UPDATE: Heartland Documents Stolen and key one is Fake. No “insider” leak.

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    UPDATE: Heartland documents stolen and key one is fake. No insider leak. FakeGate! « JoNova: Science, carbon, climate and tax

    Major embarrassment for Joe Romm, and DeSmog and their unthinking fans.

    In the hours after the ClimateGate emails were released, skeptics asked about their authenticity (as we are want to do). In the hours after the Heartland Documents (including at least one complete fake) were released, the commentators on the other side did not even ask (just as they uncritically accept any weak report in favour of their pet theory).

    They leapt to their defamatory conclusions in a smear-fest. At least one person out there has probably committed a criminal act. The rest are guilty of small brained unskeptical blind hatred, defamation, and ignorance. And will any of them apologize? I’ll be shocked if even one has the decency or manners.

    We should not allow them to forget it. DeSmog=DeSmear. They are a group happy to promote lies with no compunction. They are not interested in the truth, just in the PR. Oh the fool journalists who think the paid hacks at DeSmog ever had anything to say on science that was not biased or deceitful. Richard Littlemore, where is your apology? Instead, knowing the document is

    faked, he continues to promote it. So does Brad Johnson, and Joe Romm.
     
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    it reminds me of the fake documents used against baby bush in 2004. remember Dan Rather stating they were 'fake' but 'accurate'? hahahaha.

    the other point worth recognizing is the paltry amount of money involved. Anthony Watts asked for 88,000 dollars to fund an online temperature depository. compare that to the hundreds of millions given to the official temp databases which should already have all the raw information online for anyone to use. hell, the 88,000 probably is less than the undeclared travel expenses Hansen receives every year.

    can you imagine how much more Steve McIntyre could accomplish if he had funding for an intern to help him?
     
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    dick!
     
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    FAKEGATE?!?! Automatic FAIL.
     
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    As typically cogent and substantive as all AGW supporters' comments. :clap2:
     
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    How else does one respond to something like that? There's no substance. :doubt:
     
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    Who cares.................

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    The hopelessly naive dont get it. They are like football fans of a team that is losing 52-0 and scores a fluke touchdown making the score 52-7 and they are doing back flips and high fives!!:2up::boobies::boobies::coffee:
     
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    Lol
     
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    Sure the documents are fake....just like Obamas birth certificate

    The feeble tactics of the right wing luatics is so transparent

    Especially when they are caught with their pants down
     
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    You are such a gullible retard, britbrat. "One document is fake" just because the people implicated say it's fake? No evidence or proof that it is fake but because they say it is, you believe them and conclude that it all must be "fake". LOL. How about the independent verification, dumbass?

    Heartland Institute's Leaked Documents Reveal Climate Skepticism Efforts
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    Heartland is one of the loudest voices denying man-made global warming, hosting the largest international scientific conference of skeptics on climate change. Several of its documents were leaked this week to the news media, showing the planning and money behind its efforts. Heartland said some of the documents weren't accurate, but declined to be more specific. Because Heartland was not specific about what was fake and what was real, The Associated Press attempted to verify independently key parts of separate budget and fundraising documents that were leaked. The federal consultant working on the classroom curriculum, the former TV weatherman, a Chicago elected official who campaigns against hidden local debt and two corporate donors all confirmed to the AP that the sections in the document that pertained to them were accurate. No one the AP contacted said the budget or fundraising documents mentioning them were incorrect.

    The most sensational parts of the documents — and much of what has been confirmed independently — had to do with global warming and efforts to spread doubt into what mainstream scientists are saying. Experts long have thought Heartland and other groups were working to muddy the waters about global warming, said Harry Lambright, a Syracuse University public policy professor who specializes in environment, science and technology issues. "Scientifically there is no controversy. Politically, there is a controversy because there are political interest groups making it a controversy," Lambright said. "It's not about science. It's about politics. To some extent they are winning the battle." A 2010 study in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences surveyed more than 1,300 most cited and published climate scientists and found that 97 percent of them said climate change was a man-made problem. Yet, public opinion polls show far more doubt in the American public.
     

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