US officials flunk test of American history, economics, civics

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    more ... US officials flunk test of American history, economics, civics - Yahoo! News

    Freakin' dummies.:eusa_eh:
     
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    Wow, I actually found something before posting it, using the board search.

    It's amazes me that nobody cared to comment on this. It's a sign of the times, I guess.

    It's makes me want to send the interviewer guy in the COX commerical to DC to find out what else they don't know!

    And people wonder why we're in trouble.

    Oh yeah, now I remember, Bush did IT.
     
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    I missed this too.

    These are the same people who voted in the last presidential election. This is shameful. But the mainstream culture does not put an emphasis in acquiring knowledge which includes memorization. The mantra in the schools is "self esteem." True self esteem comes from achievements. Why should any child in school have their self esteem based on feel-good education?

    How can the know-nothing politicians solve the problem of our failing eduational institutions?
     
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    Before you get all hepped up an anti-government propaganda, you might want to look at the principles upon which The Intercollegiate Studies Institute is grounded


    Given that the creators of this test are obviously partians, and partisans whose long time goal is the assassination of the concept of government itself, it is hardly surprising that they found the answers of government officials not to their liking.

    I have very little doubt that, had I been able to actually SEE this test, I would find it written in such a way as to show you its biases.

    When are we Americans going to stop reading headlines and taking them at face value?

    The devil is in the details, folks.
     
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    When are you going to stop making excuses for the people who flunk the test?

    You want to water down the test, the way they did to the SAT's so that more people can get better grades.

    Let's address the problem at hand which is that the majority of people in our society need to be educated PROPERLY.
     
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    Oh, please... do get over yourself.

    Neither of us can review this test, now can we?

    But what we can do is check to see who crafted this test which is what I bothered to do.

    And what did I find created this test?

    A political 501(c)(3) masquarading as a legitimate educational corporation, that's what.

    They are no more an unbiased educational corporation than either political party is.

    You may not be aware of how 501(c)(3)s are crafted to be used as political tools to confuse the public but I surely am.

    These people are no more interested in education than Karl Rove is.

    This organization is part of the neo-cons propaganda machine.

    Go check out who sits on their board of directors and all you're find there are political hacks of the rightist persuasion
     
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    Thank you for exposing the kind of stupidity, perhaps insanity, that has resulted in the black hole that we call public education. So there is a conservative knowledge? And, I suppose, a liberal or progressive knowledge? What happened, you took the test and got a failing mark? Methinks you protest too much.

    We must value knowledge, education, learning. Stop bickering and deal with the question of how we form curriculum, and the testing that must go along with it. Data must inform policy.

    On Wednesday, June 6, 1928 the Oxford English Dictionary was completed. In The Meaning of Everything, Simon Winchester discusses the English of the time as follows:

    “The English establishment of the day might be rightly derided at this remove as having been class-ridden and imperialist, bombastic and blimpish, racist and insouciant-- but it was marked undeniably also by a sweeping erudition and confidence, and it was peopled by men and women who felt they were able to know all, to understand much, and in consequence to radiate the wisdom of deep learning.”

    I yearn for an environment where the population feels this way about learning. I scorn your petty hollow yapping about who wrote the questions. It is knowing the answers that counts.
     
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    Giv'em hell, you go PC!!!

    Gezus, this article wasn't about grade school kids it was about US Officials.

    For cry'n out loud this should have been an easy test for them, no matter how difficult; these people are US Officials.

    "How can political leaders make informed decisions if they don't understand the American experience?"
     
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    This one?

    Some of those questions, especially the economic ones, looked debateable to me but there were enough black-and-white history/civic questions that I would expect people elected to government to do better than 44%.
     
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    Plenty of us have taken the 'test' and scored in the 80's and 90's, I believe without exception. On another thread, I posted that I'd had my 8th grade class take it, projected on a board, thus the stronger students led the answers, as not taken individually. I 'gave' them the answer to Jefferson's letter being the source of 'wall of separation', with that exception, they missed 1 question.

    I have them for 'American History' for two years. I teach the political philosophy underlying the Constitution including Hobbes, Locke, Cincinnatus, Plato, and Aristotle. They are familiar with mercantilism, free markets, Rousseau, Smith. It's done at the middle school level with materials provided free from civiced.org, financed through an act of Congress, the same fools that can't pass the damn test.
     
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