Unions to levy 10 dollar fee against members to support Obama re-election bid

[Big Fitz]

And the Kaukauna School Board, by implementing the new Law saved 2 million going from a 400k deficit to a 1.6m surplus.

The Kaukauna School Board approved changes Monday night to its employee handbook that require staff to cover 12.6 percent of their health insurance and to contribute 5.8 percent of their wages to the state's pension system, in accordance with the new collective bargaining law, commonly known as Act 10.

The new rules also cut sick days from 10 to five, eliminate teacher pay for emergency school closings, such as snow days, and give district leaders the option of furloughing staff members.

Kaukauna schools project $1.5M surplus after bargaining changes | Appleton Post Crescent | postcrescent.com

They cut teachers' pay. This isn't rocket science. If you cut people's pay you get to pay them less and save money. This is Business 101. Doesn't mean it's good for the economy though. How is less consumer spending going to help that community? Answer: it won't.

So they now live at the same level (not even really) as private sector workers. Huh. fancy that?

What makes you think they should not have to share in the hardship all the rest that work in the private sector do? Plus with the savings they are hiring more teachers to reduce workload on the teachers. Lost spending? HAH! Not even close. try INCREASED spending in the community. I thought you socialists were all about redistribution of wealth.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

I'm sure they'll just rape the Taxpayers again to make up the difference. Public Unions are just bad for this Nation. When are more people gonna figure that out? They're a very corrupt and very expensive scam. Private-Sector Unions are acceptable but there should be no Unions in Government period. It benefits Public Unions to rape the Taxpayers. So why would they stop doing it? Public Unions should be abolished.

 

[Big Fitz]

I'm sure they'll just rape the Taxpayers again to make up the difference. Public Unions are just bad for this Nation. When are more people gonna figure that out? They're a very corrupt and very expensive scam. Private-Sector Unions are acceptable but there should be no Unions in Government period. It benefits Public Unions to rape the Taxpayers. So why would they stop doing it? Public Unions should be abolished.

It's almost guaranteed to become a permanent line item in their budget.

 

[DontBeStupid]

They cut teachers' pay. This isn't rocket science. If you cut people's pay you get to pay them less and save money. This is Business 101. Doesn't mean it's good for the economy though. How is less consumer spending going to help that community? Answer: it won't.

So they now live at the same level (not even really) as private sector workers. Huh. fancy that?

What makes you think they should not have to share in the hardship all the rest that work in the private sector do? Plus with the savings they are hiring more teachers to reduce workload on the teachers. Lost spending? HAH! Not even close. try INCREASED spending in the community. I thought you socialists were all about redistribution of wealth.

Starting compensation for teachers are in the low $30s, and only after a Masters Degree and years of experience do they reach the $50s or $60s. And that was before the pay cuts, which are 6% - 8%. So now, that teacher receiving $50K is now getting about $47.5K, and taking home even less than before. And I'm not even counting the cuts in their sick days and snow days or the furlough options.

So, now, put your hate for teachers aside one second, and explain to us how consumers with less money in their pockets is a good thing. This is no different than if taxes had been raised. Working people now have less money to spend, and you are cheering for it. Why?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

This $10 Fee will be covered by anal-raping the Taxpayers again. The Teachers will just shake the Taxpayers down again to cover for this. So it's a Win-Win for the Unions. Of course it's a Lose-Lose for the Taxpayers though.

 

[Big Fitz]

They cut teachers' pay. This isn't rocket science. If you cut people's pay you get to pay them less and save money. This is Business 101. Doesn't mean it's good for the economy though. How is less consumer spending going to help that community? Answer: it won't.

So they now live at the same level (not even really) as private sector workers. Huh. fancy that?

What makes you think they should not have to share in the hardship all the rest that work in the private sector do? Plus with the savings they are hiring more teachers to reduce workload on the teachers. Lost spending? HAH! Not even close. try INCREASED spending in the community. I thought you socialists were all about redistribution of wealth.

Starting compensation for teachers are in the low $30s, and only after a Masters Degree and years of experience do they reach the $50s or $60s. And that was before the pay cuts, which are 6% - 8%. So now, that teacher receiving $50K is now getting about $47.5K, and taking home even less than before. And I'm not even counting the cuts in their sick days and snow days or the furlough options.

