US Democrats would kill healthcare over abortion

[☭proletarian☭]

Stupak got busted big time on Rachel Maddow's show last night. It was grand!

nobody saw it....

Then they're idiots.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Stupak got busted big time on Rachel Maddow's show last night. It was grand!

nobody saw it....

That's for sure. And those who did probably saw what they saw much differently than those who didn't watch would have seen it.

So you're saying you're not smart enough to realize that the Reps are arguing against themselves?

 

[Foxfyre]

nobody saw it....

That's for sure. And those who did probably saw what they saw much differently than those who didn't watch would have seen it.

So you're saying you're not smart enough to realize that the Reps are arguing against themselves?

The Republicans have always argued among themselves. I don't see what that has to do with one's interpretation of what was happening in that clip.

Do you usually arrive at perceptions that are such non sequiturs?

 

[Dr.House]

Stupak got busted big time on Rachel Maddow's show last night. It was grand!

nobody saw it....

Then they're idiots.

Takes one to know one, they say....

 

[slackjawed]

The argument that the republicans are the ones obstructing the bill is not nearly as funny as the fact that the democrats really are obstructing the bill.

 

[Foxfyre]

The argument that the republicans are the ones obstructing the bill is not nearly as funny as the fact that the democrats really are obstructing the bill.

That is true. The Democrats had such substantial majorities they didn't need a single Republican vote to pass the bills in the Senate and the House and the President will sign anything they send him so long as it is big, prohibitively expensive, socialist, and non-understandable.

 

[Ravi]

"Let's face it. I want to see healthcare. But we're not going to bypass the principles of belief that we feel strongly about," he said.

Well, fuck you. There is no reason a legal medical procedure shouldn't be covered.

 

[Valerie]

"Let's face it. I want to see healthcare. But we're not going to bypass the principles of belief that we feel strongly about," he said.

Well, fuck you. There is no reason a legal medical procedure shouldn't be covered.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

"Let's face it. I want to see healthcare. But we're not going to bypass the principles of belief that we feel strongly about," he said.

Well, fuck you. There is no reason a legal medical procedure shouldn't be covered.

What about breast augmentation, penile lengthening, or getting horns on one's head?

 

[Valerie]

"Let's face it. I want to see healthcare. But we're not going to bypass the principles of belief that we feel strongly about," he said.

Well, fuck you. There is no reason a legal medical procedure shouldn't be covered.

What about breast augmentation, penile lengthening, or getting horns on one's head?

Those will be subject to internal review based on medical necessity.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Well, fuck you. There is no reason a legal medical procedure shouldn't be covered.

What about breast augmentation, penile lengthening, or getting horns on one's head?

Those will be subject to internal review based on medical necessity.

Then, too abortions?

Abortions will not be covered save in medical emergency.

Therefore, if the current language (not covering abortions) is a de-facto ban, so to is your proposal.

 

[JakeStarkey]

WASHINGTON, March 4 (Reuters) - A dozen House of Representatives Democrats opposed to abortion are willing to kill President Barack Obama's healthcare reform plan unless it satisfies their demand for language barring the procedure, Representative Bart Stupak said on Thursday.

"Yes. We're prepared to take responsibility," Stupak said on ABC's "Good Morning America" when asked if he and his 11 Democratic allies were willing to accept the consequences for bringing down healthcare reform over abortion.

"Let's face it. I want to see healthcare. But we're not going to bypass the principles of belief that we feel strongly about," he said.

UPDATE 2-US Democrats would kill healthcare over abortion | Reuters

I have caught Reuters in some really sloppy journalism in the past, and suspect they may not be reading this issue right either.

I have heard several pro-life Democrats and Republicans state that they won't approve healthcare reform that allows funding for abortion on demand, but I don't believe I've head any one of them state that they won't vote for such a bill unless it bans abortion. I don't think any of the draft bills banned abortion--those that have been passed by the House or Senate--and those that haven't.

I don't think any of them have any problem with whatever private insurance covers or doesn't cover regarding abortion. And I don't know of any private insurance that doesn't cover whatever medical procedure including abortion when a qualified doctor determines that it is a medical necessity.

I think you are right. I don't believe any Democrat would not vote for the bill if it did not ban abortion altogether. No evidence anywhere exists for that conclusion.

 

[Valerie]

The White House says it does not intend its bill to change current U.S. law on abortion, and does not believe that the Senate healthcare bill, which Obama's plan resembles, would change the status quo.

"The president is not and will not change current federal law in dealing with abortions and healthcare," spokesman Robert Gibbs said at his daily news briefing on Thursday.

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, Obama's top adviser on health issues, said the White House was prepared to bar the use of federal money for abortion. "This will not change the status quo on the policy of abortion. There will be no federal funding for abortion," she said on the television program.

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"Let's face it. I want to see healthcare. But we're not going to bypass the principles of belief that we feel strongly about," he said.

Well, fuck you. There is no reason a legal medical procedure shouldn't be covered.

This is actually a very good reason why government should not be involved beyond insuring that our individual rights are protected and to the extent that we all have equal affordable access to quality private healthcare.....Let the government write legislation that puts the pinch on the insurance companies instead of the people! Each state already has Medicaid and Medicare...WHY does this bill need to pass NOW, I wonder???

 

[Anguille]

"Let's face it. I want to see healthcare. But we're not going to bypass the principles of belief that we feel strongly about," he said.

Well, fuck you. There is no reason a legal medical procedure shouldn't be covered.

If Stupak doesn't want an abortion then I support his choice not to have one. Meanwhile he should STFU about other people's choices and focus on healthcare, rather than on how to deny women access to abortion.

 

[Jon]

"Let's face it. I want to see healthcare. But we're not going to bypass the principles of belief that we feel strongly about," he said.

Well, fuck you. There is no reason a legal medical procedure shouldn't be covered.

Well, fuck you. There is no reason we should subsidize your decision to kill babies.

 

[saveliberty]

This bill is over a year old now. Talk about a late-term abortion! Time for 0bamacare to become Obamacared.

 

[Liability]

"Let's face it. I want to see healthcare. But we're not going to bypass the principles of belief that we feel strongly about," he said.

Well, fuck you. There is no reason a legal medical procedure shouldn't be covered.

If Stupak doesn't want an abortion then I support his choice not to have one. Meanwhile he should STFU about other people's choices and focus on healthcare, rather than on how to deny women access to abortion.

I had a neighbor who had a slightly crazy woman for a wife. Yet I SUPPORT his decision not to kill her!

Still, what we do in the privacy of our own homes is OUR business. So if YOU would have objected to his killing of his slightly crazy wife, maybe you would have been well-advised to just STFU about it?

Have I captured the spirit of your argument?

 

[sealybobo]

Just take the world ABORTION out of healthcare reform. Who gives a fuck. So it won't be covered. BFD! Us pro choicers don't give a fuck!!!

 

[Meister]

Just take the world ABORTION out of healthcare reform. Who gives a fuck. So it won't be covered. BFD! Us pro choicers don't give a fuck!!!

When you have somethiong like 2700 pages for this debacle of a bill, you can take the word abortion out of it, but it's still there. See the problem with this lame bill?

 

[Luissa]

"Let's face it. I want to see healthcare. But we're not going to bypass the principles of belief that we feel strongly about," he said.

Well, fuck you. There is no reason a legal medical procedure shouldn't be covered.

Well, fuck you. There is no reason we should subsidize your decision to kill babies.

There is also no reason to subsidize viagra, but we do.
It is legal medical procedure, and until it is not it should be funded.