Unions to levy 10 dollar fee against members to support Obama re-election bid

[DaGoose]

They cut teachers' pay. This isn't rocket science. If you cut people's pay you get to pay them less and save money. This is Business 101. Doesn't mean it's good for the economy though. How is less consumer spending going to help that community? Answer: it won't.

So they now live at the same level (not even really) as private sector workers. Huh. fancy that?

What makes you think they should not have to share in the hardship all the rest that work in the private sector do? Plus with the savings they are hiring more teachers to reduce workload on the teachers. Lost spending? HAH! Not even close. try INCREASED spending in the community. I thought you socialists were all about redistribution of wealth.

Starting compensation for teachers are in the low $30s, and only after a Masters Degree and years of experience do they reach the $50s or $60s. And that was before the pay cuts, which are 6% - 8%. So now, that teacher receiving $50K is now getting about $47.5K, and taking home even less than before. And I'm not even counting the cuts in their sick days and snow days or the furlough options.

So, now, put your hate for teachers aside one second, and explain to us how consumers with less money in their pockets is a good thing. This is no different than if taxes had been raised. Working people now have less money to spend, and you are cheering for it. Why?

You are 100% right on with your figures. My wife teaches special education, has 20 years seniority and a Master's Degree (I'm so proud of her!!). You pretty much nailed her salary range.

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[DaGoose]

Wry the teachers get paid by whom?
the tax payer
Whose wealth is it that pay them?
the tax payer
whose wealth is it that paid for the stimulus?
the tax payer
who benefited most from the stimulus?
the teacher
Who paid for the failed stimulus?
the tax payer

who is it exactly that is paying for this mandatory donation?
what does the right have to do with this? how can you even begin to pretend this is ok?

It's OK because this is money that the teachers have already EARNED, hence theirs to do with what they please. So it's really none of your damned business what they choose to do with it.

So the teachers have no choice but to support obama.

nice

More tyranny from the left.

If you won't willingly support big 0, you will be forced to.

pfft

And this is what happened to the people that supposedly were the only authors of the Constitution.

Please explain how the teachers have no choice in the matter when FEDERAL LAW allows them to opt out.

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At some point in this there was the comment it is none of my business what the teacher does with the money he or she earns
Obama and the democratic party give the teachers 105 billion of stimulus
the teachers union gives BHO and the democratic party millions in mandatory contributions

You see nothing wrong with that?
Who ever made the claim it is none of the tax payers business what is done with our wealth want to try and explain to us how this is ok?

Let me explain this to you in a different way
I give Obama 15,000 last year
Obama gives the teachers union 105 billion with not 1 GOP voting for it
I do not support this
I am part of that GOP group
The teacher gives Obama millions that in part is my wealth

and bush is a bad guy?
and he is the one stealing from the tax payer?

I did not provide tax money to support a bunch of baby killing left wing kooks who think a person giving up 70,000 a year in wealth for income tax after they make 200,000 is not enough
Thats stealing and There stealing it from us
People who are paid with tax payers wealth have every right to belong to a union, but that union has no business using that wealth to support any political candidate
and opt out?

That was me and I made two main points with my post.

1) Once a worker is paid he or she can spend her money and way they wish. Once they collect their pay it's none of your damned business what they do with it.

2) NOBODY is forced to donate to political candidates or parties. They can opt out per federal law and, in fact, many do.

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[DontBeStupid]

Pay their FAIR SHARE into retirement and health benefits that the private sector has no equal to.

Jobs in the private sector don't have matching 401ks and health insurance? When did this happen?

Oh, wait. You probably meant that to be a non-factual statement. Good job.

 

[Steelplate]

I'll tell you what... when all lobbyists are out of Washington, when all the "superpacs" and their anonymous donors are disbanded, When all of the corporate money for Corporate interests are banned... I'll agree to the idea that Unions... who represent LABOR should be banned too.

I won't hold my breath though.

 

[hellofromwarsaw]

It's estimated that corporations spend 30-50 times as much as unions do for campaign finances and lobbyists, and NOT to help people, the workers, or the environment.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

It's OK because this is money that the teachers have already EARNED, hence theirs to do with what they please. So it's really none of your damned business what they choose to do with it.



Please explain how the teachers have no choice in the matter when FEDERAL LAW allows them to opt out.

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At some point in this there was the comment it is none of my business what the teacher does with the money he or she earns
Obama and the democratic party give the teachers 105 billion of stimulus
the teachers union gives BHO and the democratic party millions in mandatory contributions

You see nothing wrong with that?
Who ever made the claim it is none of the tax payers business what is done with our wealth want to try and explain to us how this is ok?

Let me explain this to you in a different way
I give Obama 15,000 last year
Obama gives the teachers union 105 billion with not 1 GOP voting for it
I do not support this
I am part of that GOP group
The teacher gives Obama millions that in part is my wealth

and bush is a bad guy?
and he is the one stealing from the tax payer?