So, now, put your hate for teachers aside one second, and explain to us how consumers with less money in their pockets is a good thing. This is no different than if taxes had been raised. Working people now have less money to spend, and you are cheering for it. Why?

Wow... I wish *I* was making the low 30k's. Maybe I should go get the awesome deal they have for Wisconsin teachers? Oh wait. I don't have the degree. Damn.

You're right in one minor unintended aspect. This is as if nothing has been done to taxes... for it hasn't. The smart thing would have been to rebate all that money, and given a tax break to the community in which it was being siphoned from thereby increasing local revenue and shrinking local government bureaucracy.

You so want it both ways, don't you?

BTW, your false premise of the expense at getting a masters is due strictly to the fact that you don't get pay increases in monopolistic government schooling unless you have bigger and bigger degrees, or by seniority. Does a "Phudd" actually have better teaching skills than a lowly batchelor's degree? Maybe... maybe not. Is it worth over double the salary? Probably not since it's a vicious circle. Need more education which leads to loans for inflated college tuition, which allows them to make more money which they need to pay off their deeper debt.

Who's the sucker in this drama of economic inbreeding? The taxpayer for putting up with it.

I do believe I found the logic of this argument:

 

[LibocalypseNow]

People just need to become more aware of what's going on. Public Unions are just one big Shakedown Scam in the end. The Union Leaders shake their members down and then the members shake the Taxpayers down. This is all done of course with the help of the Democratic Party. They've been fucking Taxpayers over like this for years. You can bet this $10 Fee will be covered by raping the Taxpayers again. It is very sad but it is what it is.

 

[mmmjvpssm]

The Ann Coulter pop up was the first clue that this is a con site and therefore probably bull. This was the second clue

3.2 million teachers will pay the tax – out of your tax dollars- which is expected to double the amount of money normally put into the “crisis fund.”

NO, they will NOT be paying "out of your tax dollars" they'll be paying from their pay checks

 

[mmmjvpssm]

What part of teacher has job, teacher gets paid for job do you people have trouble understanding??

 

[Big Fitz]

The Ann Coulter pop up was the first clue that this is a con site and therefore probably bull. This was the second clue

3.2 million teachers will pay the tax – out of your tax dollars- which is expected to double the amount of money normally put into the “crisis fund.”

NO, they will NOT be paying "out of your tax dollars" they'll be paying from their pay checks

And their paychecks come from....? That's right, by TAX DOLLARS! OMG! It's not occurring in a vacuum?!

Imbecile.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Teachers forgot they worked for the Taxpayers a very long time ago. Now they think it's the other way around. Unions should have never been allowed in Government. It really is in their best interests to screw Taxpayers. It's how this flawed System works. So it will go on & on unless Public Unions are abolished.

 

[JRK]

More examples from the New Right of their hypocrisy. Always willing to take other peoples money, but hysterical when they suffer a simple tax which benefits all.

Wry the teachers get paid by whom?
the tax payer
Whose wealth is it that pay them?
the tax payer
whose wealth is it that paid for the stimulus?
the tax payer
who benefited most from the stimulus?
the teacher
Who paid for the failed stimulus?
the tax payer

who is it exactly that is paying for this mandatory donation?
what does the right have to do with this? how can you even begin to pretend this is ok?

It's OK because this is money that the teachers have already EARNED, hence theirs to do with what they please. So it's really none of your damned business what they choose to do with it.

Teachers Unions to hammer their members with another fee just for Obama. If this wasn't so stupid I almost dismissed it as a joke.
Didn't we just go through several months of the Unions screaming about "fair treatment"? Don't teachers cry about buying school supplies with their own money?
But now, "without consent or asking" the union will now "take" more money from teachers without a second thought in support of Obama.
If you ask me shouldn't Mr O stand up and say "i will not stand by why you are forced to contribute from your already small pay check for my benefit"

http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/johnransom/2011/07/05/obamas_price_$10_tax_for_union_teachers-_you_pay

Have and display some dignity Mr O.

So the teachers have no choice but to support obama.

nice

More tyranny from the left.

If you won't willingly support big 0, you will be forced to.

pfft

And this is what happened to the people that supposedly were the only authors of the Constitution.

Please explain how the teachers have no choice in the matter when FEDERAL LAW allows them to opt out.

