Unions Hold California Hostage

I don't have a credibility issue on these boards. You can disagree with my beliefs, but I don't think you'll find me lying.
Bobo.....if there is one thing, about you, that i agree with, you are VERY consistant with your beliefs....there are some left leaners on this forum who try to be like you, but come up short....i very seldom agree with ya Bo....but you are fun to joust with....oh by the way i dont think the Meister is a southern boy....just sayin....
 
Let's have it your way BoooBoo. We'll ALL work for the government. We'll ALL get big fat pay raises every year because government pay is not subject to market forces.

it will be democrat nirvana. The government pays everyone one week then takes taxes from everyone to pay them the next week. The perpetual self sustaining tax. it doesn't matter that government employees produce nothing of any value all that matters is that government employees get higher and higher pay every year no matter what the economy is doing.

You cannot be pro-jobs and anti-business.

"government employees produce nothing of any value"?.......ill have you know Skull ...that it is guys like me who deliver all those nice ads to your mailbox every day....now i bet your sorry you said that.....:eusa_eh:

You mean all that paper that's destroying the forests and causing global warming?

You should be shot for helping to kill the planet.
 
Let's have it your way BoooBoo. We'll ALL work for the government. We'll ALL get big fat pay raises every year because government pay is not subject to market forces.

it will be democrat nirvana. The government pays everyone one week then takes taxes from everyone to pay them the next week. The perpetual self sustaining tax. it doesn't matter that government employees produce nothing of any value all that matters is that government employees get higher and higher pay every year no matter what the economy is doing.

You cannot be pro-jobs and anti-business.

"government employees produce nothing of any value"?.......ill have you know Skull ...that it is guys like me who deliver all those nice ads to your mailbox every day....now i bet your sorry you said that.....:eusa_eh:

You mean all that paper that's destroying the forests and causing global warming?

You should be shot for helping to kill the planet.

Not to mention they LOSE MORE money every year then they ever make. While Private firms doing similar business MAKE money. Of course private firms can fire poor preformance employees, employees that are sick all the time, employees that fail to do their jobs, etc etc.

My Grand Father was in Postal Service, he was Post Master for 4 years in Pullman Washington. He would turn over in his GRAVE if he saw what that profession has become.

Have a friend that is a Postal Delivery guy. He is NOT Union and has nothing but BAD things to say about the brain dead LAZY, shiftless turds that he works with that are Union.
 
One of the biggest stories in politics earlier this year was about California's budget teetering on the edge of a $42-billion deficit abyss. It only staved off insolvency when its legislature ended three months of gridlock to pass a budget with steep tax hikes and spending cuts. Guess what the Obama Administration is doing? It is telling Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger that it will revoke nearly $7 billion in federal stimulus money unless the state restores legislated wage cuts for unionized health-care workers.

Obama Administration to federalism: Drop dead.

In its budget deal, California agreed to $74 million in wage cuts for unionized home health-care workers. The Service Employees International Union huffed to the higher power in Washington, which duly agreed to hold California's stimulus hostage.

Governor Schwarzenegger has sent a letter asking the feds to reconsider, noting the cuts were taken in response to "an unprecedented fiscal crisis." Even now the state faces an estimated cash-flow problem of some $17 billion by July.

Demoting California - WSJ.com

This is just crazy. Its bad enough that California is already a basket case, but the unions and the Obama administration are making it far more difficult for the state to bail itself out.

In other news, French will become a required language in California and DC.

This article needs to give us more background about HOW the CA legislature altered the CONTRACT it had with those workers.


It READS to me like the legislators of CA simply broke the contract they had using the power of the law to ignore its provisions

Anyone have the particulars about his contract and the changes that were made to it?
 
One of the biggest stories in politics earlier this year was about California's budget teetering on the edge of a $42-billion deficit abyss. It only staved off insolvency when its legislature ended three months of gridlock to pass a budget with steep tax hikes and spending cuts. Guess what the Obama Administration is doing? It is telling Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger that it will revoke nearly $7 billion in federal stimulus money unless the state restores legislated wage cuts for unionized health-care workers.

Obama Administration to federalism: Drop dead.

In its budget deal, California agreed to $74 million in wage cuts for unionized home health-care workers. The Service Employees International Union huffed to the higher power in Washington, which duly agreed to hold California's stimulus hostage.

Governor Schwarzenegger has sent a letter asking the feds to reconsider, noting the cuts were taken in response to "an unprecedented fiscal crisis." Even now the state faces an estimated cash-flow problem of some $17 billion by July.

Demoting California - WSJ.com

This is just crazy. Its bad enough that California is already a basket case, but the unions and the Obama administration are making it far more difficult for the state to bail itself out.

In other news, French will become a required language in California and DC.

This article needs to give us more background about HOW the CA legislature altered the CONTRACT it had with those workers.


It READS to me like the legislators of CA simply broke the contract they had using the power of the law to ignore its provisions

Anyone have the particulars about his contract and the changes that were made to it?

You mean like Obama wants to BREAK the Contracts with the bail out funds? Or have you forgotten the whole AIG stink?
 
One of the biggest stories in politics earlier this year was about California's budget teetering on the edge of a $42-billion deficit abyss. It only staved off insolvency when its legislature ended three months of gridlock to pass a budget with steep tax hikes and spending cuts. Guess what the Obama Administration is doing? It is telling Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger that it will revoke nearly $7 billion in federal stimulus money unless the state restores legislated wage cuts for unionized health-care workers.

Obama Administration to federalism: Drop dead.

In its budget deal, California agreed to $74 million in wage cuts for unionized home health-care workers. The Service Employees International Union huffed to the higher power in Washington, which duly agreed to hold California's stimulus hostage.