I did not provide tax money to support a bunch of baby killing left wing kooks who think a person giving up 70,000 a year in wealth for income tax after they make 200,000 is not enough
Thats stealing and There stealing it from us
People who are paid with tax payers wealth have every right to belong to a union, but that union has no business using that wealth to support any political candidate
and opt out?

That was me and I made two main points with my post.

1) Once a worker is paid he or she can spend her money and way they wish. Once they collect their pay it's none of your damned business what they do with it.

2) NOBODY is forced to donate to political candidates or parties. They can opt out per federal law and, in fact, many do.

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Your right to a point. But your dues which you have to pay for the union to represent you end up being used to represent someone else. There in lies the rub

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

My problem is not with the good teachers. Its with the unions taking advantage of them in order to support an agenda that ultimately hurts their members. The unions have gotten so greedy and now its all crashing down around them because of the greed. It hurts everyone from my house to the classroom.
As far as Fox goes, complain away. This topic is not a product of the media, its a product of 40+ years of seeing whats happening to our schools. I pay alot of taxes which pay their salerys so I figure I have a voice in how my money is spent.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

1) Once a worker is paid he or she can spend her money and way they wish. Once they collect their pay it's none of your damned business what they do with it.

2) NOBODY is forced to donate to political candidates or parties. They can opt out per federal law and, in fact, many do.

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Thanks ... excellent

Re-posting..because

I still don't think those on the right don't quite GRASP this concept that, once you pay someone for work they do for you, that pay is THEIRS, not the payers, to do with what the payee wants.

I pay my doctor $1000 in medical bills, that doctor uses some of the money to lobby for higher co-pays for medicare. AGAINST MY INTERESTS!!!

I pay a lawyer $250 to revise a will for me. He spends part of that money funding his run for local office against my preferred candidate.

I pay bank fees and my bank makes money on my deposits, too. The bank lobbies for legislation to charge higher interest on credit cards for people like me, and for the right NOT to pay interest on average balances as small as mine.

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.....

ALL OF THEM HAVE A RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR EARNINGS, EVEN IF I DON'T LIKE IT!!

Maybe THESE examples will sink in to the clueless on the right.

yea, its not like "OUR" kids are in the hands of the unions that you claim we have no right to question

idiot

 

[Too Tall]

Could someone please point out to me the part of the OP that proves any money is going to re-elect Obama?

Anyone?

Nobody can because it's not true.

Most people here (on both sides) never bother to fact check any story that stands in lock-step with their confirmation bias.

But whatcha gonna do?

Quoting this because it's true.

Anyone who took 2 minutes to read the article would know that the $10 is NOT going to re-elect Obama. The union voted to support Obama, yes, which makes sense since many of the GOP candidates are waging a full on war against teachers. But the $10 is NOT for Obama's re-election. It's for the crisis fund which helps promote money getting to schools that need it. Why would anyone be against that? It's non-partisan.

This is just a trumped up controversy from people who hate working teachers.

Nothing to see here.

By using this subterfuge the $10 per will be $10 per that the Union doesn't have to spend on the crisis fund out of regular dues. Three guesses where the windfall $10 per will go!

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

My problem is not with the good teachers. Its with the unions taking advantage of them in order to support an agenda that ultimately hurts their members. The unions have gotten so greedy and now its all crashing down around them because of the greed. It hurts everyone from my house to the classroom.
As far as Fox goes, complain away. This topic is not a product of the media, its a product of 40+ years of seeing whats happening to our schools. I pay alot of taxes which pay their salerys so I figure I have a voice in how my money is spent.

Just how ARE the unions taking advantage of them in order to support an agenda that ultimately hurts their members?

AGAIN, since you still haven't grasped a basic concept of employment law, once you pay their salaries, (SPELLED WITH 2 A's), you do NOT have a right to decide how those teachers choose to spend their salaries. That's up to them!

Are you just naturally dense? Were talking about the dues that you dont get a choice in how its spent. Not to mention all the other issues and problems that the unions create like... work lock outs, no competition, hurting honest businesses by picketing them, useless tenured employees, trying to force card check to remove employees privacey on votes, wasting money in the political realm instead of investing it in their employees.... all of this done on our tax dollars

 

[Too Tall]

Teachers Unions to hammer their members with another fee just for Obama. If this wasn't so stupid I almost dismissed it as a joke.
Didn't we just go through several months of the Unions screaming about "fair treatment"? Don't teachers cry about buying school supplies with their own money?
But now, "without consent or asking" the union will now "take" more money from teachers without a second thought in support of Obama.
If you ask me shouldn't Mr O stand up and say "i will not stand by why you are forced to contribute from your already small pay check for my benefit"



Have and display some dignity Mr O.

I'm not a teacher, but where can I make a donation?
10 bucks is nothing compared to what Walker received from the Koch whores.

Just eliminate the middle man and send it direct to:

Get Involved Today | Obama for America | 2012

That is where it is going anyway.

