US destroyer collides with merchant ship near Singapore

[irosie91]

none------I never served on a ship------I handled the casualties, to wit, the victims of the MANY mishaps

So, in other word you don't have a clue. Thanks for admitting that much.

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I have lots of clues------in my capacity I got to know ALL THE DETAILS-----stuff to which
you were never privy

Uh, I was there, so you don't have any idea how things work! You weren't! I can read details too.

the details I get----are legally privileged. If a person like you-----admits to being "drunk" at the time---
I can legally keep that information off the record-- Sometimes I am obligated to do so

I am not buying your bullshit! Try selling that to someone else.

you are hilarious

 

[Borillar]

and you are not a Soserious person Borrilar . as i showed earlier , mrobama got rid of 197 experience military leaders . --- Obama's Military Coup Purges 197 Officers In Five Years | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD --- And keep posting foolishness as i would like to see this thread continue Borrilar .

So 40 REMF flag grade officers per year over 5 years across all services left. BFD. There are close to 1000 flag officers in command at any one time. In fact congress thinks there is a surplus of them. A few Admirals leaving (and replaced by other long serving Admirals) doesn't suddenly make senior officers, ship CO's, senior NCO's and petty officers incompetent. These people have been at their jobs long before Obama took office, and these accidents weren't occurring while Obama was in office.

 

[Borillar]

well , it is the USA Navy that mrobama built over a period of 8 years Miketx.

Yeah, I'm sure Obama was up on the bridge passing around spliffs of Jamaica bud to the bridge crew. He also personally built each ship, made sure the entire Navy was incompetent, and unplugged the radar so he could plug in his boom box. Then he blindfolded the lookouts, dropped some downers in the coffee and sped off on his jet-ski before he could be detected. Yeah, that's the ticket.

LIke most liberals, when want to you can't see past your hatred of America.

Like most conservatives, you can't make a coherent sentence. WTF are you trying to babble?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So, in other word you don't have a clue. Thanks for admitting that much.

\

I have lots of clues------in my capacity I got to know ALL THE DETAILS-----stuff to which
you were never privy

Uh, I was there, so you don't have any idea how things work! You weren't! I can read details too.

the details I get----are legally privileged. If a person like you-----admits to being "drunk" at the time---
I can legally keep that information off the record-- Sometimes I am obligated to do so

I am not buying your bullshit! Try selling that to someone else.

you are hilarious

You are ridiculous.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

and you are not a Soserious person Borrilar . as i showed earlier , mrobama got rid of 197 experience military leaders . --- Obama's Military Coup Purges 197 Officers In Five Years | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD --- And keep posting foolishness as i would like to see this thread continue Borrilar .

So 40 REMF flag grade officers per year over 5 years across all services left. BFD. There are close to 1000 flag officers in command at any one time. In fact congress thinks there is a surplus of them. A few Admirals leaving (and replaced by other long serving Admirals) doesn't suddenly make senior officers, ship CO's, senior NCO's and petty officers incompetent. These people have been at their jobs long before Obama took office, and these accidents weren't occurring while Obama was in office.

Yes they were. They were just under-reported.

 

[Borillar]

and you are not a Soserious person Borrilar . as i showed earlier , mrobama got rid of 197 experience military leaders . --- Obama's Military Coup Purges 197 Officers In Five Years | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD --- And keep posting foolishness as i would like to see this thread continue Borrilar .

So 40 REMF flag grade officers per year over 5 years across all services left. BFD. There are close to 1000 flag officers in command at any one time. In fact congress thinks there is a surplus of them. A few Admirals leaving (and replaced by other long serving Admirals) doesn't suddenly make senior officers, ship CO's, senior NCO's and petty officers incompetent. These people have been at their jobs long before Obama took office, and these accidents weren't occurring while Obama was in office.

Yes they were. They were just under-reported.

