University of Guantanamo Bay Torture

[SFC Ollie]

It's all in which school of thought you want to believe.

 

[Bfgrn]

It's all in which school of thought you want to believe.

OK, let's try this approach Ollie. It will require you to use your imagination and some common sense...OK?

First: Here are some pictures. Click on images (warning: graphic material from Abu Ghraib)

http://moviereviewh2one2.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/abu-ghraib-tm.jpg?w=480&h=432

http://www.uruknet.info/pic.php?f=abu_ghraib_recrop1102.jpg

http://declubz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/torture.jpg

http://politicolnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/abu-ghraib-leash-300x253.jpg

NOW, here is where I need you to use your imagination and some common sense.

In those pictures, the person under the hood, being threatened by dogs, lying in a pool of his own blood and at the end of a leash is AN AMERICAN soldier, being tortured by Muslims.

What do you think the response would be in America? Apathy? Acceptance? OR...do you 'think' Army and Marine recruiting offices would see long lines of eager recruits who would love to 'cut the dick off and stick it in the mouth' of those Muslims?

Take your time........................

 

[SFC Ollie]

It's all in which school of thought you want to believe.

OK, let's try this approach Ollie. It will require you to use your imagination and some common sense...OK?

First: Here are some pictures.

NOW, here is where I need you to use your imagination and some common sense.

In those pictures, the person under the hood, being threatened by dogs, lying in a pool of his own blood and at the end of a leash is AN AMERICAN soldier, being tortured by Muslims.

What do you think the response would be in America? Apathy? Acceptance? OR...do you 'think' Army and Marine recruiting offices would see long lines of eager recruits who would love to 'cut the dick off and stick it in the mouth' of those Muslims?

Take your time........................

Your point is mute. All these people were charged for these instances. They broke the rules.

 

[Bfgrn]

It's all in which school of thought you want to believe.

OK, let's try this approach Ollie. It will require you to use your imagination and some common sense...OK?

First: Here are some pictures. Click on images (warning: graphic material from Abu Ghraib)

http://moviereviewh2one2.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/abu-ghraib-tm.jpg?w=480&h=432

http://www.uruknet.info/pic.php?f=abu_ghraib_recrop1102.jpg

http://declubz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/torture.jpg

http://politicolnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/abu-ghraib-leash-300x253.jpg

NOW, here is where I need you to use your imagination and some common sense.

In those pictures, the person under the hood, being threatened by dogs, lying in a pool of his own blood and at the end of a leash is AN AMERICAN soldier, being tortured by Muslims.

What do you think the response would be in America? Apathy? Acceptance? OR...do you 'think' Army and Marine recruiting offices would see long lines of eager recruits who would love to 'cut the dick off and stick it in the mouth' of those Muslims?

Take your time........................

Your point is mute. All these people were charged for these instances. They broke the rules.

My point isn't mute Ollie. You don't understand my question.

Do you believe if those were images of American soldiers being tortured that it would create thousands of American recruits who would volunteer to settle the score?

 

[Father Time]

9. Sleep Deprivation (more than 48 hours)
(Bradbury Memo, May 10, 2005)

I get the heebie-jeebies just thinking of those No-Doz days, and nights.

“…In lieu of standing sleep deprivation, a detainee may instead by seated on and shackled to a small stoo. The stool supports the detainee’s weight, but is too small to permit the subject to balance himself sufficiently to go to sleep…”

I’ve been in college lectures in similar situations.

You've had college lectures that lasted more than 48 hours?

I've attended exams, and lectures after having to study for extended periods...

...so good to see that you agree with the other nine.

I never said that I just thought I'd comment on the most ridiculous claim

 

[SFC Ollie]

OK, let's try this approach Ollie. It will require you to use your imagination and some common sense...OK?

First: Here are some pictures. Click on images (warning: graphic material from Abu Ghraib)

http://moviereviewh2one2.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/abu-ghraib-tm.jpg?w=480&h=432

http://www.uruknet.info/pic.php?f=abu_ghraib_recrop1102.jpg

http://declubz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/torture.jpg

http://politicolnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/abu-ghraib-leash-300x253.jpg

NOW, here is where I need you to use your imagination and some common sense.

In those pictures, the person under the hood, being threatened by dogs, lying in a pool of his own blood and at the end of a leash is AN AMERICAN soldier, being tortured by Muslims.

What do you think the response would be in America? Apathy? Acceptance? OR...do you 'think' Army and Marine recruiting offices would see long lines of eager recruits who would love to 'cut the dick off and stick it in the mouth' of those Muslims?

Take your time........................

Your point is mute. All these people were charged for these instances. They broke the rules.

My point isn't mute Ollie. You don't understand my question.