 

[manifold]

According to uneducated ignorami, unions are bad for their members. Yet for some strange reason union members by and large continue to vote in favor of extending their union charters. Probably because they think they're getting the shaft.

Some of you dingbats are really really fuck'n stupid. No offense.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

According to uneducated ignorami, unions are bad for their members. Yet for some strange reason union members by and large continue to vote in favor of extending their union charters. Probably because they think they're getting the shaft.

Some of you dingbats are really really fuck'n stupid. No offense.

Probably because they know if they vote against GOD they will wind up unemployed. And then there are the right to work states who are drawing droves of new business, that is until Obama sues them in an attempt to force unionization.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Are you just naturally dense? Were talking about the dues that you dont get a choice in how its spent. Not to mention all the other issues and problems that the unions create like... work lock outs, no competition, hurting honest businesses by picketing them, useless tenured employees, trying to force card check to remove employees privacey on votes, wasting money in the political realm instead of investing it in their employees.... all of this done on our tax dollars

NO, you won that prize for denseness hundreds of misinformed posts ago. You seem to think ALL unions everywhere do exactly the same thing for everyone.

We are talking about $10 annually for public relations and public education as to the value of unions. Judging from your lack of education as to what teachers unions do, that money will be well-spent in general but wasted if you are not going to bother to listen to facts.

Card check, you totally misrepresented. Work lock-outs, never happened in a teacher's union in the history of America.

ONCE AGAIN, FOR THE LAST TIME: because I see an incredible denseness in your ability to read and understand.

all of this done on our tax dollars


once you pay that teacher with your tax dollars, IT'S NOT YOUR DOLLARS ANY MORE!!! IT'S THEIRS TO DO WITH AS THEY SEE FIT!!!

I conceeded that point, jesus. Do you not realize that our tax dollars do MORE than just pay the damn salaries? Do you really believe the unions survive on dues alone? Are you really that missinformed?

This is pointless im done here so enjoy arguing with yourself....

 

[Too Tall]

I'll tell you what... when all lobbyists are out of Washington, when all the "superpacs" and their anonymous donors are disbanded, When all of the corporate money for Corporate interests are banned... I'll agree to the idea that Unions... who represent LABOR should be banned too.

I won't hold my breath though.

How about the 13 out of 20 top donors from 1989-2010? 12 were UNIONS and and one was trial lawyers and every one of them gave over 90% to Democrats.

On the other hand, the other top 7 donors were 60/40 to 50/50 between Democrats and Republicans.

Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2010 | OpenSecrets

 

[Too Tall]

According to uneducated ignorami, unions are bad for their members. Yet for some strange reason union members by and large continue to vote in or extending their union charters. Probably because they think they're getting the shaft.

Some of you dingbats are really really fuck'n stupid. No offense.

Governor Cuomo in New York is the new Union hero. Rather than assess the members with paying a little of their health care and retirement to help balance the budget, he laid off 9,800 union members with the blessing of the Union.

Walker saved 2500 union jobs in Wisconsin and is hated by the unions.

Remind me to NEVER join a union that throws its paying members under the bus.

 

[Big Fitz]

Pay their FAIR SHARE into retirement and health benefits that the private sector has no equal to.

Jobs in the private sector don't have matching 401ks and health insurance? When did this happen?

Oh, wait. You probably meant that to be a non-factual statement. Good job.

Private sector jobs don't have DEFINED LIFETIME BENEFITS like public sector jobs. Know the difference.

 

[Big Fitz]

1) Once a worker is paid he or she can spend her money and way they wish. Once they collect their pay it's none of your damned business what they do with it.

That is true, but that does not change the answer of where the money comes from to pay government employees: taxpayers

 

[Big Fitz]

My problem is not with the good teachers. Its with the unions taking advantage of them in order to support an agenda that ultimately hurts their members. The unions have gotten so greedy and now its all crashing down around them because of the greed. It hurts everyone from my house to the classroom.
As far as Fox goes, complain away. This topic is not a product of the media, its a product of 40+ years of seeing whats happening to our schools. I pay alot of taxes which pay their salerys so I figure I have a voice in how my money is spent.

Just how ARE the unions taking advantage of them in order to support an agenda that ultimately hurts their members?

AGAIN, since you still haven't grasped a basic concept of employment law, once you pay their salaries, (SPELLED WITH 2 A's), you do NOT have a right to decide how those teachers choose to spend their salaries. That's up to them!

Since union dues are deducted before ever becoming the 'employee's money'. Therefore, your argument is moot.

 

[Big Fitz]

Here's a little gubmint employee money that should never ever be questioned according to the left (unless they're republican).

No recession for Obama's 454 White House aides: They'll make $37,121,463 this year - latimes.com

That averages out to just under $82k per aide... not including benefits

Probably the snarkiest LATimes article I've ever seen towards their apparently former messiah, Brackets.