I only found reports of 2 collisions, both involving only Navy ships. One was a missile sub colliding with a support vessel. The other was a couple supply ships colliding during an unrep. Neither had any injuries or deaths.

 

[pismoe]

and you are not a Soserious person Borrilar . as i showed earlier , mrobama got rid of 197 experience military leaders . --- Obama's Military Coup Purges 197 Officers In Five Years | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD --- And keep posting foolishness as i would like to see this thread continue Borrilar .

So 40 REMF flag grade officers per year over 5 years across all services left. BFD. There are close to 1000 flag officers in command at any one time. In fact congress thinks there is a surplus of them. A few Admirals leaving (and replaced by other long serving Admirals) doesn't suddenly make senior officers, ship CO's, senior NCO's and petty officers incompetent. These people have been at their jobs long before Obama took office, and these accidents weren't occurring while Obama was in office.

Yes they were. They were just under-reported.

I only found reports of 2 collisions, both involving only Navy ships. One was a missile sub colliding with a support vessel. The other was a couple supply ships colliding during an unrep. Neither had any injuries or deaths.

-------------------------------- i heard that it was 4 collisions for USA Navy ship in this year . That doesn't sound good to me Borrilar although for a mrobama Navy i guess that its acceptable . Oh well ,just more work for President Trump to clean up eh Borrilar ??

 

[Borillar]

and you are not a Soserious person Borrilar . as i showed earlier , mrobama got rid of 197 experience military leaders . --- Obama's Military Coup Purges 197 Officers In Five Years | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD --- And keep posting foolishness as i would like to see this thread continue Borrilar .

So 40 REMF flag grade officers per year over 5 years across all services left. BFD. There are close to 1000 flag officers in command at any one time. In fact congress thinks there is a surplus of them. A few Admirals leaving (and replaced by other long serving Admirals) doesn't suddenly make senior officers, ship CO's, senior NCO's and petty officers incompetent. These people have been at their jobs long before Obama took office, and these accidents weren't occurring while Obama was in office.

Yes they were. They were just under-reported.

I only found reports of 2 collisions, both involving only Navy ships. One was a missile sub colliding with a support vessel. The other was a couple supply ships colliding during an unrep. Neither had any injuries or deaths.

-------------------------------- i heard that it was 4 collisions for USA Navy ship in this year . That doesn't sound good to me Borrilar although for a mrobama Navy i guess that its acceptable . Oh well ,just more work for President Trumo to clean up eh Borrilar ??

No, that was 2 minor collisions over the entire 8 years of Obama's presidency vs 4 collisions, 2 of them major ones, in Trump's first 8 months. If Trump is going to clean up anything, maybe he should clean up his own incompetence.

 

[pismoe]

the Navy , Nation and everything else that TRUMP has was left to Trump by 8 years of mrobama . Argue if you like but everyone knows what i said is true Borrilar .

 

[Borillar]

the Navy , Nation and everything else that TRUMP has was left to Trump by 8 years of mrobama . Argue if you like but everyone knows what i said is true Borrilar .

Not Obama's fault that Trump is going around breaking everything.

 

[Borillar]

the Navy , Nation and everything else that TRUMP has was left to Trump by 8 years of mrobama . Argue if you like but everyone knows what i said is true Borrilar .

Trump inherited a Navy with 4 more intact ships than he has now. At this rate, Trump's successor won't have a Navy, and new ships will come equipped with glass bottoms so they can see the old ships.

 

[irosie91]

and you are not a Soserious person Borrilar . as i showed earlier , mrobama got rid of 197 experience military leaders . --- Obama's Military Coup Purges 197 Officers In Five Years | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD --- And keep posting foolishness as i would like to see this thread continue Borrilar .

So 40 REMF flag grade officers per year over 5 years across all services left. BFD. There are close to 1000 flag officers in command at any one time. In fact congress thinks there is a surplus of them. A few Admirals leaving (and replaced by other long serving Admirals) doesn't suddenly make senior officers, ship CO's, senior NCO's and petty officers incompetent. These people have been at their jobs long before Obama took office, and these accidents weren't occurring while Obama was in office.

