Unpatriotic, Anti American.

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    If you have the time and patience please feel free to read this.

    It is my belief, feel free to attack or praise it.

    What’s with “Unpatriotic” “Anti America”

    This is a term thrown around by US citizens in a negative way toward citizens expressing their rights in a Democratic society.

    If Australians or Italians fought against government policies they didn’t believe in, are they being Anti Australian or Anti Italian?

    No, they are standing up for what they believe in as Australians and Italians.

    This is what Democracy is all about.

    In America people who fight for what they believe in and feel is right is some how construed as Unpatriotic.

    Americans have the freedom and the right to disagree with the people elected into power, because that’s what Democracy is.

    How is it “Anti American” to exercise the very right we are fighting for in Iraq?

    How is it fair for the government to use the populous as pawns in a political battle?

    Does anyone see that there are people dying on BOTH sides?

    Democrats and Republicans are too busy with their political bullshit to seriously address the problem and work quickly to find a solution.

    Too busy spinning the issues to attract some kind of insane favoritism in the polls.

    Everyone is so distracted with an issue that has been fabricated and framed.

    The actual problem is not being addressed, and if it is, it’s being dealt with so slowly and so lightly it makes the public feel that it really isn’t all that important an issue to our elected officials, we are somehow expected to go on with our daily lives and be patient and mind our own business when it comes to politics we arent meant to understand.

    Both sides are guilty in this, I don’t care your stance, a resolution or plan of action is absolutely a necessity, and the people we elected, the people we entrusted with this job, are dicking around. Going on holidays and conventions, holding press conferences as a means of communication, instead of talking and working toward resolving this, its been months what have they accomplished?

    Nothing.

    Going back a few years

    I don’t remember ANY outcry from the Iraqi people to be “rescued” from Saddam, I don’t remember anyone from Iraq going before the World Court requesting intervention from another country to remove Saddam.

    Our elected officials, our Democratically elected officials invaded another country without probable cause, all based on the fear and assumptions generated by 9/11, which they used to manipulate and then fed us through constant political propagandist repetition.

    I can say this confidently now that the facts are coming to light,

    that all evidence for the invasion presented by our elected government wasn’t thoroughly investigated beyond all reasonable doubt as to its validity.

    And yet here we are, arguing about whether to stay or abandon our occupation of another country.

    WE started this, we all did, every American, when we went along so blindly and unquestioningly with what our Democratically Elected officials told us.

    Our media is responsible for not taking varied standpoints on anything, they stepped in line to the drum beat of war amplifying fears and subsequently silencing any voices of dissent, and “WE” the bewildered herd obediently fell into step, repeating what they told us, screaming about terrorists and mushroom clouds, and buying duct tape.

    And anyone who raised a question was immediately singled out and labeled “Anti American” for not following our leader in a time of war.

    A climate of war that was manufactured from the top down.

    Instead of calling for a peaceful investigation The reaction of our government officials was to fabricate a casefor war on pre-selected targets, of obvious strategic economical and political value.

    Anyone who didn’t buy the hype and propaganda the media so readily delivered was somehow “unpatriotic” in asking for more proof, and evidence in favor of what the government was proposing.

    The United States of America invaded another country! Again, under the guise of spreading Peace and Democracy.

    To this day, at least 65,000 people or more from that country have died.

    And all we are arguing about is whether to stay and fix the situation we have created, or to leave.

    What is wrong with that?

    Can anyone even fathom that kind of situation here in America? Can anyone imagine 65,000 American citizens dying at the hands of an invading force?

    And the fact that Americans speak out against this is some how “Unpatriotic” and “Anti American”

    Are we War Mongers?

    A society that feeds off the blood and suffering of others in the search of self righteous Democracy? Playing it off like it doesn’t effect any of us? It appears that as long as it’s not on American soil that’s all that matters?

    Are we so far removed from the real world that what the US has done could not possibly be considered wrong by anyone other than “Unpatriotic Anti Americans”?

    We support our troops for doing what they were told. As we should.

    But we never questioned what they were being told, That is everyone's fault, those voices were silenced and chastised as "Unpatriotic".

    We were all swept up and hurried along in making the decision for war, because too much time and not enough fear would make ANY rational person question the reasons, motives, and consequences of something as incredibly significant as going to war.

