Universal health care

[RetiredGySgt]

Here ya go, Universal health care and its results.

Hawaii ending universal child health care - Yahoo! News

That was just for children and the State quit after 7 months. One reason? The people that could afford their own were joining the free State sponsored program and canceling their coverage.

 

[Diuretic]

Funny how it works elsewhere. Hawaii is incompetent.

Republican?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Funny how it works elsewhere. Hawaii is incompetent.

Republican?

Not likely.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Congress of Hawaii.

Senate 25 members 21 are Democrat 4 are Republican

House 49 members 42 are Democrat 7 are republican.

Did not see the affiliation of Governor or Lt Governor but it is safe to assume they are Democrats I think.

Hawaii.gov

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I would be wrong, seems the Governor and Lt Governor are republicans.

 

[Red Dawn]

Funny how it works elsewhere. Hawaii is incompetent.

Republican?

Yes.

A republican governor and her political appointees don't like it on ideological grounds, not because they can't afford it. It costs peanuts.

It costs the state about $50,000 per month, or $25.50 per child — an amount that was more than matched by HMSA.

State health officials argued that most of the children enrolled in the universal child care program previously had private health insurance, indicating that it was helping those who didn't need it.

50k a month? That's peanuts. I bet the governor's office coffee and pencil budget costs about the same.

 

[editec]

Here ya go, Universal health care and its results.

Hawaii ending universal child health care - Yahoo! News

That was just for children and the State quit after 7 months. One reason? The people that could afford their own were joining the free State sponsored program and canceling their coverage.

Yeah, this is another of the reasons that I insist that the only way to provide complete coverage for everyone is to have complete socialistic health care.

If private HC insurers are around competing with a government sponsored HC insurer, the private companies can and will cherrypick their clients such that they end up covering the healthiest population while leaving the old and sickly to the government insurance scheme to carry.

So those parents were just doing what was rational for them personally.

Obviously the government system was cheaper for them, and so naturally they gravitated to it.

Maine's health care system is in trouble, too, just as I said it would become.

It's taken on more responsibility than it has money to pay for.

The ONLY way we're going to have 100% HC coverage is if we have a fully socialized health care system.

And yes, by that I mean that the HC providers will work directly for the government.

Every other quasi-socialistic scheme my fellow liberals cobble together is bound to fail.

 

[Red Dawn]

Yeah, this is another of the reasons that I insist that the only way to provide complete coverage for everyone is to have complete socialistic health care.

If private HC insurers are around competing with a government sponsored HC insurer, the private companies can and will cherrypick their clients such that they end up covering the healthiest population while leaving the old and sickly to the government insurance scheme to carry.

So those parents were just doing what was rational for them personally.

Obviously the government system was cheaper for them, and so naturally they gravitated to it.

Maine's health care system is in trouble, too, just as I said it would become.

It's taken on more responsibility than it has money to pay for.

The ONLY way we're going to have 100% HC coverage is if we have a fully socialized health care system.

And yes, by that I mean that the HC providers will work directly for the government.

Every other quasi-socialistic scheme my fellow liberals cobble together is bound to fail.

If you read the article, its clear the republican adminstration is getting rid of it on ideological grounds.

They claim that its not working as intended, and that people who could get private insurance are signing up.

So the fuck what? That WAS the intent of the program, and what parent wouldn't want to get cheaper insurance for their child?

While it's difficult to determine how many children lack health coverage in the islands, estimates range from 3,500 to 16,000 in a state of about 1.3 million people. All were eligible for the program.

The cost of the program was 50k a month. Do you know how little 50k a month is in a state budget? Peanuts. The Governor could axe a a few limosines from her state car fleet to cover that cost.

 

[Chris]

editec, you are correct.

The system that works best is a single payer system. There are inherent cost savings to a single payer system because you cut out liability lawyers, insurance companies, and Big Pharma. It is not socialism because the doctors still own their own practices.

Mythbusting Canadian Health Care -- Part I | OurFuture.org

 

[Andrew2382]

I can't wait to have to wait 3 months to get an mri, or 6-9 months to get procedures. Universal Health is fantastic.

Thats why the first private hospital in Canada opened up and is turning patients away cause they are soo busy.

 

[Chris]

I can't wait to have to wait 3 months to get an mri, or 6-9 months to get procedures. Universal Health is fantastic.

Thats why the first private hospital in Canada opened up and is turning patients away cause they are soo busy.