Yes they were. They were just under-reported.

how do you know?

 

[waltky]

One big mistake comes from a lot of little ones...

Navy Admiral: Catastrophic Collisions Result From Accumulation of Small Errors
September 20, 2017 | - Navy officials are not ready to say what is causing U.S. Navy destroyers to collide with merchant vessels, but at a hearing on Tuesday, they spoke in general terms about the human factor: "These catastrophes really result from the accumulation of a number of small errors that build up and line up eventually to create a sequence that results in an incident of this magnitude," Admiral John Richardson told the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Last month, ten sailors died when the USS John S. McCain collided with an oil tanker in a shipping channel off the coast of Singapore. And in June, seven sailors died when the USS Fitzgerald ran into a cargo ship in the Sea of Japan. "Every boat in the Gulf of Maine has a radar on it that tells us when there's another boat within a mile or two miles or five miles -- an alarm goes off, it shows up on your GPS," Sen. Angus King of Maine told Richardson. "How in the world does a billion dollar destroyer not know that there's a freighter closing in on it?" King asked. "Sir, (we) got the same questions," Richardson replied. "It's very hard to understand, with the sophisticated systems onboard these warships, that we'd let a ship get in that close, to the point of collision."

King also asked about the radars on the merchant ships: "Is there some technology that they couldn't see us?" "It wouldn't surprise anybody, I think, that we design our warships to have a lower radar cross-section, some designed to be very low," Richardson replied. "So that degree of stealth makes us more effective from a warfighting standpoint. But that also imposes a burden, if you will, on the crew of that (U.S.) ship to understand that they are low-observable and they may not be as easily seen as something that is as large as a destroyer. They'll have a radar cross-section of a ship that is much smaller."

Since the recent collisions, the Navy has directed its ships to turn on their Automatic Identification Systems, particularly in heavily trafficked areas, so other ships will know the U.S. Navy is in the area. Richardson also explained that for safety reasons, there are many redundancies on the bridge of an advanced Navy destroyer: "The watch team will be on the order of ten people. About four of those will be officers -- the officer of the deck, the junior officer of the deck, officer of the watch, conning officer. There'll be two lookouts, there'll be a quartermaster. And so there's plenty of people involved in this seamanship and navigation on the bridge. "They're supported by a team in the combat information center, which is also looking at electronic displays; they don't have windows, but they're backing them up," Richardson said.

And with respect to the technology, all critical systems, such as navigation, steering, and propulsion, all have back-up systems," Richardson added. "So there's a lot of redundancy built into these systems because they are so fundamental to safety. So now you get a sense...how could all of that break down so catastrophically to result in a collision of this magnitude? And that's why we have to do the thorough investigation.

Navy Admiral: Catastrophic Collisions Result From Accumulation of Small Errors

 

[pismoe]

One big mistake comes from a lot of little ones...

Navy Admiral: Catastrophic Collisions Result From Accumulation of Small Errors
September 20, 2017 | - Navy officials are not ready to say what is causing U.S. Navy destroyers to collide with merchant vessels, but at a hearing on Tuesday, they spoke in general terms about the human factor: "These catastrophes really result from the accumulation of a number of small errors that build up and line up eventually to create a sequence that results in an incident of this magnitude," Admiral John Richardson told the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Last month, ten sailors died when the USS John S. McCain collided with an oil tanker in a shipping channel off the coast of Singapore. And in June, seven sailors died when the USS Fitzgerald ran into a cargo ship in the Sea of Japan. "Every boat in the Gulf of Maine has a radar on it that tells us when there's another boat within a mile or two miles or five miles -- an alarm goes off, it shows up on your GPS," Sen. Angus King of Maine told Richardson. "How in the world does a billion dollar destroyer not know that there's a freighter closing in on it?" King asked. "Sir, (we) got the same questions," Richardson replied. "It's very hard to understand, with the sophisticated systems onboard these warships, that we'd let a ship get in that close, to the point of collision."

