Security Council Resolution 2234 from 2016 and is a basis of the International Criminal Court’s ongoing probes of Israelis.

Pompeo's statement on settlements is a diplomatic turning point - CarolineGlick.com
The ICC, the UN Security Council, and almost everybody else in the world say that the settlements are illegal. This doofus lives in La La Land.

Same UN that funds settlements in western Sahara?

And while talking about a doofus in the "La La Land"...what authority do they have to override any nations' domestic or foreign policy, or for that matter international treaties?
 
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U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s statement Monday that Israeli settlements are not illegal per se is the most significant shift in U.S. Middle East policy in the past generation. Jerusalem’s status as Israel’s capital has been a matter of U.S. law since 1996. There was little interest in Washington in recent years in pressuring Israel to withdraw from the Golan Heights. But the issue of the legality of Israeli settlements has been the defining issue of much of the international discourse on Israel for a generation.

In the vast majority of cases, the discourse has revolved around the widely held allegation – with no basis in actual law – that Israeli communities in Judea and Samaria are illegal. This allegation has served as the justification for a continuous barrage of condemnations of Israel in international arena and for anti-Israel legal verdicts in international courts including the International Court of Justice at the Hague in 2004 and the European Court of Justice last week. The unsupported allegation that Israeli communities in Judea and Samaria are illegal was also the basis for UN Security Council Resolution 2234 from 2016 and is a basis of the International Criminal Court’s ongoing probes of Israelis.

Pompeo's statement on settlements is a diplomatic turning point - CarolineGlick.com
The ICC, the UN Security Council, and almost everybody else in the world say that the settlements are illegal. This doofus lives in La La Land.
The U.S. does not write international law nor can the proclamations of one president change it. In 14 months we could well have a different administration in office.



Legal recognition of West Bank settlements could 'kill off' hope of two-state solution, says former US ambassador
Former US ambassador to Israel Dan Shapiro spoke to The World's Marco Werman about what the decision means the region.

Marco Werman: Ambassador, what makes this shift in policy so important?

Dan Shapiro: The truth is, is that it's more symbolic than actual. Every administration since the Carter administration voiced their opposition to Israeli settlement construction in the West Bank, without making reference to the legal question. It was on policy grounds.

What's important about it, however, is that it seems to give a green light, and that's quite different from any previous administration, to significant expansion of Israeli settlement and at a time when advocates for Israeli settlement expansion are also talking about unilateral annexation of the West Bank or portions of the West Bank.

Clearly those steps would make it much, much harder to ever achieve a two-state solution. And since President [Donald] Trump has never endorsed a two-state solution, it appears to be a continuation of an effort essentially to move us away from that track and kill off that option.
Clearly those steps would make it much, much harder to ever achieve a two-state solution.
There is no legal requirement that Palestine be divided into two states. There is a lot of hoopla about dividing Palestine but the Palestinians have been opposed to that foreign idea since 1937.

ARTICLE 4
States are juridically equal, enjoy the same rights, and have equal capacity in their exercise. The rights of each one do not depend upon the power which it possesses to assure its exercise, but upon the simple fact of its existence as a person under international law.

The Avalon Project : Convention on Rights and Duties of States (inter-American); December 26, 1933

What does that mean?
 
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The ICC, the UN Security Council, and almost everybody else in the world say that the settlements are illegal. This doofus lives in La La Land.

You CAN'T POSSIBLY agree that Jewish settlements are illegal. To do so would contradict and undermine your entire argument concerning the unity of "Palestine". Remember there are no "borders" within "Palestine" and therefore no legal distinction between a territory where Israelis (Jews) are permitted to live and a territory where Israelis (Jews) are not permitted to live. There is no way to determine WHERE Jewish settlements would be legal or illegal.
Where, inside Palestine, would any Israeli settlement be legal?
 
The ICC, the UN Security Council, and almost everybody else in the world say that the settlements are illegal. This doofus lives in La La Land.

