us One is dead - College football is getting a 4 team playoff

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Now I think an 8 team playoff would be mch better, but at least the BCS system is on its way out and the Plus One would have just been an extension of that.

Let the best teams play and give us a real champion.
 
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Great so we will get to see more bowl games in the south with 3 SEC teams and Oklahomo.

That is not because of any bias. We just have the best teams.

Maybe USC will do something this year. They seem the likely candidate to lose the National Championship game in 2013.
 
Four is better than two

Let's let it run for a few years and see how it goes. Now we actually get three games that mean something instead of one

The rest of the bowl games are just exhibition games and have no real meaning
 
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Four is better than two

Let's let it run for a few years and see how it goes. Now we actually get three games that mean something instead of one

The rest of the bowl games are just exhibition games and have no real meaning

The other bowl games haven't had an effect on selecting the national champion since the BCS came in to being. But they make lots of money and the fans love them. So they are not really meaningless. Watching Bama destroy Michigan State at the end of the 2010 season was great! Watching MS State annialate Michigan was fun too.
 
Four is better than two

Let's let it run for a few years and see how it goes. Now we actually get three games that mean something instead of one

The rest of the bowl games are just exhibition games and have no real meaning

The other bowl games haven't had an effect on selecting the national champion since the BCS came in to being. But they make lots of money and the fans love them. So they are not really meaningless. Watching Bama destroy Michigan State at the end of the 2010 season was great! Watching MS State annialate Michigan was fun too.

Seeing the third place team from the SEC play the fourth place team from the Pac 10 is meaningless. With the realignment in the conferences, they are becoming meaningless also
 
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Four is better than two

Let's let it run for a few years and see how it goes. Now we actually get three games that mean something instead of one

The rest of the bowl games are just exhibition games and have no real meaning

The other bowl games haven't had an effect on selecting the national champion since the BCS came in to being. But they make lots of money and the fans love them. So they are not really meaningless. Watching Bama destroy Michigan State at the end of the 2010 season was great! Watching MS State annialate Michigan was fun too.

Seeing the third place team from the SEC play the fourth place team from the Pac 10 is meaningless. With the realignment in the conferences, they are becoming meaningless also

Meaningless to everyone but the few hundred thousand fans. Hell, there are only a handful of teams who really have a shot at winning the national championship. The rest are just playing for the fans, the traditions and to try and win THAT game.

But at least with the new system we will have 4 teams in the running after the regular season and the conference championships.

More good games to watch.
 
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Great so we will get to see more bowl games in the south with 3 SEC teams and Oklahomo.

We'll see what they come up with on Tuesday. I would strongly favor allowing only one team per conference.

That would not give you a true champion decided on the field.

As an example, for the 2011 season, a 4 team playoff of the highest ranked conference champions, you would have had LSU, OK State, Oregon and Wisconsin.

That would be a playoff between the #1,#3, #5, and #10 ranked teams. That isn't giving you a champion.
 
Great so we will get to see more bowl games in the south with 3 SEC teams and Oklahomo.

We'll see what they come up with on Tuesday. I would strongly favor allowing only one team per conference.

That would not give you a true champion decided on the field.

As an example, for the 2011 season, a 4 team playoff of the highest ranked conference champions, you would have had LSU, OK State, Oregon and Wisconsin.

That would be a playoff between the #1,#3, #5, and #10 ranked teams. That isn't giving you a champion.

I think he means one conference can't have two teams out of four
 
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We'll see what they come up with on Tuesday. I would strongly favor allowing only one team per conference.

That would not give you a true champion decided on the field.

As an example, for the 2011 season, a 4 team playoff of the highest ranked conference champions, you would have had LSU, OK State, Oregon and Wisconsin.

That would be a playoff between the #1,#3, #5, and #10 ranked teams. That isn't giving you a champion.

