Universal healthcare is the price for retaining no considerations for previous conditions

[AZGAL]

VA incompetence and indifference for everyone!

In Arizona, one city has one of the best VA hospital ratings and another the worst. McCain could have done more to help the VA given his background.

 

[Supposn]

DanielPalos, ... I can conceive progressive rates of co-insurance payments which require some type of direct or indirect government intervention, (i.e. a government social program), to be of some net benefit.

I believe that the Affordable Care Act makes some medical screening items and treatments to be free of patience co-payments? That then begins to address the expense of co-payment problem?
Are you suggesting we otherwise in effect eliminate all insurance for those with less than median incomes? What are you explicitly suggesting? ...

However, to address your specific point; solving simple poverty directly benefits Individuals; families may still need means tested welfare.

DanielPalos, yes, unless basic universal medical insurance would be a free entitlement. If only co-payments were subject to a sliding means test, that would actually make more financial sense.

Respectfully, Supposn

 

[danielpalos]

DanielPalos, ... I can conceive progressive rates of co-insurance payments which require some type of direct or indirect government intervention, (i.e. a government social program), to be of some net benefit.

I believe that the Affordable Care Act makes some medical screening items and treatments to be free of patience co-payments? That then begins to address the expense of co-payment problem?
Are you suggesting we otherwise in effect eliminate all insurance for those with less than median incomes? What are you explicitly suggesting? ...

However, to address your specific point; solving simple poverty directly benefits Individuals; families may still need means tested welfare.

DanielPalos, yes, unless basic universal medical insurance would be a free entitlement. If only co-payments were subject to a sliding means test, that would actually make more financial sense.

Respectfully, Supposn

Both terms, to promote and provide, are used in our federal Constitution regarding the general welfare.

In my view, a person would be able to afford basic coverage with a basic copay, even on unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed; or, better coverage as they are able to afford in our market economy, at the copay they desire.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

What we have now is of greater cost to our federal budgets and is less healthy for our nation.

agreed, if we were to switch to capitalism estimate is that prices would come down 80% and it would add 10-20 years to our life expectancies.

 

[Supposn]

What we have now is of greater cost to our federal budgets and is less healthy for our nation.

agreed, if we were to switch to capitalism estimate is that prices would come down 80% and it would add 10-20 years to our life expectancies.

Obamacare (which is also Romneycare), is free enterprise.

EdwardBaiamonte, Medical insurance costs have to reflect Medical procedures and goods costs and prices for medical procedures and products. Medical care is not a product that people can generally shop for as they would shop for a car or washing machine.

USA Medical insurance would be less expensive if we had single (federal) payer basic medical insurance as an entitlement similar to Medicare. Basic Medicare can, and often is augmented by individuals' commercial insurance policies.

Medicare was created because commercial entities didn't and I suppose couldn't properly service our elderly population.

Respectfully, Supposn

 

[danielpalos]

Solving for the capital inefficiency of capitalism' natural rate of unemployment can Only help improve our economy.

 

[Toronado3800]

What we have now is of greater cost to our federal budgets and is less healthy for our nation.

agreed, if we were to switch to capitalism estimate is that prices would come down 80% and it would add 10-20 years to our life expectancies.

Oh wow. Where has this worked? What country could we copy?

I have a question also. If your dog needs a new kidney are you going to pay for it or let him/her die?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Oh wow. Where has this worked? What country could we copy?
?

where has this worked? Everywhere! Ever heard of China? They just switched to capitalism and everyone can afford everything as opposed to not affording anything and then starving to death. Do you understand?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Obamacare (which is also Romneycare), is free enterprise.

well actually free enterprise is when you have capitalism not when you make capitalism illegal as Obamacare does. I feel sincerely that a kindergartner would know Obamacare was about govt control or elimination of free enterprise, not about promoting free enterprise. Sad!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Medical care is not a product that people can generally shop for as they would shop for a car or washing machine.

why not????? How odd that you are afraid to say. what did we learn from your fear?.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

USA Medical insurance would be less expensive if we had single (federal) payer basic medical insurance as an entitlement similar to Medicare.

would cars and houses be less expensive too?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Medicare was created because commercial entities didn't and I suppose couldn't properly service our elderly population.

That is always the excuse for communism. Do you think they implement it because capitalism is doing so well??

 

[Toronado3800]

Oh wow. Where has this worked? What country could we copy?
?

where has this worked? Everywhere! Ever heard of China? They just switched to capitalism and everyone can afford everything as opposed to not affording anything and then starving to death. Do you understand?

Ah, I know that place. Its the rising socialist/big government/capitalist haven! Be careful what you say, this country would be taking a big step towards big government to emulate China.

 

[Toronado3800]

Medical care is not a product that people can generally shop for as they would shop for a car or washing machine.

why not????? How odd that you are afraid to say. what did we learn from your fear?.

Oh hey, you never did say, have you ever had a pet which had his or her healthcare rationed by capitalism?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

this country would be taking a big step towards big government to emulate China.

depends what aspects we emulated! 1+1=2

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Oh hey, you never did say, have you ever had a pet which had his or her healthcare rationed by capitalism?

Why not cut the liberal BS and try to make you point directly? Is it so bad that you are afraid to make it directly?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Medical care is not a product that people can generally shop for as they would shop for a car or washing machine.

why not????? How odd that you are afraid to say. what did we learn from your fear?.

Oh hey, you never did say, have you ever had a pet which had his or her healthcare rationed by capitalism?

We would all be pets, with the government the owner choosing whether or not our health care is worth them paying for.

 

[dblack]

Oh hey, you never did say, have you ever had a pet which had his or her healthcare rationed by capitalism?

Capitalism is the opposite of rationing. Rationing is an attempt to make sure everyone gets an equal share of something that is in short supply. Capitalism serves people, decidedly, UNequally. I mean, that's what bugs you about it, right?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Oh hey, you never did say, have you ever had a pet which had his or her healthcare rationed by capitalism?

why are you talking about pets??? when we live in a world where 98% of the people don't get the very best care that is available in America. That being said, if we had capitalist healthcare prices would be down about 80% and most more could afford health care and most could afford the very best care. Moreover, with capitalist incentives 10-20 years would be added to our lifespans. How does the liberal like that for end of life care?

 

[Toronado3800]

Oh hey, you never did say, have you ever had a pet which had his or her healthcare rationed by capitalism?

why are you talking about pets??? when we live in a world where 98% of the people don't get the very best care that is available in America. That being said, if we had capitalist healthcare prices would be down about 80% and most more could afford health care and most could afford the very best care. Moreover, with capitalist incentives 10-20 years would be added to our lifespans. How does the liberal like that for end of life care?

Where can we look to and see these benefits? Does any country have the 100 year life expectancy you talk about?

I talk about pets because over here pets get some medical care, pets have some insurance and even though kidney transplants for dogs are cheaper most folks put their dog down. Does anyplace, any country, have a $20,000 human kidney transplant?