You CAN'T POSSIBLY agree that Jewish settlements are illegal. To do so would contradict and undermine your entire argument concerning the unity of "Palestine". Remember there are no "borders" within "Palestine" and therefore no legal distinction between a territory where Israelis (Jews) are permitted to live and a territory where Israelis (Jews) are not permitted to live. There is no way to determine WHERE Jewish settlements would be legal or illegal.
Where, inside Palestine, would any Israeli settlement be legal?

Everywhere.
Whole of Palestine was vested with Jewish sovereignty under International Law,
that one which the U.S. itself ratified and bound by constitutionally.

Any attempt to negate the Jewish people's right to Palestine - Eretz Israel, and to deny them access and control in the area designated for the Jewish people by the League of Nations is an actionable infringement of both international law and the Supremacy Clause (Article VI, paragraph 2 of the United States Constitution), which dictates that Treaties "shall be the supreme Law of the Land".
 
The ICC, the UN Security Council, and almost everybody else in the world say that the settlements are illegal. This doofus lives in La La Land.

You CAN'T POSSIBLY agree that Jewish settlements are illegal. To do so would contradict and undermine your entire argument concerning the unity of "Palestine". Remember there are no "borders" within "Palestine" and therefore no legal distinction between a territory where Israelis (Jews) are permitted to live and a territory where Israelis (Jews) are not permitted to live. There is no way to determine WHERE Jewish settlements would be legal or illegal.

I never thought of that. Why would some people, who happen to be Jewish, not be allowed to build a home anywhere in the land?

Is a "settlement" an officially paid for building of homes by the Israeli government? If not.... then it's just Jewish people building a home on land.... how is that illegal?

Maybe I am missing something.

Even if the “settlement” is approved by the Israeli government and the Israeli government provides infrastructure, still there is no legal differentiation between one part of “Palestine” and another part of Palestine to differentiate between where Israelis (Jews) may build and where they may not.

The opinion that Jewish settlements are illegal is based on an illegal transfer of a population over a border or demarcation line between a sovereign state and an occupied territory. The opinion that Jewish settlements are illegal depends upon this legal demarcation line between Israel and Palestine. The problem is there isn’t one.
Israel crossed that border in 1948.
 
There is no legal requirement that Palestine be divided into two states.

There is no Palestinian state. It's looking as if there never will be.

There never was.

For the umpteenth time:

Let’s talk about the West Bank, that’s where the problem stems from but if you’re a liberal Jew, you often fall for the propaganda of saying “occupied territories” and “illegal settlements” because you don’t know Israeli history and you’re listening to false media controlled by groups who want you to believe something that isn’t true. We hear and read things all the time, even Wikipedia that says,” West Bank has been under Israeli occupation since the 1967 Six-Day War.” This is factually incorrect. How can you possibly “occupy” your own land?

In 1967, there was no Arab nation or state called Palestine, in fact, there was never any Palestine. During the Six-Day war, Israel took over their own land, the West Bank, from Jordan in self defense after Jordan joined a war launched by Egypt and Syria to destroy the state of Israel. In 1967, United Nations rejected Arab and Soviet attempts to recognize Israel as the aggressor. United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 was adopted unanimously by the UN Security Council on November 22, 1967, in the aftermath of the Six-Day war. This left Israel with secure and recognized boundaries/borders.

What right did Jordan have to invade Israel’s West Bank to begin with? Jordan was the one “occupying” Israel when they had no legal right to be there other than it’s attempt to destroy the state of Israel. Samaria is the territory generally referred to as the West Bank.

Read on, for a history lesson:

There’s NO “Israeli Occupation” In The West Bank
 
There is no legal requirement that Palestine be divided into two states.

There is no Palestinian state. It's looking as if there never will be.

There never was.

For the umpteenth time:

Let’s talk about the West Bank, that’s where the problem stems from but if you’re a liberal Jew, you often fall for the propaganda of saying “occupied territories” and “illegal settlements” because you don’t know Israeli history and you’re listening to false media controlled by groups who want you to believe something that isn’t true. We hear and read things all the time, even Wikipedia that says,” West Bank has been under Israeli occupation since the 1967 Six-Day War.” This is factually incorrect. How can you possibly “occupy” your own land?