I think he means one conference can't have two teams out of four

Either way it means you don't have the 4 best teams playing. I know people were pissed about the LSU/Alabama rematch. But the BCS was set up to pit the two best teams against each other for the championship. Thats the way ot felll
 
Great so we will get to see more bowl games in the south with 3 SEC teams and Oklahomo.

We'll see what they come up with on Tuesday. I would strongly favor allowing only one team per conference.

Fuck the conferences....take the top four teams

Funny, that isn't the way the major professional leagues do it.

The NFL even honors the best teams in the conferences and in the divisions. It's format does not guarantee the 4th best team in the NFL entry to the 12 team playoff and indeed, from time to time we see a 10-6 team not go.

The importance of recognizing the major conference in college football is even more pronounced, because while an NFL team will play about one third of its games against non-conference opponents and another third against non-division opponents, college football teams play a few non-conference games at the beginning of the year and they tend to pick patsy opponents (many exceptions apply).

With so little cross-power-5 conference competition I would think that an enlightened fan would be concerned with the possibility of a false economy both in the computer rankings and in the sportswriters/coaches polls. What if that team that's running the table in the Pac-12 isn't really all that good?

The dearth of cross-conference competition makes it all the more important that as many conference as possible are represented in the the playoffs, dont' you think?

Most importantly the BCS system of rankings relies exclusively on polls and computer rankings. Both of the above punish a team heavily for recent losses. The current and historic state of college football is that teams tend to move their big games to the end of the season - the final game and more recently the conference playoff. Losing either of those gamses sets up a situation where a deserving team doesn't get their chance at the title. More importantly losing the conference title game - according to the BCS ranking system, would likely set up the absurd situtation where a team risks not being able to play for the national championship *BECAUSE* they won their conference division.

For example, under a system where BCS rankings where favored over conference standings, if LSU had lost to Georgia in the SEC championship game that they qualified for by beating Alabama then they would not likely have qualified for the same 4 team playoff that Alabama would certainly have qualified for because they didn't have to face Georgia in the GeorgiaDome.

PS> Georgia wouldn't have gone either.

Like I say, this college football playoff thing takes thought.
 
We'll see what they come up with on Tuesday. I would strongly favor allowing only one team per conference.

Fuck the conferences....take the top four teams

Funny, that isn't the way the major professional leagues do it.

The NFL even honors the best teams in the conferences and in the divisions. It's format does not guarantee the 4th best team in the NFL entry to the 12 team playoff and indeed, from time to time we see a 10-6 team not go.

The importance of recognizing the major conference in college football is even more pronounced, because while an NFL team will play about one third of its games against non-conference opponents and another third against non-division opponents, college football teams play a few non-conference games at the beginning of the year and they tend to pick patsy opponents (many exceptions apply).

With so little cross-power-5 conference competition I would think that an enlightened fan would be concerned with the possibility of a false economy both in the computer rankings and in the sportswriters/coaches polls. What if that team that's running the table in the Pac-12 isn't really all that good?

The dearth of cross-conference competition makes it all the more important that as many conference as possible are represented in the the playoffs, dont' you think?

Most importantly the BCS system of rankings relies exclusively on polls and computer rankings. Both of the above punish a team heavily for recent losses. The current and historic state of college football is that teams tend to move their big games to the end of the season - the final game and more recently the conference playoff. Losing either of those gamses sets up a situation where a deserving team doesn't get their chance at the title. More importantly losing the conference title game - according to the BCS ranking system, would likely set up the absurd situtation where a team risks not being able to play for the national championship *BECAUSE* they won their conference division.

For example, under a system where BCS rankings where favored over conference standings, if LSU had lost to Georgia in the SEC championship game that they qualified for by beating Alabama then they would not likely have qualified for the same 4 team playoff that Alabama would certainly have qualified for because they didn't have to face Georgia in the GeorgiaDome.

PS> Georgia wouldn't have gone either.

Like I say, this college football playoff thing takes thought.

