Unions in the US

Unions in the US


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PS.........its threads like this that identify those that dont own anything and have a life of zero responsibility.

Have a mortgage to pay then come in here and spout off about how awesome unions are. Every time I check the mail, my fcukking local taxes are going up to support all this union greed.
 
LOL! No American can compete with a foreigner in the Global market.

On an individual basis?

TWO EQUALLY INDEPENDENT COMPETITIVE WORKERS. WHICH ONE WILL GET THE JOB?


CHINESE WORKER
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AMERICAN WORKER
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Wow, they typical American worker has a house like that?


My boss is screwing us!
 
On an individual basis?

TWO EQUALLY INDEPENDENT COMPETITIVE WORKERS. WHICH ONE WILL GET THE JOB?


CHINESE WORKER
1470849-Chinese_huts_from_19th_century-Arrowtown.jpg


AMERICAN WORKER
lebron-miami-manshion-1.jpg

If that is the American worker's house, then he doesn't need to work again.

Oh. wait. You were just spouting off useless hyperbole again.

You may continue with your bullshit.

So you are the one who is blind. Obviously, you cannot compete with a chinese worker, because you require so more as this individual. If you live in an alley, you might compete by begging after work for food. So being an ass, you can't compete.
 
So you are the one who is blind. Obviously, you cannot compete with a chinese worker, because you require so more as this individual. If you live in an alley, you might compete by begging after work for food. So being an ass, you can't compete.

Is the Chinese worker living in the 19th century hut as good a ball player as LeBron James?
 
My dad was part of a union his entire working life. I remember him when he was on strike when I was in high school. When he got in trouble, they helped save his ass.

That strike he was in while I was in high school convinced the company that continuing operations at that plant was counterproductive, and they closed it down the next year.

I have never been part of a union.

Key to the success of the labour movement was that all workers were apart of it.

This article gives a fine explanation of the same forces on a smaller scale:

The Line You Do Not Cross

Crossing the picket line is not a neutral act. The nature of work means that a worker cannot simply say they are not involved in the dispute and remain neutral. Since the point of withdrawing labour is to cease production and force the bosses to negotiate or capitulate, going back to work is to objectively favour those in charge. It gives them a way to carry on work (even at a reduced rate) without the strikers and so lessens the impact of the action. It is, in short, a betrayal of your fellow workers and of the spirit of solidarity that brought us to the (limited) rights and freedoms we enjoy today from conditions comparable to Chinese sweatshops.
 
PS.........its threads like this that identify those that dont own anything and have a life of zero responsibility.

Have a mortgage to pay then come in here and spout off about how awesome unions are. Every time I check the mail, my fcukking local taxes are going up to support all this union greed.

And all the while those that they supposedly represent are still screaming...
 
LOL! No American can compete with a foreigner in the Global market, so it would make no difference if the worker is Union or NonUnion. I assume you are a capitalist that doesn't believe in making more money & benefits, so would work for free. Don't assume it is the Unions that caused $14 bulbs. That is why CEOs have a employment and there is a gap in this country between the middle class & top 10%. Had there been Union job protection for the scabs the gap would have never happened. Now you find your only options are making less money and giving up your benefits. Tsk!! And then blame Unions!!! LMAO!! I don't see Union members starving with their livingwages and benefits, and I do see disgrunted people like you jealous because of what Unions have done for their workers.
Disgruntled because $2,000 of any new car price is strictly to cover these ridiculous legacy costs, you Hack.

First, I don't believe you, and second prove that statement, ya scab.
First, you're an idiot then
Second, here ya go:



GM in Crisis—5 Reasons Why America's Largest Car Company Teeters on the Edge - Popular Mechanics


Legacy Costs

Every car GM makes carries "legacy costs"--the costs of providing healthcare and pensions to scores of retired workers. For every GM worker, there are about 10 dependants, which are defined as retired workers and their families. According to Cole, "When the international car companies came to the U.S., the move stuck the domestics with a very large disadvantage related to legacy costs. And that's $2000 a car." That two grand must be built into the sticker price of any new GM car and truck. And that's money on top of developing, producing and marketing a car--costs that Honda, Toyota and others don't have. It makes competing difficult for the domestic automakers, "like playing basketball with a bowling ball," according to Cole. GM's per-hour labor rate for car assembly is about $75 per hour, compared to $40 to $45 for other car companies. That particular disadvantage, says Cole, will be "gone by the end of next year," when a new labor agreement goes into effect.

Now will you go away?
:eusa_hand:
 
The Chinese house is gay..............


Now I see that CEO mansion and I dont give a crap. Good for that guy........he pays mega-taxes and helps create jobs and opportunity. The guy in the Chinese house? Not so much............

The k00ks in this forum live their lives in a perpetual state of jealousy and misery and nothing would provide them more delight than fcukking the guy in the mansion.
 
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The Chinese house is gay..............


Now I see that CEO mansion and I dont give a crap. Good for that guy........he pays mega-taxes and helps create jobs and opportunity. The guy in the Chinese house? Not so much............

