Unions in the US

[RadiomanATL]

You folded and ran. Take care.

I countered each and every point.

You countered with "you folded and ran".


I don't think anyone is fooled here sparky.

Here is what Union workers cost the truck buyer.

The average GM assembly-line worker makes about $29 per hour in wages.

GM produces 1,428 trucks a day

Union employees 214

$29.00 Hr. X 8 hours X 214 Union workers = $49648.00 -:- 1428 Trks = 34.77 a truck labor.

Any questions?


Seeing the light on the GM line | The Journal Gazette | Fort Wayne, IN




Seeing the light on the GM line | The Journal Gazette | Fort Wayne, IN

So the only people who are union workers at GM are the assembly line workers? Not the forklift drivers, the parts drivers, the secretaries, the janitors, AND THE RETIRED WORKERS WHO ARE STILL RECEIVING BENEFITS.

Idiot.

There's also the inconvenient fact that hourly wages alone don't reflect the total compensation package for ANY of these employees or retirees.

You're talking turkey, he's chucking us a chicken leg and calling it Thanksgiving.

Good point.

Actually, I would chuck all of it except for the part about continuing benefits for the pensioners. I mean, a non-union carmaker would still have to pay all those people too, and offer a competitive benefits package. The difference is that a non-union shop won't offer medical insurance for life, and usually offers a 401(k) instead of a pension. A pension straight up comes out of the companies coffers, for the life of the pensioner. A 401(k), the company contributes while the worker is actually working for the company, as part of a total compensation package. And usually it is up to the worker how much the company actually contributes, within a set of parameters.

 

[daveman]

The Chinese house is gay..............


Now I see that CEO mansion and I dont give a crap. Good for that guy........he pays mega-taxes and helps create jobs and opportunity. The guy in the Chinese house? Not so much............

The k00ks in this forum live their lives in a perpetual state of jealousy and misery and nothing would provide them more delight than fcukking the guy in the mansion.

Radio already caught the shithead in that lie.

Simply right click on the image and copy image location.
Paste it into your address bar and you'll see that the title of the image is Lebron James mansion.

A lie that fuckstick has conveniently ignored getting caught in

Ahem.

 

[glew]

Are you another capitalist that would work for free to have a job?

If that is what it takes to get my foot in the door, then yes...And as far as benefits...I wouldn't think that the people I work for can print money, and then try to screw them as if they could...One of these days a business, no matter how big, is going to grow some balls and tell the unions to f**k off...I for one will cheer and throw some business there way to show my support.

 

[The T]

I detect Shintao might be a union hack? I too have had a couple bad experiences with union workers...Out of the couple times I've ever dealt with them personally...Libs complain about a couple instances of violence in thousands of tea Party rallies, but ignore the fact that there is violence in every 2-3 union rallies...There should be a wage cap on union members...minimum wage + 20%...their original intent was to protect the most vulnerable workers...Fat ass plumbers, electicians, and auto workers, who make $35 an hour have destroyed the market for future fat ass plumbers, electricians, and auto workers.

Glew must be a scab corporate Hack? Yes, a proud Union member here.

Yes Shintao, it is true...Us land surveyors are in deeeeep with large corporations...lolol...All 13 employees in the company I worked for get paid by GE, IBM, and Wells Fargo to stump for the utopian dream that is big business...hahaha...Now I might think that you DO get on buses to protest this or that company, that your union masters decide are against the collective?

Resistance is Futile....

We will seek you out and destroy you....

 

[daveman]

First, I don't believe you, and second prove that statement, ya scab.

That’s because labor costs, for all the attention they have been receiving, make up only about 10 percent of the cost of making a vehicle.​

The article gives a good breakdown of what the unions cost the car-buyer.

Here is what Union workers cost the truck buyer.

The average GM assembly-line worker makes about $29 per hour in wages.

GM produces 1,428 trucks a day

Union employees 214

$29.00 Hr. X 8 hours X 214 Union workers = $49648.00 -:- 1428 Trks = 34.77 a truck labor.

Any questions?


Seeing the light on the GM line | The Journal Gazette | Fort Wayne, IN




Seeing the light on the GM line | The Journal Gazette | Fort Wayne, IN

Yes. Why are you leaving out the benefits packages and the retiree pensions? That pushes the rate up to around $70/hour, as I showed in the other article.

 

[shintao]

On an individual basis?

TWO EQUALLY INDEPENDENT COMPETITIVE WORKERS. WHICH ONE WILL GET THE JOB?


CHINESE WORKER

AMERICAN WORKER

Wow, they typical American worker has a house like that?


My boss is screwing us!