The NFL has a twelve team playoff structure for a 32 team league
NCAA is looking to pick a four team playoff for over a hundred Div 1 teams

With only four teams , you need to be sure you make a best effort to pick the top 4 most deserving

Having #1, #3, #5 and #6 does not pass muster
 
Now I think an 8 team playoff would be mch better, but at least the BCS system is on its way out and the Plus One would have just been an extension of that.

Let the best teams play and give us a real champion.
Best eight teams selected after the last January 1 bowl game.
Three week play-off starting...?
Championship game played the day before the Super Bowl??
 
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We'll see what they come up with on Tuesday. I would strongly favor allowing only one team per conference.

Fuck the conferences....take the top four teams

Funny, that isn't the way the major professional leagues do it.

The NFL even honors the best teams in the conferences and in the divisions. It's format does not guarantee the 4th best team in the NFL entry to the 12 team playoff and indeed, from time to time we see a 10-6 team not go.

The importance of recognizing the major conference in college football is even more pronounced, because while an NFL team will play about one third of its games against non-conference opponents and another third against non-division opponents, college football teams play a few non-conference games at the beginning of the year and they tend to pick patsy opponents (many exceptions apply).

With so little cross-power-5 conference competition I would think that an enlightened fan would be concerned with the possibility of a false economy both in the computer rankings and in the sportswriters/coaches polls. What if that team that's running the table in the Pac-12 isn't really all that good?

The dearth of cross-conference competition makes it all the more important that as many conference as possible are represented in the the playoffs, dont' you think?

Most importantly the BCS system of rankings relies exclusively on polls and computer rankings. Both of the above punish a team heavily for recent losses. The current and historic state of college football is that teams tend to move their big games to the end of the season - the final game and more recently the conference playoff. Losing either of those gamses sets up a situation where a deserving team doesn't get their chance at the title. More importantly losing the conference title game - according to the BCS ranking system, would likely set up the absurd situtation where a team risks not being able to play for the national championship *BECAUSE* they won their conference division.

For example, under a system where BCS rankings where favored over conference standings, if LSU had lost to Georgia in the SEC championship game that they qualified for by beating Alabama then they would not likely have qualified for the same 4 team playoff that Alabama would certainly have qualified for because they didn't have to face Georgia in the GeorgiaDome.

PS> Georgia wouldn't have gone either.

Like I say, this college football playoff thing takes thought.

There are some big differences between the NFL and the NCAA.

First, with only 32 teams in the NFL, they have an 8 team playoff syste,

The NCAA has 126 teams and now a 4 team playoff system. That alone forces there to be some sort of poll to determine who gets into the playoffs.

As for the LSU losing to GA scenario, you are absolutely correct and that would have been the right way to do it. In order to determine rankings, the strength of schedule must be factored in, along with who they lost to and how (if they have lost games). Georgia had 2 losses on their record when they played LSU. That would make LSU's loss to them much worse than Bama's single loss to the #1 team. That Bama's loss was in OT is also a factor.

This is why OK State didn't play in the BCS Championship. They lost to a team that ended the season with a losing record.

With a 4 team playoff system, there will, by necessity, be a reliance on polls to determine who gets in. At the end of the season (conference championships included) the top 4 teams in the polls should be in the playoffs.

While you brought up the SEC Championship, you also need to consider that the Big 12 and the Big East do not play a conference championship.
 
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Now I think an 8 team playoff would be mch better, but at least the BCS system is on its way out and the Plus One would have just been an extension of that.

Let the best teams play and give us a real champion.
Best eight teams selected after the last January 1 bowl game.
Three week play-off starting...?
Championship game played the day before the Super Bowl??

Now that would be the way to determine a National Champion.
 
Great so we will get to see more bowl games in the south with 3 SEC teams and Oklahomo.

That is not because of any bias. We just have the best teams.

Maybe USC will do something this year. They seem the likely candidate to lose the National Championship game in 2013.
Sam Cunningham would just like to point out how good SEC teams have become since discovering some black men really can play football.
 

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