In 1967, there was no Arab nation or state called Palestine, in fact, there was never any Palestine. During the Six-Day war, Israel took over their own land, the West Bank, from Jordan in self defense after Jordan joined a war launched by Egypt and Syria to destroy the state of Israel. In 1967, United Nations rejected Arab and Soviet attempts to recognize Israel as the aggressor. United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 was adopted unanimously by the UN Security Council on November 22, 1967, in the aftermath of the Six-Day war. This left Israel with secure and recognized boundaries/borders.

What right did Jordan have to invade Israel’s West Bank to begin with? Jordan was the one “occupying” Israel when they had no legal right to be there other than it’s attempt to destroy the state of Israel. Samaria is the territory generally referred to as the West Bank.

Read on, for a history lesson:

There’s NO “Israeli Occupation” In The West Bank
More unsubstantiated Israeli talking points from an Israeli propaganda site.
 
There is no legal requirement that Palestine be divided into two states.

There is no Palestinian state. It's looking as if there never will be.

There never was.

For the umpteenth time:

Let’s talk about the West Bank, that’s where the problem stems from but if you’re a liberal Jew, you often fall for the propaganda of saying “occupied territories” and “illegal settlements” because you don’t know Israeli history and you’re listening to false media controlled by groups who want you to believe something that isn’t true. We hear and read things all the time, even Wikipedia that says,” West Bank has been under Israeli occupation since the 1967 Six-Day War.” This is factually incorrect. How can you possibly “occupy” your own land?

In 1967, there was no Arab nation or state called Palestine, in fact, there was never any Palestine. During the Six-Day war, Israel took over their own land, the West Bank, from Jordan in self defense after Jordan joined a war launched by Egypt and Syria to destroy the state of Israel. In 1967, United Nations rejected Arab and Soviet attempts to recognize Israel as the aggressor. United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 was adopted unanimously by the UN Security Council on November 22, 1967, in the aftermath of the Six-Day war. This left Israel with secure and recognized boundaries/borders.

What right did Jordan have to invade Israel’s West Bank to begin with? Jordan was the one “occupying” Israel when they had no legal right to be there other than it’s attempt to destroy the state of Israel. Samaria is the territory generally referred to as the West Bank.

Read on, for a history lesson:

There’s NO “Israeli Occupation” In The West Bank
More unsubstantiated Israeli talking points from an Israeli propaganda site.

More non answers from an Israel hater.
 
There is no legal requirement that Palestine be divided into two states.

There is no Palestinian state. It's looking as if there never will be.

There never was.

For the umpteenth time:

Let’s talk about the West Bank, that’s where the problem stems from but if you’re a liberal Jew, you often fall for the propaganda of saying “occupied territories” and “illegal settlements” because you don’t know Israeli history and you’re listening to false media controlled by groups who want you to believe something that isn’t true. We hear and read things all the time, even Wikipedia that says,” West Bank has been under Israeli occupation since the 1967 Six-Day War.” This is factually incorrect. How can you possibly “occupy” your own land?

In 1967, there was no Arab nation or state called Palestine, in fact, there was never any Palestine. During the Six-Day war, Israel took over their own land, the West Bank, from Jordan in self defense after Jordan joined a war launched by Egypt and Syria to destroy the state of Israel. In 1967, United Nations rejected Arab and Soviet attempts to recognize Israel as the aggressor. United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 was adopted unanimously by the UN Security Council on November 22, 1967, in the aftermath of the Six-Day war. This left Israel with secure and recognized boundaries/borders.

What right did Jordan have to invade Israel’s West Bank to begin with? Jordan was the one “occupying” Israel when they had no legal right to be there other than it’s attempt to destroy the state of Israel. Samaria is the territory generally referred to as the West Bank.

Read on, for a history lesson:

There’s NO “Israeli Occupation” In The West Bank
More unsubstantiated Israeli talking points from an Israeli propaganda site.

More non answers from an Israel hater.
Who shovels that crap besides Israel?
 

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