Just to make a point that you cannot compete with a Chinese worker, because he can make the product for less. Any of these cons could put their own home & possessions in that picture, and they as individuals would still not be able to compete with the chines worker in that hut. And that as the point for the dumbed-down exercise for the cons.

 

[The T]

Are you another capitalist that would work for free to have a job?

If that is what it takes to get my foot in the door, then yes...And as far as benefits...I wouldn't think that the people I work for can print money, and then try to screw them as if they could...One of these days a business, no matter how big, is going to grow some balls and tell the unions to f**k off...I for one will cheer and throw some business there way to show my support.

It's OK to let it out my friend. And yes the sooner they do it? The better. Corporations under the Union thumb need to do so post haste and put them in their place.

 

[The T]

TWO EQUALLY INDEPENDENT COMPETITIVE WORKERS. WHICH ONE WILL GET THE JOB?


CHINESE WORKER

AMERICAN WORKER

Wow, they typical American worker has a house like that?


My boss is screwing us!

Just to make a point that you cannot compete with a Chinese worker, because he can make the product for less. Any of these cons could put their own home & possessions in that picture, and they as individuals would still not be able to compete with the chines worker in that hut. And that as the point for the dumbed-down exercise for the cons.

And what is China's STAND on Unions? That's right...they're all in JAIL and re-education camps.

 

[hortysir]

First, I don't believe you, and second prove that statement, ya scab.

First, you're an idiot then
Second, here ya go:



GM in Crisis—5 Reasons Why America's Largest Car Company Teeters on the Edge - Popular Mechanics

Legacy Costs

Every car GM makes carries "legacy costs"--the costs of providing healthcare and pensions to scores of retired workers. For every GM worker, there are about 10 dependants, which are defined as retired workers and their families. According to Cole, "When the international car companies came to the U.S., the move stuck the domestics with a very large disadvantage related to legacy costs. And that's $2000 a car." That two grand must be built into the sticker price of any new GM car and truck. And that's money on top of developing, producing and marketing a car--costs that Honda, Toyota and others don't have. It makes competing difficult for the domestic automakers, "like playing basketball with a bowling ball," according to Cole. GM's per-hour labor rate for car assembly is about $75 per hour, compared to $40 to $45 for other car companies. That particular disadvantage, says Cole, will be "gone by the end of next year," when a new labor agreement goes into effect.

Now will you go away?

So 0ne out of five items on your list has to do with worker benefits? Are you another capitalist that would work for free to have a job? Is this why you think workers shouldn't have benefits to cover their families? Is this why you don't feel you should make a living wage for your family? Come on Capitalist, tell me all about how you are deserving, but no one else is? LMAO!!!

Are those goalposts heavy?
You asked me to prove my claim that 2 grand of new car prices is attributed to legacy costs.
I did that.
I have zero obligation to answer these newest set of questions.
Just to ease your conscience, however,
I work for a Fortune 300 company whose benefits are provided by a Fortune 100 company.
A company that was one of only 2 dozen others that realized an increase in our stock prices in the previous year.
The only one in our particular industry that actually grew new locations last year (and this year).

I do quite well.
I don't need to pay any dues to an invisible political machine.

 

[shintao]

First, I don't believe you, and second prove that statement, ya scab.

First, you're an idiot then
Second, here ya go:



GM in Crisis—5 Reasons Why America's Largest Car Company Teeters on the Edge - Popular Mechanics

Legacy Costs

Every car GM makes carries "legacy costs"--the costs of providing healthcare and pensions to scores of retired workers. For every GM worker, there are about 10 dependants, which are defined as retired workers and their families. According to Cole, "When the international car companies came to the U.S., the move stuck the domestics with a very large disadvantage related to legacy costs. And that's $2000 a car." That two grand must be built into the sticker price of any new GM car and truck. And that's money on top of developing, producing and marketing a car--costs that Honda, Toyota and others don't have. It makes competing difficult for the domestic automakers, "like playing basketball with a bowling ball," according to Cole. GM's per-hour labor rate for car assembly is about $75 per hour, compared to $40 to $45 for other car companies. That particular disadvantage, says Cole, will be "gone by the end of next year," when a new labor agreement goes into effect.

Now will you go away?

So 0ne out of five items on your list has to do with worker benefits? Are you another capitalist that would work for free to have a job? Is this why you think workers shouldn't have benefits to cover their families? Is this why you don't feel you should make a living wage for your family? Come on Capitalist, tell me all about how you are deserving, but no one else is? LMAO!!!

By the way, the article is lying to suggest a worker is getting $2,000. benefits a car. That is absurd. Further it is a lie that the workers are getting $75. an hour, when it is only $29.00 an hours. Your dismissed.

 

[hortysir]

The Chinese house is gay..............