The k00ks in this forum live their lives in a perpetual state of jealousy and misery and nothing would provide them more delight than fcukking the guy in the mansion.
Radio already caught the shithead in that lie.

Simply right click on the image and copy image location.
Paste it into your address bar and you'll see that the title of the image is Lebron James mansion.

A lie that fuckstick has conveniently ignored getting caught in
:eusa_shhh:
 
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That was all you posted. Huh?



Not blind at all. GM workers make more money than nonUnion scab workers.




Thats what is being suggested imbecile, that there is something wrong for a capitalist to strive fro higher wages and benefits and retirements. I can only assume you expect the scab to work for free in your ideal world.



And retirement packages? Benefits like free legal advice? Dental care? Employment placements? Job training? Tell you the truth, I think you are full of bullshit.:eusa_whistle:





That is what you are suggesting, that a Union worker making a living wage is making too much money, ya scab. I am just putting down what your are saying scabby. You want to play this big capitalist role, yet deny workers a living wage. What the hell do you work for if not for a living wage? You just lost the argument scabby.


You lost. Good day.

You folded and ran. Take care.

I countered each and every point.

You countered with "you folded and ran".


I don't think anyone is fooled here sparky.
 
When a union forms, if you are part of the <50% who did not want to join, too bad in the majority of cases. Either you join or find a new job.
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Right to Work States | National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation
In my area, there are two major chain grocery stores. One is union, one is not. They have nearly identical benefit packages for their workers. Identical pay scales. Only difference is that the Union members see more money taken out of their check for union dues than the non-union store. For no extra benefits than the non-union store.

Yeah, thats a winner for the workers. :thup: Lets take more money away from those who can least afford to lose it.

The flaw: would the other store have such benefits if they didn't have to view with the first store for workers?[/QUOTE]

Most likely, yes. They're both national chain grocery stores. Kroger and Publix. Kroger is unionized, Publix isn't.
 
TWO EQUALLY INDEPENDENT COMPETITIVE WORKERS. WHICH ONE WILL GET THE JOB?


CHINESE WORKER
1470849-Chinese_huts_from_19th_century-Arrowtown.jpg


AMERICAN WORKER
lebron-miami-manshion-1.jpg

If that is the American worker's house, then he doesn't need to work again.

Oh. wait. You were just spouting off useless hyperbole again.

You may continue with your bullshit.

So you are the one who is blind. Obviously, you cannot compete with a chinese worker, because you require so more as this individual. If you live in an alley, you might compete by begging after work for food. So being an ass, you can't compete.

Actually, I can compete. Actually, chinese workers are locked out of what I do. Like I said, you may continue to spout bullshit.
 
Disgruntled because $2,000 of any new car price is strictly to cover these ridiculous legacy costs, you Hack.

First, I don't believe you, and second prove that statement, ya scab.

That’s because labor costs, for all the attention they have been receiving, make up only about 10 percent of the cost of making a vehicle.​
The article gives a good breakdown of what the unions cost the car-buyer.

Here is what Union workers cost the truck buyer.

The average GM assembly-line worker makes about $29 per hour in wages.

GM produces 1,428 trucks a day

Union employees 214

$29.00 Hr. X 8 hours X 214 Union workers = $49648.00 -:- 1428 Trks = 34.77 a truck labor.

Any questions?


Seeing the light on the GM line | The Journal Gazette | Fort Wayne, IN




Seeing the light on the GM line | The Journal Gazette | Fort Wayne, IN
 
First, I don't believe you, and second prove that statement, ya scab.

That’s because labor costs, for all the attention they have been receiving, make up only about 10 percent of the cost of making a vehicle.​
The article gives a good breakdown of what the unions cost the car-buyer.

Here is what Union workers cost the truck buyer.

The average GM assembly-line worker makes about $29 per hour in wages.

GM produces 1,428 trucks a day

Union employees 214

$29.00 Hr. X 8 hours X 214 Union workers = $49648.00 -:- 1428 Trks = 34.77 a truck labor.

Any questions?


Seeing the light on the GM line | The Journal Gazette | Fort Wayne, IN




Seeing the light on the GM line | The Journal Gazette | Fort Wayne, IN

So the only people who are union workers at GM are the assembly line workers? Not the forklift drivers, the parts drivers, the secretaries, the janitors, AND THE RETIRED WORKERS WHO ARE STILL RECEIVING BENEFITS.

Idiot.
 
I detect Shintao might be a union hack? I too have had a couple bad experiences with union workers...Out of the couple times I've ever dealt with them personally...Libs complain about a couple instances of violence in thousands of tea Party rallies, but ignore the fact that there is violence in every 2-3 union rallies...There should be a wage cap on union members...minimum wage + 20%...their original intent was to protect the most vulnerable workers...Fat ass plumbers, electicians, and auto workers, who make $35 an hour have destroyed the market for future fat ass plumbers, electricians, and auto workers.

