Universal healthcare....

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    UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE....

    A disaster waiting to happen? A necessary evil?
    Plan is great and idea is great. Covers everyone with affordable healthcare.
    The problem begins when 47 million is added to the HC system. Something on a smaller scale when the baby boomers are added to social security and medicare. More anchor babies are added to medicaid. Healthcare reform is a disaster waiting to happen.

    Where are we going to get sufficient primary physicians, specialists, surgeons and nurses to serve all those seeking medical care? Waits are long now to see primary physicians, to see specialist and for surgeries unless it is an emergency.

    We do not have sufficient medical providers to handle the patients that will be added to the HC system. If this HC reform bill is passed, it will have to be phrased in over a period of many years and a massive medical care providers training program, more nurses trained, more hospitals and clinics built and staffed, etc.

    The reason universal HC works in other countries is they do not have to population we have. And the rhetoric that “no healthcare coverage for illegal aliens” is a lie. If they are here or given amnesty, they will be covered.
    Great idea and great plan but I just don’t see it working.
     
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    Some good questions you have asked. Let's think for a moment. The government has already taken over the banking industry, the auto industry, the home mortgare industry and have obligated trillions of dollars to stimulate the economy. None of it seems to be working very well. The government can't manage Social Security and Medicare and the Post Office. Two questions: (1) With the government's inability to manage large programs as mentioned above, and no way to pay for them once they are implemented, why would you want them to manage your health care? (2) After the government takes over health care for all Americans, what will be the next element of your life the government will try to control? There really won't be very much left and absolutely no privacy in your life. I don't understand why any sane person would want a government controled and run health care plan. It makes no sense to me.
     
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    I thought the argument was that everybody that needs medical treatment is already getting it? Okay, I am being facetious, but that actually is the argument you will hear from a great many.

    Yes, we do need more doctors and nurses and lab techs. Finding a way to reduce the cost of education would be a good starting point, to get more people into these positions. If educational costs could be reduced, pay could be reduced long term. Not saying we should look to find people to work for nothing, but we pay a very high amount for everyone in the medical field.

    There are many ideas that could help to reduce overall costs on top of that. Allowing nurse practitioners to handle more basic care of patients through regular offices or medical clinics would be on small step in the right direction. Tort reform is an obvious item that must be addressed. There are a slew of positive changes that could be made.

    What bothers me is that we have a bunch of politicians, from both sides, who think they are smart enough to come up with all the answers, yet they have zero practical experience in the field. Yes, they are the ones who should vote on changes, but why are they the ones making the suggested changes to begin with? There are a great many intelligent people out there who could and should be involved in the process, but instead we are leaving it up to self serving politicians to decide our future care.
     
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    you know people keep on complaining about the government taking over banking,auto and other industries. but people have nothing but themselves to blame for it. banks shouldn't complain because they were giving loans to people who couldn't afford to pay them back. the let people take out mortgages on homes they couldn't afford.

    the problem is when this industries were private people were not running them properly so now the government has to step in and fix the mess.

    same thing with health care. insurance companies are so greedy. drug companies are greedy. so people cannot afford health care. people are dying and getting sick. and even if you do have a insurance it's not guarantee they'll pay your medicals cost. they have to see if you eligible or not.

    and having government controlled health care is not a bad thing. tons of countries have universal health care and their people are well take care of. we are the only modern western country that does not have national health care. it's quite embarrassing really.
     
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    Easy, we'd have more doctors. Countries with universal care have free medical school.
     
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    Good points made by political junky , nia588 and auditor0007

    Well said all of you.

    Lilolady. I think those three made a good start towards answering your questions.


    I'll add one thing. In the stimulus bill ( AKA recovery act) President Obama put some money in to fund scholarships for health care providers. Not near enough. But it was a start.
     
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    In France and Germany, education is effectively free. If you can hang and make good grades, you get an education for next to nothing. That includes non-citizens!!! Why do you think Mohammed Atta was getting his engineering degree in Germany?

    Any of you could go to France or Germany and test in and start getting your degrees if your talents are good enough. Sweden has this as well.

    We suck.
     
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    You are evidently a victim of the scare tactic program. Gov't have not taken over the above and don't want to. They were asked for a boost and that is only what they gave.
    SS, Medicare and Post Office works quite well and is not the fault of the gov't if it don't. Economy trashed by Bush is the reason for the problems.
    Do you know all the programs that gov't do run that you cannot and will not do without. You are taking advantage of gov't run something before you even step out your door and go to work.
    Gov't wish you would leave them alone and stay out of their right to run this country. Right that you gave them.
     
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    GOVERNMENT RUN PROGRAMS.

    Medicare, Medicaid, county dental and medical clinics, senior centers, meals on wheels, veteran clinics and hospitals, rest homes, mental health clinic and hospitals, SCHIP, food stamps, WIC, federal food banks, Medicare prescription drug program, U.S. post office, law enforcement, fire dept, roads, energy assistance, social security, courts, libraries, military. Section 8 and HUD, FHA, schools and school lunch program, recreation centers, numerous federal, state and county, even city run programs. Just to name a few. All of these programs are government run and if you don’t want government in your lives, keep your children out of these programs and you stay out of them too.
    The list is just to numerous to list. To get away from U.S. government interference in our lives, we would have to leave the country. That may not be a bad idea after all. Too bad you and I cannot choose which ones we want to support. That the democracy you right wing bible thumpers love so much and are willing to die for.
     

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