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At some point in this there was the comment it is none of my business what the teacher does with the money he or she earns
Obama and the democratic party give the teachers 105 billion of stimulus
the teachers union gives BHO and the democratic party millions in mandatory contributions

You see nothing wrong with that?
Who ever made the claim it is none of the tax payers business what is done with our wealth want to try and explain to us how this is ok?

Let me explain this to you in a different way
I give Obama 15,000 last year
Obama gives the teachers union 105 billion with not 1 GOP voting for it
I do not support this
I am part of that GOP group
The teacher gives Obama millions that in part is my wealth

and bush is a bad guy?
and he is the one stealing from the tax payer?

I did not provide tax money to support a bunch of baby killing left wing kooks who think a person giving up 70,000 a year in wealth for income tax after they make 200,000 is not enough
Thats stealing and There stealing it from us
People who are paid with tax payers wealth have every right to belong to a union, but that union has no business using that wealth to support any political candidate
and opt out?

 

[Big Fitz]

Teachers forgot they worked for the Taxpayers a very long time ago. Now they think it's the other way around. Unions should have never been allowed in Government. It really is in their best interests to screw Taxpayers. It's how this flawed System works. So it will go on & on unless Public Unions are abolished.

Or banned from politics or direct involvement via state referendum allowing a taxpayer veto over contracts negotiated in bad faith.

 

[DontBeStupid]

Wow... I wish *I* was making the low 30k's. Maybe I should go get the awesome deal they have for Wisconsin teachers? Oh wait. I don't have the degree. Damn.

You're right in one minor unintended aspect. This is as if nothing has been done to taxes... for it hasn't.

Now we know it won't kill you guys to admit when we are right. Good to know.

So, again, this is good for the community how? What you have is a group of consumers who now have LESS money to spend at local businesses, and you cheer this. You don't raise arms saying that private employees should be paid more. No, why would you? That would benefit you and everyone else. Nope, attack teachers and now they have even less to spend at your private place of employment. Congratulations.

Oh, and it's not the fault of teachers if you chose to not get a degree. Take some responsibility for your life.

 

[Big Fitz]

Wow... I wish *I* was making the low 30k's. Maybe I should go get the awesome deal they have for Wisconsin teachers? Oh wait. I don't have the degree. Damn.

You're right in one minor unintended aspect. This is as if nothing has been done to taxes... for it hasn't.

Now we know it won't kill you guys to admit when we are right. Good to know.

So, again, this is good for the community how? What you have is a group of consumers who now have LESS money to spend at local businesses, and you cheer this. You don't raise arms saying that private employees should be paid more. No, why would you? That would benefit you and everyone else. Nope, attack teachers and now they have even less to spend at your private place of employment. Congratulations.

Oh, and it's not the fault of teachers if you chose to not get a degree. Take some responsibility for your life.

Obviously you stopped at the left handed compliment. Way to read on! Here's the whole pull quote.

You're right in one minor unintended aspect. This is as if nothing has been done to taxes... for it hasn't. The smart thing would have been to rebate all that money, and given a tax break to the community in which it was being siphoned from thereby increasing local revenue and shrinking local government bureaucracy.

Do you understand that bolded part? You are right that taxes have not changed. The same amount is being taken out of the community and put into local government coffers and therefore out of circulation. Absolutely right.

But now you have been outright IGNORING 2 things. The first, (hiring more teachers to reduce class size) is what the Town intends to do. This takes that 'lost consumer money' and redistributes it to many more hands. So you actually INCREASE the 'churn' of money in the community by this. Again. I thought you were FOR wealth redistribution SoFuckingStupid?

Secondly, and what would be potentially healthier for the community is to return that surplus of 1.5 million and reduce taxes accordingly. That tax credit directly back to the home owners of the community can probably go a long way to improving the overall lives of the entire town and school district, thereby shrinking wasteful gubmint bureaucracy, and encouraging more people to relocate (regardless of the smell from Thilmanys) to their town thereby increasing the tax base as a whole.

So, you obviously did not get that. You're more worried about a small group of union shills absconding with 2 million dollars and forcing a budget shortfall for their own selfish greed. So much for being community minded it seems.

Oh, and it's not the fault of teachers if you chose to not get a degree. Take some responsibility for your life.

Yes. They should. And this is forcing it on them. Pay their FAIR SHARE into retirement and health benefits that the private sector has no equal to. Defined lifetime benefits? Find it in the private sector. You can't... or at least not for the deal these guys (used to) get.