Glew must be a scab corporate Hack? Yes, a proud Union member here. :clap2:

Yes Shintao, it is true...Us land surveyors are in deeeeep with large corporations...lolol...All 13 employees in the company I worked for get paid by GE, IBM, and Wells Fargo to stump for the utopian dream that is big business...hahaha...Now I might think that you DO get on buses to protest this or that company, that your union masters decide are against the collective?
 
PS.........its threads like this that identify those that dont own anything and have a life of zero responsibility.

Have a mortgage to pay then come in here and spout off about how awesome unions are. Every time I check the mail, my fcukking local taxes are going up to support all this union greed.

Oh, you poor boy, the whine & crying is running over your golden goblet and onto the marble topped table. You chose a capitalist system where you must feed the IRS monster annually, and not the Socialist Germany system where you pay property taxes 1 time when you buy the property. TSK! Those evil socialists making you look like a fool...........LMAO! :lol::lol:
 
That’s because labor costs, for all the attention they have been receiving, make up only about 10 percent of the cost of making a vehicle.
The article gives a good breakdown of what the unions cost the car-buyer.

Here is what Union workers cost the truck buyer.

The average GM assembly-line worker makes about $29 per hour in wages.

GM produces 1,428 trucks a day

Union employees 214

$29.00 Hr. X 8 hours X 214 Union workers = $49648.00 -:- 1428 Trks = 34.77 a truck labor.

Any questions?


Seeing the light on the GM line | The Journal Gazette | Fort Wayne, IN




Seeing the light on the GM line | The Journal Gazette | Fort Wayne, IN

So the only people who are union workers at GM are the assembly line workers? Not the forklift drivers, the parts drivers, the secretaries, the janitors, AND THE RETIRED WORKERS WHO ARE STILL RECEIVING BENEFITS.

Idiot.

*Roger This*
 
That was all you posted. Huh?



Not blind at all. GM workers make more money than nonUnion scab workers.




Thats what is being suggested imbecile, that there is something wrong for a capitalist to strive fro higher wages and benefits and retirements. I can only assume you expect the scab to work for free in your ideal world.



And retirement packages? Benefits like free legal advice? Dental care? Employment placements? Job training? Tell you the truth, I think you are full of bullshit.:eusa_whistle:








You lost. Good day.

You folded and ran. Take care.

I countered each and every point.

You countered with "you folded and ran".


I don't think anyone is fooled here sparky.

That’s because labor costs, for all the attention they have been receiving, make up only about 10 percent of the cost of making a vehicle.​
The article gives a good breakdown of what the unions cost the car-buyer.

Here is what Union workers cost the truck buyer.

The average GM assembly-line worker makes about $29 per hour in wages.

GM produces 1,428 trucks a day

Union employees 214

$29.00 Hr. X 8 hours X 214 Union workers = $49648.00 -:- 1428 Trks = 34.77 a truck labor.

Any questions?


Seeing the light on the GM line | The Journal Gazette | Fort Wayne, IN




Seeing the light on the GM line | The Journal Gazette | Fort Wayne, IN

So the only people who are union workers at GM are the assembly line workers? Not the forklift drivers, the parts drivers, the secretaries, the janitors, AND THE RETIRED WORKERS WHO ARE STILL RECEIVING BENEFITS.

Idiot.

There's also the inconvenient fact that hourly wages alone don't reflect the total compensation package for ANY of these employees or retirees.

You're talking turkey, he's chucking us a chicken leg and calling it Thanksgiving.
 
Disgruntled because $2,000 of any new car price is strictly to cover these ridiculous legacy costs, you Hack.

First, I don't believe you, and second prove that statement, ya scab.
First, you're an idiot then
Second, here ya go:



GM in Crisis&#8212;5 Reasons Why America's Largest Car Company Teeters on the Edge - Popular Mechanics


Legacy Costs

Every car GM makes carries "legacy costs"--the costs of providing healthcare and pensions to scores of retired workers. For every GM worker, there are about 10 dependants, which are defined as retired workers and their families. According to Cole, "When the international car companies came to the U.S., the move stuck the domestics with a very large disadvantage related to legacy costs. And that's $2000 a car." That two grand must be built into the sticker price of any new GM car and truck. And that's money on top of developing, producing and marketing a car--costs that Honda, Toyota and others don't have. It makes competing difficult for the domestic automakers, "like playing basketball with a bowling ball," according to Cole. GM's per-hour labor rate for car assembly is about $75 per hour, compared to $40 to $45 for other car companies. That particular disadvantage, says Cole, will be "gone by the end of next year," when a new labor agreement goes into effect.

Now will you go away?
:eusa_hand:

So one out of five items on your list has to do with worker benefits? Are you another capitalist that would work for free to have a job? Is this why you think workers shouldn't have benefits to cover their families? Is this why you don't feel you should make a living wage for your family? Come on Capitalist, tell me all about how you are deserving, but no one else is? LMAO!!!:lol::lol:
 
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