US Navy Destroyer is dangerously operating in water claimed by China

[nicoleivy5]

US Navy Destroyer is dangerously operating in water claimed by China - full article

A U.S. Navy warship on Friday passed through waters claimed by China near disputed islands in the South China Sea, the Defense Department said, drawing Chinese condemnation.

A department spokesman, Navy Cmdr. Gary Ross, said the Arleigh Burke-class destroyer USS Decatur conducted the transit operation near the Paracel Islands. He said it was done "in a routine, lawful manner without ship escorts and without incident."

 

[GLASNOST]

And yet the Whine House and Pentagram start bitching to high heaven whenever the North Korean navy sail near disputed waters between the DPRK and ROK.

 

[Decus]

The Chinese have no claim to the area except at the point of a gun.

"The panel of judges at the Permanent Court of Arbitration said China's exclusive claims to a vast swath of territory in the South China Sea had no historical or legal basis....."
What the South China Sea ruling means for the world

As much as I like the Chinese, fck appeasement.

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[GLASNOST]

And I suppose that particular part of the sea simply must be navigated by war-mongering nations for the purpose of provocation? Look, it's rather simple. One nation claims it their territory. Another nation (that has absolutely no claims at all in that part of the world) wants to antagonize them. For the sake of argument let's call them both assholes. Maybe, but one is a bigger asshole than the other.

 

[Decus]

And I suppose that particular part of the sea simply must be navigated by war-mongering nations for the purpose of provocation? Look, it's rather simple. One nation claims it their territory. Another nation (that has absolutely no claims at all in that part of the world) wants to antagonize them. For the sake of argument let's call them both assholes. Maybe, but one is a bigger asshole than the other.

What part of "no claim" don't you understand?

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[GLASNOST]

And I suppose that particular part of the sea simply must be navigated by war-mongering nations for the purpose of provocation? Look, it's rather simple. One nation claims it their territory. Another nation (that has absolutely no claims at all in that part of the world) wants to antagonize them. For the sake of argument let's call them both assholes. Maybe, but one is a bigger asshole than the other.

What part of "no claim" don't you understand?

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What part of "operating in water claimed by China" do you not understand?

 

[Decus]

And I suppose that particular part of the sea simply must be navigated by war-mongering nations for the purpose of provocation? Look, it's rather simple. One nation claims it their territory. Another nation (that has absolutely no claims at all in that part of the world) wants to antagonize them. For the sake of argument let's call them both assholes. Maybe, but one is a bigger asshole than the other.

What part of "no claim" don't you understand?

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What part of "operating in water claimed by China" do you not understand?

All it takes in your world is an unjustified claim in order to secure ownership. You must be Russian.

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[yiostheoy]

Destroyers (the name originally comes from P/T-Boat Destroyers back in WW1 daze) are often used for bait like this.

The DOD is baiting China and playing chicken at the same time.

BHO probably agrees that the sea lanes should be kept open and therefore he approves the CNO sending destroyers in to challenge the Chinese.

China and N.Korea are not serious naval threats against the USA. Neither is Russia for that matter. All 3 of them are land powers, and as land powers each of them has superior infantry, tanks, and arty than the USA.

So as long as the DOD keeps Americans OFF Asian shores this game of chicken at sea should not be very dangerous. A US destroyer may get shot up again, but they get used for games of chicken like this a lot.

 

[yiostheoy]

And I suppose that particular part of the sea simply must be navigated by war-mongering nations for the purpose of provocation? Look, it's rather simple. One nation claims it their territory. Another nation (that has absolutely no claims at all in that part of the world) wants to antagonize them. For the sake of argument let's call them both assholes. Maybe, but one is a bigger asshole than the other.

What part of "no claim" don't you understand?

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What part of "operating in water claimed by China" do you not understand?

All it takes in your world is an unjustified claim in order to secure ownership. You must be Russian.

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GN is Russian yes. But his opinions are usually quite good and also sound.

It is true that the USA and China are playing various chicken games at sea, like I said.

And both sides bitch and moan to the UN as well.