Now I see that CEO mansion and I dont give a crap. Good for that guy........he pays mega-taxes and helps create jobs and opportunity. The guy in the Chinese house? Not so much............

The k00ks in this forum live their lives in a perpetual state of jealousy and misery and nothing would provide them more delight than fcukking the guy in the mansion.

Radio already caught the shithead in that lie.

Simply right click on the image and copy image location.
Paste it into your address bar and you'll see that the title of the image is Lebron James mansion.

A lie that fuckstick has conveniently ignored getting caught in

Ahem.

My apologies


A lie that DAVE caught him in

 

[RadiomanATL]

English isn't your strong suit, is it?

No wonder you have to have someone else think for you and make your career decisions.

 

[daveman]

By the way, the article is lying to suggest a worker is getting $2,000. benefits a car. That is absurd. Further it is a lie that the workers are getting $75. an hour, when it is only $29.00 an hours. Your dismissed.

That's not the claim. The claim is that unions cost the car buyer 2 grand per car.

And that claim has been substantiated.

 

[shintao]

If that is the American worker's house, then he doesn't need to work again.

Oh. wait. You were just spouting off useless hyperbole again.

You may continue with your bullshit.

So you are the one who is blind. Obviously, you cannot compete with a chinese worker, because you require so more as this individual. If you live in an alley, you might compete by begging after work for food. So being an ass, you can't compete.

Actually, I can compete. Actually, chinese workers are locked out of what I do. Like I said, you may continue to spout bullshit.

So you lock out the chinese worker from what you do, and think that is the typical worker in America?? You imbecile spouting bullshit, not that I am unhappy you found a way, where 300 million Americans didn't. Scabby. What is this government protected job you have?

 

[daveman]

My apologies


A lie that DAVE caught him in

*tips hat*

 

[daveman]

So you are the one who is blind. Obviously, you cannot compete with a chinese worker, because you require so more as this individual. If you live in an alley, you might compete by begging after work for food. So being an ass, you can't compete.

Actually, I can compete. Actually, chinese workers are locked out of what I do. Like I said, you may continue to spout bullshit.

So you lock out the chinese worker from what you do, and think that is the typical worker in America?? You imbecile spouting bullshit, not that I am unhappy you found a way, where 300 million Americans didn't. Scabby.

Coming from someone who's claiming LeBron James is an average American worker, you really have no credibility here, Skippy.

 

[shintao]

That was all you posted. Huh?



Not blind at all. GM workers make more money than nonUnion scab workers.




Thats what is being suggested imbecile, that there is something wrong for a capitalist to strive fro higher wages and benefits and retirements. I can only assume you expect the scab to work for free in your ideal world.



And retirement packages? Benefits like free legal advice? Dental care? Employment placements? Job training? Tell you the truth, I think you are full of bullshit.








You lost. Good day.

You folded and ran. Take care.

I countered each and every point.

You countered with "you folded and ran".


I don't think anyone is fooled here sparky.

Shouldn't be Loser..............

 

[RadiomanATL]

So you are the one who is blind. Obviously, you cannot compete with a chinese worker, because you require so more as this individual. If you live in an alley, you might compete by begging after work for food. So being an ass, you can't compete.

Actually, I can compete. Actually, chinese workers are locked out of what I do. Like I said, you may continue to spout bullshit.

So you lock out the chinese worker from what you do, and think that is the typical worker in America??

I didn't lock a chinese worker out of my job.

Geography did.

Moron.

 

[RadiomanATL]

You folded and ran. Take care.

I countered each and every point.

You countered with "you folded and ran".


I don't think anyone is fooled here sparky.

Shouldn't be Loser..............

Give it another go.

Try using understandable English this time, sparky

 

[shintao]

That’s because labor costs, for all the attention they have been receiving, make up only about 10 percent of the cost of making a vehicle.​

The article gives a good breakdown of what the unions cost the car-buyer.

Here is what Union workers cost the truck buyer.

The average GM assembly-line worker makes about $29 per hour in wages.

GM produces 1,428 trucks a day

Union employees 214

$29.00 Hr. X 8 hours X 214 Union workers = $49648.00 -:- 1428 Trks = 34.77 a truck labor.

Any questions?


Seeing the light on the GM line | The Journal Gazette | Fort Wayne, IN




Seeing the light on the GM line | The Journal Gazette | Fort Wayne, IN

So the only people who are union workers at GM are the assembly line workers? Not the forklift drivers, the parts drivers, the secretaries, the janitors, AND THE RETIRED WORKERS WHO ARE STILL RECEIVING BENEFITS.

Idiot.

We are talking Union Members on the assembling line THAT BUILD CARS. Get a fucking grip! You are Losing it scabby. Imbecile, read the thread if you are going to keep up. DUH!