Do you believe if those were images of American soldiers being tortured that it would create thousands of American recruits who would volunteer to settle the score?

I am a realist, you know the answer you want. But I don't normally deal in "what ifs".

 

[Vanquish]

What kind of bullshit, side-stepping cowardly answer is that, SFC?

You know that graphic pictures would elicit a membership drive and more bloodshed. It's just not politically comfortable for you to answer.

 

[SFC Ollie]

What kind of bullshit, side-stepping cowardly answer is that, SFC?

You know that graphic pictures would elicit a membership drive and more bloodshed. It's just not politically comfortable for you to answer.

See, you knew the answer he wanted too.....

 

[Shooter]

Regardless of what you may think of "torture" those enhanced interrogation tecniques look to have gained intel that lead to OBL. So I'm glad it all worked out.

 

[Bfgrn]

Regardless of what you may think of "torture" those enhanced interrogation tecniques look to have gained intel that lead to OBL. So I'm glad it all worked out.

Former Military Interrogator Matthew Alexander: Torture "Slowed Down" Effort to Find Osama bin Laden

Here is an interview with Matthew Alexander, a former senior military interrogator in Iraq and the man who headed the team of interrogators who successfully hunted down Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq and the mastermind of the campaign of suicide bombings that had helped plunge Iraq into civil war.

QUESTION: What do you make of this debate that is raging right now about torture and its effectiveness?

MATTHEW ALEXANDER: The debate is skewed at this point. And one reason why is because we don't know all the details, and secondly, because a lot is being left out of the conversation. And let me talk a little bit about that. One of the things that people aren't talking about is the fact that one of the people that was confronted with this information that bin Laden had a courier is Skaykh al-Libi, who was held in a CIA secret prison and was tortured and who gave his CIA interrogators the name of the courier as being Maulawi Jan. And the CIA chased down that information and found out that person didn't exist, that al-Libi had lied. And nobody is talking about the fact that al-Libi caused us to waste resources and time by chasing a false lead because he was tortured.

The other thing that's being left out of this conversation is the fact that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed certainly knew the real name of the courier, whose nom de guerre or nickname was Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti. But Khalid Sheikh Mohammed had to have known his real name or at least how to find him, a location that we might look, but he never gave up that information. And so, what we're seeing is that waterboarding and enhanced interrogation techniques, just like professional interrogators have been saying for years, always result in either limited information, false information or no information.

QUESTION: And yet, what's happening now is being used by many to justify torture.

MATTHEW ALEXANDER: That's correct. And, you know, when you look at the use of waterboarding and enhanced interrogation techniques in the case of the trail of evidence that leads to Osama bin Laden, what you find is, time and time again, it slows down the chase. In 2003, when we--or '02, when we have Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, we have the person most likely to be able to lead us to bin Laden, and yet we don't get to him until 2011. You know, by any interrogation standard, eight years is a long time to not get information from people, and that's probably directly related to the fact that he was waterboarded 183 times.

 

[Bones]

For those who support waterboarding and other "advanced interrogation techniques", how about you have a friend come over and subject you to all of them for a month straight.

You'd bow out within a week.

 

[SFC Ollie]

For those who support waterboarding and other "advanced interrogation techniques", how about you have a friend come over and subject you to all of them for a month straight.

You'd bow out within a week.

Yeah those harsh techniques are so much worse than just shooting someone down....

 

[Mr.Nick]

Regardless of what you may think of "torture" those enhanced interrogation tecniques look to have gained intel that lead to OBL. So I'm glad it all worked out.

..

The same cop on this video beat a poor father into a false confession. He beat a guy until the suspect admitted he did it Jerry Hobbs was the fall guy...

See what happened in that case.

 

[Shooter]

I'm going to go with the Director of the CIA who stated waterboarding and other enhanced interrogation tecniques led to OBL.

If any of you can show that you have more knowledge, credentials or have higher security clearance than Panetta then I'll definitely lend more weight to your argument. Anything short of that and I have to side with the Director of the CIA.

 

[PoliticalChic]

For those who support waterboarding and other "advanced interrogation techniques", how about you have a friend come over and subject you to all of them for a month straight.

You'd bow out within a week.

None of the perps were subjected to same " for a month straight"...nor even for 'a week.'

Does that make a difference?

 

[PoliticalChic]

What kind of bullshit, side-stepping cowardly answer is that, SFC?

You know that graphic pictures would elicit a membership drive and more bloodshed. It's just not politically comfortable for you to answer.

What you evidence, 'quishy, is the usual lib inabilty to separate fact from conjecture.
"You know that graphic pictures would elicit a membership drive and more bloodshed."

I know no such thing.
I do know that liberals will make up what ever sounds like it may support their postition.
To put it more succinctly, for liberals, 'feeling passes for knowing.'