 

[yiostheoy]

And I suppose that particular part of the sea simply must be navigated by war-mongering nations for the purpose of provocation? Look, it's rather simple. One nation claims it their territory. Another nation (that has absolutely no claims at all in that part of the world) wants to antagonize them. For the sake of argument let's call them both assholes. Maybe, but one is a bigger asshole than the other.

Russia, N.Korea, China, and the USA are all 4 war mongering nations. No big surprise there.

The USA is the dominant sea power though.

The Russians have the most tanks and arty.

The Chinese have the most infantry, always have, always will.

The N.Koreans are Chinese puppets. They have a big infantry but they are led by idiots.

 

[Two Thumbs]

And yet the Whine House and Pentagram start bitching to high heaven whenever the North Korean navy sail near disputed waters between the DPRK and ROK.

And yet the Whine House and Pentagram start bitching to high heaven whenever the North Korean navy sail near disputed waters between the DPRK and ROK.

do you understand the difference between Nk pulling shit, a country that has made threats, committed acts of war and another country passing through international waters of a country they get along with?

or are you really the dumbest person on usmb?

 

[Two Thumbs]

And I suppose that particular part of the sea simply must be navigated by war-mongering nations for the purpose of provocation? Look, it's rather simple. One nation claims it their territory. Another nation (that has absolutely no claims at all in that part of the world) wants to antagonize them. For the sake of argument let's call them both assholes. Maybe, but one is a bigger asshole than the other.

What part of "no claim" don't you understand?

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What part of "operating in water claimed by China" do you not understand?

russia claimed the entire artic sea, does that mean it's an act of war whenever other ships go through?

 

[xyz]

First of all, this thread has nothing to do with North Korea or Russia.

Secondly, those islands are nowhere near Chinese territorial waters. It's like if the United States claimed the North Pole because of Alaska.

Thirdly, China occupies no natural islands in the area; other countries do, such as the Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan and Japan. The Chinese built artificial islands on underwater coral reefs, destroying entire marine ecosystems.

Fourth, the Chinese Navy threatens all navigation and flights in the area, including civilian.

 

[GLASNOST]

do you understand the difference between Nk pulling shit, a country that has made threats, committed acts of war and another country passing through international waters of a country they get along with?

Sounds to me that you're describing the USA. My advice is that if you want to make a point, you ought to try some other ploy ..... one that won't have you shooting yourself in the foot ..... again.

russia claimed the entire artic sea, does that mean it's an act of war whenever other ships go through?

Funny, isn't it, you calling it an act of war. You must be a novice at this thing called 'debate'.

 

[Two Thumbs]

do you understand the difference between Nk pulling shit, a country that has made threats, committed acts of war and another country passing through international waters of a country they get along with?

Sounds to me that you're describing the USA. My advice is that if you want to make a point, you ought to try some other ploy ..... one that won't have you shooting yourself in the foot ..... again.

russia claimed the entire artic sea, does that mean it's an act of war whenever other ships go through?

Funny, isn't it, you calling it an act of war. You must be a novice at this thing called 'debate'.

ok, you're an liar, no point in debating someone that has to lie, since dealing with lies isn't debating.

 

[waltky]

Granny says, "Dat's right - the Donald is keepin' the sea lanes open...

U.S. warship sails near disputed island in South China Sea
Mon Jul 3, 2017 | A U.S. warship sailed near a disputed island in the South China Sea claimed by China, Taiwan and Vietnam on Sunday in an operation meant to challenge the competing claims of all three nations, a U.S. Defense Department official said.

The USS Stethem, a guided-missile destroyer, sailed within 12 nautical miles of Triton Island, part of the Paracel Islands in the South China Sea, the official said. The operation was first reported by Fox News on Sunday. It was the second "freedom-of-navigation operation," or "fonop," conducted during the presidency of Donald Trump, following a drill in late May in which a U.S. warship sailed within 12 nautical miles of an artificial island built up by China in the South China Sea. China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said in a statement the U.S. ship had made an unauthorized entry into China's territorial waters.