King also asked about the radars on the merchant ships: "Is there some technology that they couldn't see us?" "It wouldn't surprise anybody, I think, that we design our warships to have a lower radar cross-section, some designed to be very low," Richardson replied. "So that degree of stealth makes us more effective from a warfighting standpoint. But that also imposes a burden, if you will, on the crew of that (U.S.) ship to understand that they are low-observable and they may not be as easily seen as something that is as large as a destroyer. They'll have a radar cross-section of a ship that is much smaller."

Since the recent collisions, the Navy has directed its ships to turn on their Automatic Identification Systems, particularly in heavily trafficked areas, so other ships will know the U.S. Navy is in the area. Richardson also explained that for safety reasons, there are many redundancies on the bridge of an advanced Navy destroyer: "The watch team will be on the order of ten people. About four of those will be officers -- the officer of the deck, the junior officer of the deck, officer of the watch, conning officer. There'll be two lookouts, there'll be a quartermaster. And so there's plenty of people involved in this seamanship and navigation on the bridge. "They're supported by a team in the combat information center, which is also looking at electronic displays; they don't have windows, but they're backing them up," Richardson said.

And with respect to the technology, all critical systems, such as navigation, steering, and propulsion, all have back-up systems," Richardson added. "So there's a lot of redundancy built into these systems because they are so fundamental to safety. So now you get a sense...how could all of that break down so catastrophically to result in a collision of this magnitude? And that's why we have to do the thorough investigation.

Navy Admiral: Catastrophic Collisions Result From Accumulation of Small Errors

------------------------------------ sorry !!

 

[pismoe]

One big mistake comes from a lot of little ones...

Navy Admiral: Catastrophic Collisions Result From Accumulation of Small Errors
September 20, 2017 | - Navy officials are not ready to say what is causing U.S. Navy destroyers to collide with merchant vessels, but at a hearing on Tuesday, they spoke in general terms about the human factor: "These catastrophes really result from the accumulation of a number of small errors that build up and line up eventually to create a sequence that results in an incident of this magnitude," Admiral John Richardson told the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Last month, ten sailors died when the USS John S. McCain collided with an oil tanker in a shipping channel off the coast of Singapore. And in June, seven sailors died when the USS Fitzgerald ran into a cargo ship in the Sea of Japan. "Every boat in the Gulf of Maine has a radar on it that tells us when there's another boat within a mile or two miles or five miles -- an alarm goes off, it shows up on your GPS," Sen. Angus King of Maine told Richardson. "How in the world does a billion dollar destroyer not know that there's a freighter closing in on it?" King asked. "Sir, (we) got the same questions," Richardson replied. "It's very hard to understand, with the sophisticated systems onboard these warships, that we'd let a ship get in that close, to the point of collision."

King also asked about the radars on the merchant ships: "Is there some technology that they couldn't see us?" "It wouldn't surprise anybody, I think, that we design our warships to have a lower radar cross-section, some designed to be very low," Richardson replied. "So that degree of stealth makes us more effective from a warfighting standpoint. But that also imposes a burden, if you will, on the crew of that (U.S.) ship to understand that they are low-observable and they may not be as easily seen as something that is as large as a destroyer. They'll have a radar cross-section of a ship that is much smaller."

Since the recent collisions, the Navy has directed its ships to turn on their Automatic Identification Systems, particularly in heavily trafficked areas, so other ships will know the U.S. Navy is in the area. Richardson also explained that for safety reasons, there are many redundancies on the bridge of an advanced Navy destroyer: "The watch team will be on the order of ten people. About four of those will be officers -- the officer of the deck, the junior officer of the deck, officer of the watch, conning officer. There'll be two lookouts, there'll be a quartermaster. And so there's plenty of people involved in this seamanship and navigation on the bridge. "They're supported by a team in the combat information center, which is also looking at electronic displays; they don't have windows, but they're backing them up," Richardson said.

