US ambassador 'killed in Libya'. US consulate Benghazi stormed. 4 US officials "dead"

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  1. Peter Dow
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    I am shocked and horrified at this if it is confirmed and my sincere condolences to our American friends and loved ones.

    This incident confirms my concerns that diplomatic missions in "war-on-terror" countries are not being properly secured by being located in a properly secured and defended military bases.

    This reminds me of the storming of a UN base in Mazar-e-Sharif when 7 UN workers were killed in April 2011. The guy responsible at the time for UN security - Gregory B. Starr, the United Nations Under-Secretary-General for Safety and Security, is an American who used to be employed as the person responsible for the security of US diplomatic bases.

    I have further concerns that the US & NATO countries' military these days lack the military knowledge and competence even to able to secure our military bases. Bases can't be properly secured in or near an urban area. You need a security zone of cleared and controlled ground of at least 6 miles, but 10 miles is better, around a military base to keep enemy fire from rockets and mortars out of range.

    If you don't control the ground around a base this happens - 3 were killed at Bagram Air Base, Afghanistan yesterday.

    We've been at war in Afghanistan for nearly 11 years now and still the US and NATO military are operating out of insecure bases! Our supply routes in Afghanistan have never been secured and recently a decision by NATO-ISAF (commanded by a US general) was taken to close bases along the main highways in Afghanistan making the roads even more insecure.

    The military and security leaders we are depending on to keep our personnel safe during this war on terror are incompetent and our diplomats would be well advised to have no faith in them. If I was a diplomat in a country with security problems I would quit and come home until we get proper military and security people in charge.

    So there is a pattern here of incompetence at the very highest levels of leadership in the United States, NATO and the United Nations.

    The people in charge are incompetent and this is very serious folks. We need urgent action to get competent people in post. We need a shake up at the highest levels of government on the military and security side especially. This can't be allowed to go on.
     
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    You'll be accused of being a puke for posting that
     
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    And people are still second guessing Canada's disbanding it's embassy in Iran?

    If you do not, will not or cannot guarantee the safety and security of an Embassy in these fubar'd countries that have been radically Islamized and subject to spontaneous blow-out, then get the hell out! Easy peazy!
     
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    I wonder if Romney will make some kind of deal with the killers...a la..Reagan's deal with the American Hostage takers in Iran.
     
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    Usual lies.
     
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    Sounds good to me. Every single american official is a crook and traitor only interested in lining his own pockets.
     
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    Look what a U.S. led NATO operation in Libya has created.First,they aid & abet in arming radical Muslim agent provocateurs to go into Libya to stir up trouble to be blamed on Muammar Gaddafi,then a demonization campaign ensues to give a U.S. led NATO & and their armed radical Muslim mercenaries an excuse to remove Gaddafi.
    A U.S. led NATO & it's hired radical Muslim mercenaries decimated Libya in 2011 and has made things much much worse in Libya. What happened to the U.S. embassy and the U.S. Ambassador in Libya would have never happened under Gaddafi. Gaddafi wasn't the monster that was purposely portrayed in the Western media.The same M.O. is being used in Syria to remove Assad but this time Russia and China have put their foot down at the U.N. security council. Oh what a tangled web we weave...I believe the CIA call this blowback.
    Perhaps there was a method to the madness behind the U.S. led NATO operation in Libya and now in Syria. Like setting the stage for a major war?
     
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    Obama has ordered "heightened security" and the story so far is that means 50 more marines are on the way to Libya. That's an inadequate response.

    It's not enough to "order heightened security" if by that you mean ordering the same incompetent fools currently in charge of security to continue in post but to try to do a proper job this time despite still having no idea what to do.

    The President should -
    • Sack and replace the Secretary of Defense (Panetta) with someone who will sack incompetent generals and appoint competent ones
    • Sack and replace the Secretary of State (Clinton) with someone who will sack incompetent security officials and appoint competent ones
    • Close all vulnerable diplomatic embassies and consulates in countries with a war-on-terror connection, with an armed jihadi terrorist groups threat
    • Establish new secure embassies and consulates within new or existing military bases
    • Site new military bases for the embassies / consulates in rural areas where the land for 6 to 10 miles around the embassy can be occupied and controlled
    • Site about 60 defensive machine-gun posts 1000 metre / 1000 yard intervals around a circumference at a radius of 6 miles from the base,
    • Surround the machine gun posts with barbed wire and vehicle barriers
    • Man the 60 machine guns, 3 men per gun, 24/7 with a force of about 540 marines per base,
    • Vastly increase the size of the Marine Security Guard from the small force now of about 1000 to the many thousands of marines it will take to secure all the new bases
    Sorry "ordering heightened security" simply doesn't cut it.

    The stage was set for the war on terror 11 years ago.

    "The War on Terror", by Condoleezza Rice

    Act I Invade Afghanistan
    Act II Invade Iraq
    Act III The Arab Spring

    Welcome to Act IV, "The Arab Autumn"
    Scene 1. Libya on the brink :cool:
     
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    Yep. The marines should've been in place yesterday. It's a bit late now. FAIL!
     
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    The stage was set for the "war on terror" RACKET 11 years ago by the staged attacks on the Pentagon and WTC. If you read George Orwell's 1984 or seen the movie you'll remember Immanuel Goldstein, the villain who everybody was brainwashed to hate. During the propaganda seminars when his face was put up on the screen and an audio of his speech was aired, this incited the indoctrinated masses to boo and hiss.
    The Globalist power elite have wrapped their tyranny in the American flag and gave the American people an enemy to hate by setting up situations in Muslim countries that have resulted in utter chaos which incites the anger of it's people and then this gets plastered all over the Media and then this triggers the anger of Americans who have been indoctrinated by staged events harped on in the Media to foster hatred of Muslims/Arabs. See how this works? The Globalist power elite are purposely destabilizing parts of the Middle East because they have an agenda for domination. The globalist power elite are playing both sides off against the Middle. These Muslim/Arab countries are tired of being invaded and having their loved ones killed...they're tired of having their resources exploited by colonialist imperialist powers.
     
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