Like I said. Hypocrisy in 3...2...1... DING!

 

[cloudy]

Teachers Unions to hammer their members with another fee just for Obama. If this wasn't so stupid I almost dismissed it as a joke.
Didn't we just go through several months of the Unions screaming about "fair treatment"? Don't teachers cry about buying school supplies with their own money?
But now, "without consent or asking" the union will now "take" more money from teachers without a second thought in support of Obama.
If you ask me shouldn't Mr O stand up and say "i will not stand by why you are forced to contribute from your already small pay check for my benefit"



Have and display some dignity Mr O.

I'm not a teacher, but where can I make a donation?
10 bucks is nothing compared to what Walker received from the Koch whores.

 

[Conservative]

Could someone please point out to me the part of the OP that proves any money is going to re-elect Obama?

Anyone?

http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/johnransom/2011/07/05/obamas_price_$10_tax_for_union_teachers-_you_pay

Really. I ask for something that is not in the linked piece (proof, not opinion), and you link to the piece again.

It says this...

“They also voted for a $10 annual dues increase that will be dedicated to funding NEA's Crisis Fund, a program designed to put money back into the states for pro-public education outreach.”

Hardly sounds like an Obama re-election slush fund. Anything else is the opinion of the writer of the linked article.

I dislike Obama policy and performance (or lack there of) as much as the next conservative. I, however, am not going to read something into a piece that simply is either nto there, or is the unsubstantiated opinion of the write and the poster.

This is a non-issue as far as I can see, unless someone can show me actual proof that this $10 is going into an Obama re-election fund of some sort.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Could someone please point out to me the part of the OP that proves any money is going to re-elect Obama?

Anyone?

http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/johnransom/2011/07/05/obamas_price_$10_tax_for_union_teachers-_you_pay

Really. I ask for something that is not in the linked piece (proof, not opinion), and you link to the piece again.

It says this...

“They also voted for a $10 annual dues increase that will be dedicated to funding NEA's Crisis Fund, a program designed to put money back into the states for pro-public education outreach.”

Hardly sounds like an Obama re-election slush fund. Anything else is the opinion of the writer of the linked article.

I dislike Obama policy and performance (or lack there of) as much as the next conservative. I, however, am not going to read something into a piece that simply is either nto there, or is the unsubstantiated opinion of the write and the poster.

This is a non-issue as far as I can see, unless someone can show me actual proof that this $10 is going into an Obama re-election fund of some sort.

Well you will have to ask the union to let you audit their books now wont you. Sometimes logic, common sense and history offer more insight than any link ever will. But since you feel its a non issue I guess ill see you in another thread.

 

[shintao]

Teachers Unions to hammer their members with another fee just for Obama. If this wasn't so stupid I almost dismissed it as a joke.
Didn't we just go through several months of the Unions screaming about "fair treatment"? Don't teachers cry about buying school supplies with their own money?
But now, "without consent or asking" the union will now "take" more money from teachers without a second thought in support of Obama.
If you ask me shouldn't Mr O stand up and say "i will not stand by why you are forced to contribute from your already small pay check for my benefit"

http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/johnransom/2011/07/05/obamas_price_$10_tax_for_union_teachers-_you_pay

Have and display some dignity Mr O.

Hmm, a ten is a small amount to pay for union security and the best interests of the working class. Money well spent, and invested in union advertising to get the word out to taxpayers.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Teachers Unions to hammer their members with another fee just for Obama. If this wasn't so stupid I almost dismissed it as a joke.
Didn't we just go through several months of the Unions screaming about "fair treatment"? Don't teachers cry about buying school supplies with their own money?
But now, "without consent or asking" the union will now "take" more money from teachers without a second thought in support of Obama.
If you ask me shouldn't Mr O stand up and say "i will not stand by why you are forced to contribute from your already small pay check for my benefit"

http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/johnransom/2011/07/05/obamas_price_$10_tax_for_union_teachers-_you_pay

Have and display some dignity Mr O.

Hmm, a ten is a small amount to pay for union security and the best interests of the working class. Money well spent, and invested in union advertising to get the word out to taxpayers.

Ten on top of the ton that is already collected. If the union is so good why do they need to convince people? Multiply that 10 by the amount of members and decide who is fleecing who....