We already have universal healthcare, just a really, really bad version of it. Everyone can be treated in the emergency room. We don't let people bleed to death on the street here. Not yet, anyway. So the rich get great healthcare, and the poor get no healthcare until they are at death's door. Does that sound like a good way to run a society? No, it doesn't. The ironic thing is that every other Western democracy has a single payer system, and the pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because they don't have to pay liability lawyers, insurance companies, and Big Pharma. There are inherent cost savings with a single payer system. The Germans have had one since 1886!

With a single payer system you would still pick your doctor, and your doctor would still own his practice. There would just be one insurance company, and that would be the government.

Mythbusting Canadian Health Care -- Part I | OurFuture.org

 

[Andrew2382]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/59791-universal-health.html

 

[xsited1]

A state official said families were dropping private coverage so their children would be eligible for the subsidized plan.

"People who were already able to afford health care began to stop paying for it so they could get it for free," said Dr. Kenny Fink, the administrator for Med-QUEST at the Department of Human Services. "I don't believe that was the intent of the program."

It costs the state about $50,000 per month, or $25.50 per child.

It doesn't appear that the cost was exorbitantly high, but Linda Lingle (the governor) is a staunch fiscal conservative who turned a huge deficit into a surplus in just a few years. I'm guessing the fact that people were trying to 'leech' off the system was the final straw.

 

[Chris]

It doesn't appear that the cost was exorbitantly high, but Linda Lingle (the governor) is a staunch fiscal conservative who turned a huge deficit into a surplus in just a few years. I'm guessing the fact that people were trying to 'leech' off the system was the final straw.

Damn those people for trying to get healthcare for their children!

Don't they know we need that money to bomb some countries that are no threat to us?

 

[xsited1]

Damn those people for trying to get healthcare for their children!

They already had health insurance. They were just trying to get it for free. Please reread the article.

 

[Navy1960]

Yeah, this is another of the reasons that I insist that the only way to provide complete coverage for everyone is to have complete socialistic health care.

If private HC insurers are around competing with a government sponsored HC insurer, the private companies can and will cherrypick their clients such that they end up covering the healthiest population while leaving the old and sickly to the government insurance scheme to carry.

So those parents were just doing what was rational for them personally.

Obviously the government system was cheaper for them, and so naturally they gravitated to it.

Maine's health care system is in trouble, too, just as I said it would become.

It's taken on more responsibility than it has money to pay for.

The ONLY way we're going to have 100% HC coverage is if we have a fully socialized health care system.

And yes, by that I mean that the HC providers will work directly for the government.

Every other quasi-socialistic scheme my fellow liberals cobble together is bound to fail.

Let me see if I understand what you are advocating here edit, that ALL Healthcare including , Doctor's, Hospitals, Research, etc all come under the employ of the government?

 

[Chris]

Let me see if I understand what you are advocating here edit, that ALL Healthcare including , Doctor's, Hospitals, Research, etc all come under the employ of the government?

No, he is only talking about National Health Insurance. The doctors and hospitals would still be privately owned.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Here ya go, Universal health care and its results.

Hawaii ending universal child health care - Yahoo! News

That was just for children and the State quit after 7 months. One reason? The people that could afford their own were joining the free State sponsored program and canceling their coverage.

Who wouldn't stop spending money on something if they can get it for free?

That is what I like about the Obama plan... It ain't free. It is an opportunity to buy into the federal employee program.

If We, The People manage our own insurance pool, where claims are paid out of contributions and no fat-cats skim off enough to have a valid reason to vote McCain, we can cover ourselves better for less.

What is insurance? It is a pool of funds which contributors can make a claim against, in case of a bad day.

Why must someone profit from that pool? It is not a productive industry, it doesn't make anything - it is a savings pool for a rainy day...

That leaves only the folks who can't contribute regarding health care... The question we need to ask ourselves is "Can we afford to cover people who don't have the education or skills to make contributions?"

The next question is "How can we educate and train these people to get them to the point where they can contribute"?

As long as there is golden parachute profits being skimmed off the insurance pool, we'll never be able to afford to help our neighbors except by keeping the emergency rooms solvent via tax dollars... Pretty stupid.

-Joe

 

[DiamondDave]

Damn those people for trying to get healthcare for their children!

At the expense of others

Don't they know we need that money to bomb some countries that are no threat to us?

Don't they know that they should be providing for their own family and working whatever they have to to do it

Kirk... as stated so many times before... nobody owes you or anyone else who is completely capable of working, earning, and taking care of themselves, a GODDAMN THING

 

[DiamondDave]

No, he is only talking about National Health Insurance. The doctors and hospitals would still be privately owned.

Which is not the job of the government...

State it for what it truly is... an entitlement at the expense of others and a way for more government control, bureaucracy, and red-tape