And with respect to the technology, all critical systems, such as navigation, steering, and propulsion, all have back-up systems," Richardson added. "So there's a lot of redundancy built into these systems because they are so fundamental to safety. So now you get a sense...how could all of that break down so catastrophically to result in a collision of this magnitude? And that's why we have to do the thorough investigation.

Navy Admiral: Catastrophic Collisions Result From Accumulation of Small Errors

----------------------------------------------------------- i say off the top of my head that its lack of discipline , hip hoppers , new navy , millenials , millenial commanders and chain of 'command' . See 'mrobamas' perfumed prince and boy named 'rear admiral john kirby ' to see an example of the problem with the Navy and other USA military services Waltky .

 

[waltky]

But won't it make them easier to find by enemy subs?...

Navy Ships in Crowded Seas to Broadcast Locations
1 Oct 2017 - The U.S. Navy will issue new directives that require ship commanders operating in congested seas to broadcast their ships' locations in an effort to avoid collisions, according to a report that aired on National Public Radio on Friday.

That's a significant change from the norm. To maintain proper operational security, known as OPSEC, the Navy typically doesn't advertise ship movements. But recent collisions at sea have top Navy brass reconsidering that protocol. According to the NPR report, Navy ships will be changing the way they employ the Automatic Identification System (AIS), which commercial vessels use as a tool to help avoid crashes.

The guided-missile destroyer USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62) returns to Fleet Activities Yokosuka on June 17, following a collision with a merchant vessel while operating southwest of Yokosuka, Japan.​

Retired Vice Adm. William Douglas Crowder, former commander of the U.S. Seventh Fleet and former deputy chief of naval operations, told NPR that Navy ships typically use AIS in receive-only mode, which allows them to see other vessels but doesn't let other ships see them. "AIS is certainly not the only means to avoid collisions at sea, but it's an important tool," author and former commercial ship captain John Konrad was quoted as saying. "It's important for situational awareness."

The guided-missile destroyer USS John S. McCain (DDG 56) steers toward Changi Naval Base in Singapore on Aug. 21, following a collision with a merchant ship east of the Straits of Malacca.​

Recent accidents involving Navy ships in the Pacific have killed 17 sailors. An Aug. 21 collision east of Singapore, involving the USS John S. McCain and a merchant ship, killed 10 sailors. On June 17, seven sailors died when the USS Fitzgerald collided with a merchant vessel off the coast of Japan. NPR reported that it still isn't clear whether the Fitzgerald was transmitting AIS at the time of the June collision, but it is known that the McCain was not, the report said.

Navy Ships in Crowded Seas to Broadcast Locations | Military.com

 

[waltky]

Mistakes in the USS Fitzgerald mishap...

Watchstanders Looking Wrong Way Before Fitzgerald Collision: Navy
1 Nov 2017 | Under the "international rules of the road" governing maneuver at sea, a ship crossing navigation paths with other vessels is obligated to give ships on its starboard, or right, side, the right of way. This entails maneuvering to stay clear of other ships and to avoid endangering them.

But when the guided-missile destroyer Fitzgerald approached the Philippines-flagged container ship ACX Crystal to its starboard side in the wee hours on June 17, no such precautions were taken, according to a new command investigation released Wednesday. The investigation, which faulted leaders and watchstanders for a series of poor choices and failures to act that ultimately resulted in a deadly collision, raised questions about fatigue levels and knowledge gaps that could have contributed to the errors. Moreover, investigators note, the ship had previously experienced a near-collision in mid-May, but hadn't taken steps to fix problems in operations. "Leadership made no effort to determine the root causes and take corrective actions to improve the ship's performance," they found. The investigation did not detail the causes or the circumstances of that near-miss.

The Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS Fitzgerald sits in Dry Dock 4 at Fleet Activities Yokosuka to continue repairs and assess damage sustained from its June 17, 2017 collision with a merchant vessel.​

The June 17 collision took place about 56 nautical miles to the southwest of Yokosuka, Japan. The ship had recently passed Oshima Island in the Philippine Sea, a busier shipping lane with increased traffic from merchant vessels. Around 1 a.m., as the Fitzgerald operated with the "darkened ship" procedures reserved for nighttime operations, it approached three merchant vessels traveling eastbound to the ship's starboard side. "The closest point of approach of these vessels and the Fitzgerald was minimal, with each presenting a risk of collision," investigators wrote.

The Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62) returns to Fleet Activities (FLEACT) Yokosuka, Japan, on June 17, 2017, following a collision with a merchant vessel.​

But the ship's crew appeared completely unaware of impending danger. From 1 a.m. to 1:30 a.m., when the Fitzgerald and the Crystal collided, the Fitzgerald remained on its course, cruising through the water at 20 knots. Neither vessel initiated bridge communications with the other or sounded a danger signal. Investigators found, among other things, that watchstanders performing physical lookout duties were doing so only on the port, or left, side of the ship, despite the fact that there were three ships presenting a possible collision threat on the starboard side. At 1:10 a.m., watchstanders tried to get a radar track on the Crystal, but were unsuccessful in doing so. Instead, the officer of the deck plotted out a radar track for a ship believed to be the Crystal, and determined it would pass 1,500 yards from the Fitzgerald on the starboard side. In fact, the two ships were on a collision course, and both were maintaining a high rate of speed.

FILE - In this June 18, 2017 photo, the damaged USS Fitzgerald is docked at the U.S. Naval base in Yokosuka after colliding with the container ship ACX Crystal off Japan.​

An official timeline shows indications of panic just before the ships collided. Three minutes before the collision, the officer of the deck ordered the Fitzgerald to change course, then immediately rescinded the order. Then, the officer of the deck ordered an increase to full speed and a rapid turn to the left. The order was not followed. One minute before the crash, the boatswain's mate of the watch took the helm and started giving orders. By then, the disaster was inevitable. Ultimately, seven sailors would die when their compartment, Berthing 2, was flooded. Among those who sustained significant injuries was the ship's commanding officer, Cmdr. Bryce Benson, who had to be rescued as he dangled from the side of a ship after his stateroom was destroyed. He would ultimately be medically evacuated from the ship.

Those killed in the collision include:

See also:

USS Fitzgerald Crash: No Physical Lookouts on Right Side of Ship Where Collision Happened
November 1, 2017 | "The sky was dark, the moon was relatively bright" on the night of June 17, when the USS Fitzgerald, a Navy destroyer, collided with a Phillipines-flagged container ship in the waters off Japan.

That's according to the U.S. Navy, which on Tuesday released its report on both the Fitzgerald and the USS McCain collisions at sea. Seven sailors died on the Fitzgerald, and collision of the USS McCain with a Libyan-flagged oil tanker two months later killed ten more sailors. Both crashes were avoidable, the Navy concluded, and stemmed from failure to follow international nautical rules as well as various knowledge, training, and leadership deficiencies.

One glaring omission on the Fitzgerald: “Watchstanders performing physical lookout duties did so only on Fitzgerald’s left (port) side, not on the right (starboard) side where the three ships were present with risk of collision.” The container ship slammed into the Fitzgerald’s starboard side.

In general, the Navy noted that the commanding officer has “absolute” responsibility for his or her ship. “Many of the decisions made that led to this incident were the result of poor judgment and decision making of the Commanding Officer,” the report said, adding that “no single person bears full responsibility for this incident.”

The report said Fitzgerald officers “possessed an unsatisfactory level of knowledge of the International Rules of the Nautical Road,” and “watch team members were not familiar with basic radar fundamentals, impeding effective use.”

Specifically: