Urban Heat Islands and Temperature Observations

[JenyEliza]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936289.ece

This weekend it emerged that the unit has thrown away much of the data. Tucked away on its website is this statement: “Data storage availability in the 1980s meant that we were not able to keep the multiple sources for some sites ... We, therefore, do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (ie, quality controlled and homogenised) data.”

If true, it is extraordinary. It means that the data on which a large part of the world’s understanding of climate change is based can never be revisited or checked. Pielke said: “Can this be serious? It is now impossible to create a new temperature index from scratch. [The unit] is basically saying, ‘Trust us’.”

 

[Big Fitz]

The great climate change science scandal - Times Online

This weekend it emerged that the unit has thrown away much of the data. Tucked away on its website is this statement: “Data storage availability in the 1980s meant that we were not able to keep the multiple sources for some sites ... We, therefore, do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (ie, quality controlled and homogenised) data.”

If true, it is extraordinary. It means that the data on which a large part of the world’s understanding of climate change is based can never be revisited or checked. Pielke said: “Can this be serious? It is now impossible to create a new temperature index from scratch. [The unit] is basically saying, ‘Trust us’.”

Oy! always a good basis for science.

 

[The T]

Better than the voodoo you're pimping.

Not hardly.

CO2 in the atmosphere caused the Earth to retain heat.

Why is Venus hotter than Mercury?

Primarily because of avraging. We've discussed this here before. The orbit of mercury and the rotation of Mercury take about the same amount of time.

The Solar wind long ago stripped away anything on the surface of Mercury that wasn't pretty securely attached. This includes any atmosphere. Due to this lack of atmosphere of any kind, the surface temperature is completely dominated by the radiation of the Sun. The slow rotation allows the dark side of Mercury to cool pretty completely while the lit side gets pretty warm. Much warmer than Venus.

Luckily for Venus, the atmosphere is not compatible with Man so it will remain the paradise that it has become.

You omit Mars from your consideration. Mars has a higher amount of CO2 in the atmosphere than Earth, but no water vapor. When I say a higher amount, I mean more per cubic foot, not as a percent of the total. Mars is far cooler than Earth. Far cooler than any of the inner planets.

The temperature differences are too great to be compared without endless caveats. However, within those differences are variations. Of late, all of the inner planets, including Earth, have had increasing temperatures, have they not?

Might not this common overall increase indicate a cause common to all of the inner planets?

For the lifeforms that currently exist on this rock? They owe their existence to this rock's position in this Solar system. A few hundred thousand mles closer to SOL? Burn...A few hundred thousand miles farther away? Freeze...

And what can WE do about it? Zero. Enjoy the ride.

 

[Chris]

Better than the voodoo you're pimping.

Not hardly.

CO2 in the atmosphere caused the Earth to retain heat.

Why is Venus hotter than Mercury?

Primarily because of avraging. We've discussed this here before. The orbit of mercury and the rotation of Mercury take about the same amount of time.

The Solar wind long ago stripped away anything on the surface of Mercury that wasn't pretty securely attached. This includes any atmosphere. Due to this lack of atmosphere of any kind, the surface temperature is completely dominated by the radiation of the Sun. The slow rotation allows the dark side of Mercury to cool pretty completely while the lit side gets pretty warm. Much warmer than Venus.

Luckily for Venus, the atmosphere is not compatible with Man so it will remain the paradise that it has become.

You omit Mars from your consideration. Mars has a higher amount of CO2 in the atmosphere than Earth, but no water vapor. When I say a higher amount, I mean more per cubic foot, not as a percent of the total. Mars is far cooler than Earth. Far cooler than any of the inner planets.

The temperature differences are too great to be compared without endless caveats. However, within those differences are variations. Of late, all of the inner planets, including Earth, have had increasing temperatures, have they not?

Might not this common overall increase indicate a cause common to all of the inner planets?

Thanks for avoiding the question.

Why is Venus hotter than Mercury?

 

[Chris]

You're correct about the CO2; it can't be that and the science backs it up.

ManBearPig, 384 PPM still means 384 parts per million, CO2 is not 1%, it's not even 1/10 of 1%; it's a rounding error.

And CO2 is a powerful greenhouse gas.

And now the arctic methane may kick in, which is 20 times more powerful than CO2.

97% of all CO2 originates from nature. The methane you warn of comes from nature. We need to pass laws that regulat nature.

Good luck with that.

We have doubled the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere in the last 200 years by pumping billions of extra CO2 into the atmosphere.

That extra CO2 is leading us to a tipping point which will release the methane trapped in the arctic tundra. That's the biggest danger of all.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

 

[The T]

And CO2 is a powerful greenhouse gas.

And now the arctic methane may kick in, which is 20 times more powerful than CO2.

97% of all CO2 originates from nature. The methane you warn of comes from nature. We need to pass laws that regulat nature.

Good luck with that.

We have doubled the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere in the last 200 years by pumping billions of extra CO2 into the atmosphere.

That extra CO2 is leading us to a tipping point which will release the methane trapped in the arctic tundra. That's the biggest danger of all.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

CO2 is NOT a pollutant. Without it? Life ceases to EXIST as we know it...But keep perpetuating the lie Chris. While you're at it? Why not flood this Forum with a few more lying threads as you have?

You've been PW3ND! Admit it. You too are a resident of the Universe of LIES...

 

[Toronado3800]

CO2 is NOT a pollutant.

T!!!!!!!!!

Hmmmm, an extreme example.........

imagine the negative effects of being suck in an airtight room with a machine that converts Oxygen to something virtually harmless like Nitrogen. Eventually U die.

imagine being trapped in an air tight 10 x 10 clear glass room sitting in the sun with a machine which creates CO2. I'm going to sit in an identical one with a few plants which will help maintain the atmospheric balance. Your 10 x 10 box is going to get warmer.

 

[Big Fitz]

Not hardly.

CO2 in the atmosphere caused the Earth to retain heat.

Why is Venus hotter than Mercury?

Primarily because of avraging. We've discussed this here before. The orbit of mercury and the rotation of Mercury take about the same amount of time.

The Solar wind long ago stripped away anything on the surface of Mercury that wasn't pretty securely attached. This includes any atmosphere. Due to this lack of atmosphere of any kind, the surface temperature is completely dominated by the radiation of the Sun. The slow rotation allows the dark side of Mercury to cool pretty completely while the lit side gets pretty warm. Much warmer than Venus.

Luckily for Venus, the atmosphere is not compatible with Man so it will remain the paradise that it has become.

You omit Mars from your consideration. Mars has a higher amount of CO2 in the atmosphere than Earth, but no water vapor. When I say a higher amount, I mean more per cubic foot, not as a percent of the total. Mars is far cooler than Earth. Far cooler than any of the inner planets.

The temperature differences are too great to be compared without endless caveats. However, within those differences are variations. Of late, all of the inner planets, including Earth, have had increasing temperatures, have they not?

Might not this common overall increase indicate a cause common to all of the inner planets?

Thanks for avoiding the question.

Why is Venus hotter than Mercury?

IIRC it depends on which side of the planet you're on.

 

[Big Fitz]

T!!!!!!!!!

Hmmmm, an extreme example.........

imagine the negative effects of being suck in an airtight room with a machine that converts Oxygen to something virtually harmless like Nitrogen. Eventually U die.

imagine being trapped in an air tight 10 x 10 clear glass room sitting in the sun with a machine which creates CO2. I'm going to sit in an identical one with a few plants which will help maintain the atmospheric balance. Your 10 x 10 box is going to get warmer.

The same can be said for oxygen or methane, or any trace gases. The problem is, it's not a relevant comparison.

 

[The T]

CO2 is NOT a pollutant.

T!!!!!!!!!

Hmmmm, an extreme example.........

imagine the negative effects of being suck in an airtight room with a machine that converts Oxygen to something virtually harmless like Nitrogen. Eventually U die.

imagine being trapped in an air tight 10 x 10 clear glass room sitting in the sun with a machine which creates CO2. I'm going to sit in an identical one with a few plants which will help maintain the atmospheric balance. Your 10 x 10 box is going to get warmer.

Can't IMAGINE IT, because it will NEVER happen, and in the Earth's History (Even without us)...isn't TRUE without LARGER FORCES like a Meteor/Asteroid/Comet...[NOT MAN-MADE Occurences, *I* assure you]

So please? TRY to remain realistic? NONE of the data points even REMOTELY to what you have presented is that by the HAND OF MAN. (In this context)

 

[The T]

T!!!!!!!!!

Hmmmm, an extreme example.........

imagine the negative effects of being suck in an airtight room with a machine that converts Oxygen to something virtually harmless like Nitrogen. Eventually U die.

imagine being trapped in an air tight 10 x 10 clear glass room sitting in the sun with a machine which creates CO2. I'm going to sit in an identical one with a few plants which will help maintain the atmospheric balance. Your 10 x 10 box is going to get warmer.

The same can be said for oxygen or methane, or any trace gases. The problem is, it's not a relevant comparison.

Of course. because it dissipates. If anything Catastrophic should happen as this? It won't be by the hand of man short of a Nuclear blast...but then there won't be anyone around to care...

 

[code1211]

Not hardly.

CO2 in the atmosphere caused the Earth to retain heat.

Why is Venus hotter than Mercury?

Primarily because of avraging. We've discussed this here before. The orbit of mercury and the rotation of Mercury take about the same amount of time.

The Solar wind long ago stripped away anything on the surface of Mercury that wasn't pretty securely attached. This includes any atmosphere. Due to this lack of atmosphere of any kind, the surface temperature is completely dominated by the radiation of the Sun. The slow rotation allows the dark side of Mercury to cool pretty completely while the lit side gets pretty warm. Much warmer than Venus.

Luckily for Venus, the atmosphere is not compatible with Man so it will remain the paradise that it has become.

You omit Mars from your consideration. Mars has a higher amount of CO2 in the atmosphere than Earth, but no water vapor. When I say a higher amount, I mean more per cubic foot, not as a percent of the total. Mars is far cooler than Earth. Far cooler than any of the inner planets.

The temperature differences are too great to be compared without endless caveats. However, within those differences are variations. Of late, all of the inner planets, including Earth, have had increasing temperatures, have they not?

Might not this common overall increase indicate a cause common to all of the inner planets?

Thanks for avoiding the question.

Why is Venus hotter than Mercury?

Helpful hint:

Revisit the original response above and this time face the screen while reading.