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Again, I'm asking about medicare & medicaid specifically, not all government programs. What specifically was intentionally done to the design of these specific programs to make fail - intentionally - as you've argued?
Health care insurance is a basic necessity of life?
So being born rich means you are a success!
That could very well be the crux of the issue, in fact it probably is - but alas, Cecilie1200 said it was done intentionally - Do you believe this was intentional? The use of the word "forgot" suggests to me that it was not intentional.
Additionally, doesn't this suggest an issue of incompetence, not an issue of intrinsic failure by nature of it being a government program?
That could very well be the crux of the issue, in fact it probably is - but alas, Cecilie1200 said it was done intentionally - Do you believe this was intentional? The use of the word "forgot" suggests to me that it was not intentional.
Additionally, doesn't this suggest an issue of incompetence, not an issue of intrinsic failure by nature of it being a government program?
yeah, can you also explain why the first private hosital that opened up in vancouver is soo busy that its turning away patients
Can you explain why so many canadians flock to the United States to receieve medical treatment
Let me explain to you how the single payer system we have in this country already works.
The only health care I had access to for nearly 2 years was the VA. I've used it off and on when I didn't have good health insurance for since I got out of the Army in Feb. of 72. It is in my opinion very slightly better than no care at all. Some examples:
If I wake up with a bad cold and need to go see a doctor, I can go to the clinic about 1/2 a mile from my house and wait very likely all day and may never get to see a doctor or I can take an hour long bus ride to this regions urgent care facility which will still kill pretty much the whole day by the time everything is said and done.
Last summer they found small traces of blood in my urine and asked me to go to Muskogee, Oklahoma for x-rays to check for kidney disease (private practice today generally does this with a cat scan). They gave me 3 gallon bag full of stuff and instruction. Well the night before I go to start the preparation and what do I find?
I find in the warning section of one of these items the following statement: DO NOT USE THIS PRODUCT IF YOU HAVE OR THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE KIDNEY DISEASE. (Please note I am quoting here not shouting the warning was printed in all caps...
shocking you would enjoy an article by a left wing nut like sara robinson and not from non partisan institutes that actually list facts and numbers about Canada's healthcare wait times and problems.
You guys are fucking loons
No What I'm telling you is that Socialized medicine of the sort they have in Europe isn't going to work here. And delineating why.
Socialized Medicine is largely the idea that bureaucrats work cheaper than lawyers.
No What I'm telling you is that Socialized medicine of the sort they have in Europe isn't going to work here. And delineating why.
Socialized Medicine is largely the idea that bureaucrats work cheaper than lawyers.
Minor detail that every other Western nation finds a single payer system better, cheaper, and more fair, but we in our infinite wisdom are smarter.
Right.....
No What I'm telling you is that Socialized medicine of the sort they have in Europe isn't going to work here. And delineating why.
Socialized Medicine is largely the idea that bureaucrats work cheaper than lawyers.
Noted that this is a none response to the issue of the trade off in quality and ease of access.
The WHO report that has been vaunted by UHC folks does show one important detail. That the U.S. is THE leader in terms of quality of care.
You are truly naive to believe that there won't be a trade off between the quality we enjoy now and switching to a less expensive system. A high school friend of mine who has lived and worked in Sweden for that last 3 years recently vistited over the holidays. When asked what the healtcare was like there he echoed pretty much the same thing we have heard systems like Canada's. If you need to see a doctor for the every day cough or flu the single payer systems are fine. If you need something more specialized, you WILL be waiting a while. That isn't a lie of the right Chris. That is out of the horses mouth from people that live in those systems.
Another thing we here is that UHC will be more preventative than the current system. I honestly don't see how that can be the case when people have to wait. Look at the the two systems. We have a more expensive system than most and the left likes to argue that are system prioritizes healthcare based on who has the deepest pockets. Well that's true in only a very limited sense. If you need to be treated you will be. But let's assume for the sake of argument that are system is based soletly on who can pay. Then we have the other system that, because it is inexpensive is based primarily on actual need of care. Here's where economic laws throw monkey wrench into things. If you tool basic econ you know that as price decreases, demand increases. That is if healthcare is less expensive than more people will use it. So what happens when there more demand than supply? Presumabley under a UHC we have to prioritize people based on their level of need. Or put in another way, there level of pain. The worst get seen first. Bringing us back to the issue of preventative issue. How can system that only has time to treat the worst first going to be able practice preventative medicine?
sounds like yet another instance of this nation's govt treating its veterans like trash - not an inherent flaw in the system that makes it impossible to work here.
A single payer system is when you only have one payer. It doesn't have to be the Government.
That is an excellent point.
It still won't work not even if its run by a for profit business, of course, unless the system is able to keep prices under control.
As we can clearly see from the continuous rise in prices under the mostly capitalist system we have now, for-profit health care insurance isn't very good at keeping costs down, either.
Why?
They have no real incentive to limit costs, as they can always increase premiums to offset rising costs.
Sorry folks, I know you all think that the market system is a good way to keep the overall cost of health care costs down, but reality keeps showing us that HC doesn't operate in exactly same way most things do.
