US banks may have lost 3 bil in Libor scandal

[Truthmatters]

such a brain trust the right has.



the right has NO idea what to say about an issue the size of 3 billion dollars?


gee Im so surprized

 

[Rat in the Hat]

 

[Truthmatters]

Do you care that european banks ripped us off?

 

[Rat in the Hat]

 

[Truthmatters]

what an impressive level of world finance understanding you righties are able to display

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Do you even know what the words "may have" mean?

I give you a clue. They have nothing to do with certainty.

 

[Truthmatters]

Cases against UBS traders tip of the iceberg - Dec. 20, 2012

tip of the iceberg


thank you Phil Gramm for fucking this country but good

 

[Rat in the Hat]

I "may have" lost $3 Billion in my Cayman Islands investments.


Those damn British ripped off my Billions.

 

[Truthmatters]

rush will never discuss this so you wont either.

 

[Truthmatters]

see why they should not be the people telling us what to do for the economy?

they dont have answers all they have is republican talking points

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Current national debt = $16,366,743,303,663.74
Current national deficit = $1,089,000,000,000.00


Tell us again how both parties in Congress should be telling us what to do for the economy.

Vote them all out and find people who are willing to fix this mess before we become Greece.

 

[Truthmatters]

That is how the founders structured our government.


what the fuck do you think will change when the same people elect people just like the outed ones?

 

[Truthmatters]

How about the right pull its head out of its ass and quit promoting historically failed ideas?

 

[Truthmatters]

Tell us how unfettered markets would have prevented these losses?

 

[Rat in the Hat]

I helped your daily post count total enough today.

Enjoy all the money you get for the posts.

 

[Truthmatters]

what your masters still havent sent you your talking points?

 

[Rshermr]

what is the matter cant figure out a way to blame freddy and fanny for getting cheated out of billions?

Well, what would you expect. A con tool to blame a corporate entity, and a bank at that, for the great republican recession of 2008, and for further manipulation of the market. Nah. Now, if they found a government employee who took a buck from a bank, and got caught, they would be all over him.

Because, cons follow the repubs, who are owned by corporations. And saying something about an old heroe like Gramm, that is not appreciated by the cons. He is a heroe. So they will try to ignore the post.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Current national debt = $16,366,743,303,663.74
Current national deficit = $1,089,000,000,000.00


Tell us again how both parties in Congress should be telling us what to do for the economy.

Vote them all out and find people who are willing to fix this mess before we become Greece.

1) we are worse than Greece already since they are learning to live with in their means while we are printing money so we don't have to learn how to live within our means.


2) dear, Republicans have long had the way to fix this mess.
The Pledge, the debt ceiling limit, the Balanced Budget Amendment are all Republican innovations that Democrats have systematically killed for 200 years.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

for the great republican recession of 2008, .

our great newspapers and economists on left and right agree it was liberal government that caused the current depression.

"First consider the once controversial view that the crisis was largely caused by the Fed's holding interest rates too low for too long after the 2001 recession. This view is now so widely held that the editorial pages of both the NYTimes and the Wall Street Journal agree on its validity!"...John B. Taylor


" The Federal reserve having done so much to create the problems in which the economy is now mired, having mistakenly thought that even after the housing bubble burst the problems were contained, and having underestimated the severity of the crisis, now wants to make a contribution to preventing the economy from sinking into a Japanese Style malaise....... - "Joseph Stiglitz"( uber left economist)

You may not have heard of the Federal Reserve system but it exists to inflate and deflate the currency supply through the housing market. They inflated too much for too long. This caused what they call a housing bubble. While the bubble was inflating all the big banks and many insurance companies bought bubble mortgages thinking they were sound rather than merely purchased or made possible by newly printed funny money. When the bubble deflated they all lost money on the mortgages. It would be analogous to the government making cars and giving them to GM so everyone could have a car. If GM got them by the ton and for very little money of course they would find a way to move them . This is essentially what the Banks did with the free money. In addition to the Federal Reserve System you had Fanny and Freddie which bought and guaranteed many of the mortgages so no one had to worry about them failing. Then you had CRA, FHA, Federal Home Loan Bank Board( 3% down payment loans) and several others that were designed to get everybody in their own home.

When the states tried to move against predatory lending by national banks they were blocked by the bank's federal regulator, the office of the comptroller of the currency, That empowered money lenders say Lynn Turner.

Just as significantly you had very badly conceived accounting rules that hid the problems from everyone until it was too late. Accounting rules are supposed to do the opposite, not move billions in potential liabilities off the balance sheet onto tiny footnote on the bottom of a page as happened at Citibank, or onto on sentence at the end of a 10-Q report as happened at AIG, or as generally happened with SIVs (structured investment vehicles). Then you had gov't rules from the last crisis, the Enron Crisis, the created mark-to- market accounting rules for this crisis that many believe greatly exacerbated this crisis.

Then you had the problem with the government backed ratings agencies that simply failed to rate the mortgage backed and related securities, properly. Sorry, it had little to do with Bush, but had everything to do with inane attempts by the liberal to regulate the free market!


Warren Buffett: "There are significant limits to what regulation can accomplish. As a dramatic illustration, take two of the biggest accounting disasters in the past ten years: Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. We're talking billions and billions of dollars of misstatements at both places".

Now, these are two incredibly important institutions. I mean, they accounted for over 40% of the mortgage flow a few years back. Right now I think they're up to 70%. They're quasi-governmental in nature. So the government set up an organization called OFHEO. I'm not sure what all the letters stand for. [Note to Warren: They stand for Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight.] But if you go to OFHEO's website, you'll find that its purpose was to just watch over these two companies. OFHEO had 200 employees. Their job was simply to look at two companies and say, "Are these guys behaving like they're supposed to?" And of course what happened were two of the greatest accounting misstatements in history while these 200 people had their jobs. It's incredible. I mean, two for two!

“Whatever regulatory changes are made, they will pale in comparison to the change already evident in today’s markets,” he said. “Those markets for an indefinite future will be far more restrained than would any currently contemplated new regulatory regime.”-Alan Greenspan

Courtesy A. Smith:FDR created Fannie.
LBJ Privatized Fannie - creating an "enron" like environment:
Greg Mankiw's Blog: Thanks, LBJ

Carter's Community Reinvestment Act - accelerated by Clinton - pushed risky loans:
Community Reinvestment Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Clinton pushed Fannie into Subprime - the most critical mistake:
Andrew Cuomo and Fannie and Freddie - Page 1 - News - New York - Village Voice

Even the NY Times figured this out: Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending - NYTimes.com

Bush and McCain attempted to reform Fannie on 17 occasions
Bush Called For Reform of Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac 17 Times in 2008 Alone Only To Have Dems Ignored His Warnings :: Political News and commentaries :: Hyscience

The risky subprime loans fueled another layer of risk - derivatives
https://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewarticle/articleid/2947518

The LA Times reported on Clinton's "subprime" success in 1999:
Minorities' Home Ownership Booms Under Clinton but Still Lags Whites' - Los Angeles Times