U.S. navy sailors stand in formation on the deck as USS Stethem (DDG 63) destroyer vessel arrives at a military port for an official visit, in Shanghai, China​

The operation was a "serious political and military provocation," said the statement, issued late on Sunday, citing ministry spokesman Lu Kang. It said China had sent battle ships and fighter jets to warn off the Stethem. "China strongly urges the U.S. side to immediately stop this kind of provocative action which seriously violates China's sovereignty and puts at risk China's security," Lu said. China would take all necessary measures to defend itself, he said. China's Defence Ministry said in a social media post on Monday the U.S. action had seriously damaged peace and stability in the South China Sea and reiterated its resolute opposition to the warship's entry. "The U.S. conduct seriously damages strategic trust between the two sides and seriously damages the political atmosphere of the development of China-U.S. military relations," the ministry said, without elaborating.

'POLITICAL GAMES'

Chinese state-run tabloid the Global Times said in an editorial on Monday the United States was playing political games in the South China Sea and such patrols would not stop Chinese construction work there. "U.S. provocations cannot change the present situation in the South China Sea," it said. Twelve nautical miles marks the territorial limits recognized internationally. Sailing within those 12 miles is meant to show that the United States does not recognize territorial claims there. "Unlike in the Spratlys, where China has created new artificial territory in the last several years, it has effectively controlled the Paracels since 1974," said Mira Rapp-Hooper, a South China Sea expert at the Center for a New American Security. "It claims illegal straight baselines around the Paracels, and the fonop may have been contesting these." The Paracels are also claimed by Taiwan and Vietnam. China fully occupied the Paracels in 1974 after forcing the navy of the-then South Vietnam off its holdings.

Trump has heaped praise on Chinese President Xi Jinping, but his administration has also stepped up pressure on Beijing as he has become frustrated that China has not done more to pressure North Korea over its nuclear and missile programs. On Thursday, the administration imposed sanctions on two Chinese citizens and a shipping company for helping North Korea's nuclear and missile programs, and accused a Chinese bank of laundering money for Pyongyang. The Trump administration has also approved an arms package for Taiwan worth about $1.4 billion, the State Department said last week. China deems Taiwan its own and has never renounced the use of force to bring the self-ruled island under its control. Trump spoke to Chinese President Xi Jinping and Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on Sunday, ahead of meetings he will hold with both leaders on the sidelines of the Group of 20 summit in Hamburg, Germany, next Friday and Saturday.

U.S. warship sails near disputed island in South China Sea

 

[whitehall]

Yeah but Vietnam also claims the area and maybe one or two other countries. The question is why the criminal conspiracy in the MSM is encouraging Americans to be fearful of angering China. It's about time ( forty-fifty-sixty years?) that the U.S. Navy has displayed a freaking set of balls. During mostly democrat administrations the U.S. Military was victimized by a two bit regime in N.K. and surrendered a ship pretty much without complaint, a U.S. Destroyer was disabled by a suicide bomber in a speed boat, U.S. Sailors were kidnapped and humiliated by Iran and Warships were buzzed by Russian planes. Here's a freaking plan, get the Pueblo back or sink it, blow speedboats out of the water if they approach U.S. ships without warning, punish Iran for kidnapping U.S. Sailors instead of showering tons of money on them and shoot down planes that approach U.S. ships. Meanwhile drain the freaking swamp.

 

[waltky]

Vietnam borders the So. China Sea...

Vietnam drills for oil in South China Sea
Wed, 05 Jul 2017: The move is reported to have angered China, which claims almost all of the resource-rich sea.

Vietnam has begun drilling for oil in an area of the resource-rich South China Sea also claimed by China. An oil industry consultant told the BBC that a drilling ship on contract to international firm Talisman-Vietnam was working off Vietnam's south-east coast. This appears to be why a senior Chinese general cut short an official visit to Vietnam last month. China claims almost all of the South China Sea, including reefs and islands also contested by other nations. According to Ian Cross, of Singapore-based Moyes & Co, the drillship Deepsea Metro I, began to drill in an area of sea about 400km (250 miles) off the Vietnamese coast on 21 June. It is likely that the news was kept secret because of its extreme sensitivity. Other oil industry sources have told the BBC that Talisman-Vietnam was denied permission to drill over the past three years to avoid upsetting China. It would appear that by taking such a bold move, the leadership in Hanoi is less concerned about such risks now.

The two countries had a tense stand-off in 2014 when China drilled for oil in disputed waters​

The piece of seabed in question is known as Block 136-03 by Vietnam, but China calls it Wan-an Bei 21 and has leased out the same area to a different company. In 2014 the Chinese rights were bought by a Hong Kong-based company called Brightoil. Two of the directors of Brightoil are senior members of the Chinese Communist Party. Talisman-Vietnam was formerly owned by the Canadian company Talisman but since 2015 has been part of the Spanish-owned Repsol group. Gen Fan Changlong, who is Vice-Chair of China's Central Military Commission, recently paid a visit to Madrid, where Repsol is based. Repsol has not responded to BBC questions about whether the Chinese authorities have made any protest to the company. In 2014 coastguard vessels and other ships belonging to China and Vietnam confronted each other in a different area of the South China Sea, further north near the Paracel Islands. Since then the two countries have tried to avoid confrontation.

However, Vietnam has clearly decided that the risks of a crisis are relatively low. Gen Fan Changlong, who is Vice-Chair of China's Central Military Commission, recently paid a visit to Madrid, where Repsol is based. Repsol has not responded to BBC questions about whether the Chinese authorities have made any protest to the company. In 2014 coastguard vessels and other ships belonging to China and Vietnam confronted each other in a different area of the South China Sea, further north near the Paracel Islands. Since then the two countries have tried to avoid confrontation. However, Vietnam has clearly decided that the risks of a crisis are relatively low. So far the only casualty of Vietnam's new oil expedition has been a planned meeting of the annual Vietnam-China border defence friendship exchange.

Vietnam and other neighbours contest China's territorial claims in the area​

That high-level meeting between the two countries' militaries was supposed to have taken place on the same day the Deepsea Metro I began drilling. Instead, Gen Fan - who was due in Hanoi after his Madrid visit - flew home, citing problems with the "working arrangements". Vietnam may have judged that with China currently promoting its "Belt and Road" initiative to the region and encouraging other countries to agree the new Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP), at the same time as it is preparing for its crucial Communist Party congress, it would be unwilling to provoke a regional crisis. There are no obvious signs of Chinese retaliation so far but we could see a tit-for-tat response with Beijing authorising a drilling operation in an area that Vietnam also claims. This, however, would take some time to organise.

Vietnam drills for oil in South China Sea - BBC News

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

And I suppose that particular part of the sea simply must be navigated by war-mongering nations for the purpose of provocation? Look, it's rather simple. One nation claims it their territory. Another nation (that has absolutely no claims at all in that part of the world) wants to antagonize them. For the sake of argument let's call them both assholes. Maybe, but one is a bigger asshole than the other.

What part of "no claim" don't you understand?

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What part of "operating in water claimed by China" do you not understand?

There was once this country called Libya that had a nutcase in charge who said that their waters extended 200nm into the Mediterranean Sea. All that got him was some dead sailors and airmen.

More than once, my guided missile cruiser patrolled just over 12 miles off the beach just to piss him off.

He learned that his claim was bogus.

 

[Mushroom]

There was once this country called Libya that had a nutcase in charge who said that their waters extended 200nm into the Mediterranean Sea. All that got him was some dead sailors and airmen.

More than once, my guided missile cruiser patrolled just over 12 miles off the beach just to piss him off.

He learned that his claim was bogus.

And to this day, we still do the same thing in the Strait of Hormuz, which Iran claims to own most of it (including the only safe shipping channel). Every few years they send out some patrol boats to try to enforce this claim, and generally a few shots are exchanged and they go back.

The passage of a naval ship is only "dangerous" if it is passing through an area without permission that is recognized internationally as being part of national waters. And only paranoids or people who want to make some kind of political point make claims otherwise.

Russian and Chinese ships passing 75 miles off the coast of California? I could not care less. After all, we do the exact same thing to them. But that is also a far cry from say the US trying to claim all waters from the West Coast to Hawaii are our territorial waters, or sailing right into Hong Kong harbor without an invitation to do so.