    This may come across as self righteous and you can argue with me and have your opinions freely expressed and heard, but you must ask yourself one thing;

    Without the government and the media scaring everyone, would we be in this situation?

    If everyone wasn’t so brainwashed into thinking that tomorrow or next week we will be attacked by a people we knew literally nothing about and have no understanding of, would we be where we are today?

    Pettily Arguing whether or not to clean up a mess we created?

    WE all have a guilty hand in this because we all willingly sat by and so obediently allowed the people we elected into power to do what they pleased, we freely let the fear they fed us to overcome reason.

    It is ridiculous to me that those who rationally questioned motives were called “Unpatriotic and Anti American”, that is insane.

    It is insane to me that the suppression of these voices is not viewed as “Unpatriotic” it stands against everything America has fought and died for in the past, which in my eyes, makes all the voices silencing the dissent “Anti American”

    Republican Conservatives hide behind the hollowly constructed wall of patriotism to rally the population behind whatever cause has been so carefully selected.

    I take this from the Daily Show - What if the Democrats renamed the Time tables and dates for withdrawal - “Freedom Deadlines” or “Patriot dates” even “Glory Goals” What patriotic American wouldn’t stand behind a “Glory Goal” - John Stewart.

    When you argue in favor of the war, you argue in favor of fear and government policy, you argue and hide behind the infallible patriotic protection of America.

    How is it unpatriotic to argue against Occupation and Invasion, arguing against death?

    How is it Unpatriotic in arguing for accountability?

    How is it unpatriotic to demand rational leadership?

    How is it unpatriotic to demand a plan of action in regards to a situation that has spun out of control beyond anything anyone has ever imagined?

    The Left and Right have polarized the issues and bogged down the public minds and American society, all but halting all progress in our democratic government.

    No one should be arguing the validity of Politically framed “surrender dates”, no one should be arguing “patriotism”.

    We should be standing up and demanding resolution from the people we democratically chose to make these decisions.
     
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    I agree completely.

    I find the charges of anti-Americanism from the right to be the worst sort of slander. They spit on the very freedoms that our forefathers fought and died to establish and protect. They value party and president over country and I think that is, in itself, despicable if not treasonous behavior.
     
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    The fact is, whether or not you consider it exercising your right to free speech, some stances are self-evidently defined as "unpatriotic" and "unAmerican."

    If you feel strongly enough that you are correct in your beliefs, then those labels should not bother you, nor should you be looking to call them something other than what they are for the stigma those labels carry.

    If I have the balls to believe it and say it, you damned sure won't see me running from being accused of it.
     
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    Not to be confused with actual, unAmerican and/or unpatriotic beliefs and/or behavior. There ARE such things.

    I agree that using the terms as a baseless personal attack are nothing but slander, and more often than not, a feeble attempt to hide the lack of an argument.
     
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    If I have the balls to believe it and say it, you damned sure won't see me running from being accused of it.


    I have the balls to say that I disagree with the path this president is taking us....I will not RUN from being accused of treason for that remark, I will, instead, stand and strongly object to such a slanderous mischaracterization of my words.
     
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    I hate to break the news to you, but I do not consider your political POV treasonous at all. I don't always agree with your POV, but I hardly consier it even close to meeting the definition of treason, unAmerican or unpatriotic.

    Treason has a specific, no-guesswork definition due to the seriousness of the crime and the punishment involved.
     
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    Oh, and as an added note for those who may wish to disagree, treason is a crime against the NATION, not political opposition to a politician and/or political party.

    I realize there are some who cannot differentiate between the two, but it's rather obvious.
     
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    The political mud has been thrown and doesnt easily wash off.

    Its easy to call someone unpatriotic, and Anti American, refuting the statements is pointless, the damage is done.

    Americans calling Americans names instead of making things right.
     
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    I believe if you read my response to maineman, you will see that I differentiate between something actually being unAmerican/unpatriotic, and the terms being used as as baseless political slander.

    I will also point out that there are liberal posters on THIS board who use the exact same mud to sling at conservatives for some of their beliefs. It's a two-way street, and it isn't right in either direction.
     
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    I KNOW that YOU don't consider my POV treasonous. I have the utmost respect and admiration for your opinion and your ethics. I don't want you to think that I ever even IMPLIED that you thought otherwise
     

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