Governor Schwarzenegger has sent a letter asking the feds to reconsider, noting the cuts were taken in response to "an unprecedented fiscal crisis." Even now the state faces an estimated cash-flow problem of some $17 billion by July.

Demoting California - WSJ.com

This is just crazy. Its bad enough that California is already a basket case, but the unions and the Obama administration are making it far more difficult for the state to bail itself out.

In other news, French will become a required language in California and DC.


Why don't you say what you really mean. Labor is holding American Corporations down.

Do you have a view on the WSJ article, Sealy?
 
Demoting California - WSJ.com

This is just crazy. Its bad enough that California is already a basket case, but the unions and the Obama administration are making it far more difficult for the state to bail itself out.

In other news, French will become a required language in California and DC.

This article needs to give us more background about HOW the CA legislature altered the CONTRACT it had with those workers.


It READS to me like the legislators of CA simply broke the contract they had using the power of the law to ignore its provisions

Anyone have the particulars about his contract and the changes that were made to it?

You mean like Obama wants to BREAK the Contracts with the bail out funds? Or have you forgotten the whole AIG stink?

Do you have any information about this issue?
 
And what is your way? The right wing Republican way. The kind of people who have been brainwashed with talk like this
Bobo you are the last person who should be talking about being brainwashed.....i think your kinda there yourself.....

I haven't been brainwashed. My opinions are subject to change.

What specifically am I brainwashed about?
 
I don't have a credibility issue on these boards. You can disagree with my beliefs, but I don't think you'll find me lying.
Bobo.....if there is one thing, about you, that i agree with, you are VERY consistant with your beliefs....there are some left leaners on this forum who try to be like you, but come up short....i very seldom agree with ya Bo....but you are fun to joust with....oh by the way i dont think the Meister is a southern boy....just sayin....

I can't think of anything the GOP has to offer.

Guns? They just use that as a wedge issue, and if they had their way, everyone would be carrying a gun.

Abortion? I want it kept legal.

Gays? Live and let live, and treat everyone equally, don't descriminate.

Labor vs Corporations? I'm labor.

Sending jobs overseas? No.

Torture? Illegal.

Bottom line is this. The GOP are definately the more crafty/clever politicians. Unfortunately, they are not the best at governing. And there is class warfare going on and there always has been and always will. You middle class conservatives only think you belong to the GOP. You don't have enough money!

If more of you woke up, they would change. They would start fighting for labor and not just corporations and the rich. But hell, not only do you not complain, you defend the GOP when they fuck labor. As if you aren't labor. Even you small business owners are labor, whether you know it or not. And it isn't like your lives improved under GOP rule. Did they solve your tax woes? I didn't think so.

The GOP knows it doesn't have to change. And why change when the rich have more money to give them. Plus, you guys don't require that they change. All you care is that they talk a good talk. You are fooled by slick talking politicians.

I'm not. I only care if they deliver.

Its very rare to pull off what Obama did, so most politicians have to sell out to corporate special interest. Hell, even Obama has to sell out to a degree.

And it isn't like I am anti corporations/rich. I want our politicians to help our corporations be more competitive with the rest of the world. But not at my expense.

There will always be a struggle between them and us. They want us to pay more and we think they should pick up the check.

Ever go out to eat with a rich relative? Who picks up the bill? Exactly!!!
 
And what is your way? The right wing Republican way. The kind of people who have been brainwashed with talk like this
Bobo you are the last person who should be talking about being brainwashed.....i think your kinda there yourself.....

I haven't been brainwashed. My opinions are subject to change.

What specifically am I brainwashed about?

Well, it occurred to me that rather than commenting on the article and saying whether you agreed or disagreed with it (and why), you chose to focus on Republicans sending jobs overseas.

Not brainwashing, to be sure, but it appears to be sidestepping the issue in order to mount an attack.
 
Ever go out to eat with a rich relative? Who picks up the bill? Exactly!!!

I had dinner with my hugely wealthy brother last year and, I'm ashamed to say, it's the first time I have ever picked up the tab. I only got away with it because he had gone to the bathroom and I asked for the check immediately after he left the table.
 
Bobo you are the last person who should be talking about being brainwashed.....i think your kinda there yourself.....

I haven't been brainwashed. My opinions are subject to change.

What specifically am I brainwashed about?

Well, it occurred to me that rather than commenting on the article and saying whether you agreed or disagreed with it (and why), you chose to focus on Republicans sending jobs overseas.

Not brainwashing, to be sure, but it appears to be sidestepping the issue in order to mount an attack.

That's what this is all about. I don't get easily distracted with these little pissant stories.

Unions = Labor. Unions are fighting for labor, workers, the middle class, Americans.

And who are you referring to when you say unions are holding California hostage? Do you mean corporations that operate within California's borders?

Then don't refer to the corporations as California. The people are California. Therefore, the unions are California.

So the unions can't be holding themselves hostage. Can they?
 
Ever go out to eat with a rich relative? Who picks up the bill? Exactly!!!

I had dinner with my hugely wealthy brother last year and, I'm ashamed to say, it's the first time I have ever picked up the tab. I only got away with it because he had gone to the bathroom and I asked for the check immediately after he left the table.

I do that with my VP brother. Usually I let him pay for everything, but once in awhile you got to show you aren't a cheap bastard. :lol:
 
If you really make 75K a year....which with your credibility into play, I'm not so sure... But, as much time you spend on this board, your overpaid...no bones about it.

I don't have a credibility issue on these boards. You can disagree with my beliefs, but I don't think you'll find me lying. I take offense to that and hope your kidneys fail. :lol:

So basically I do make more than you. What a piece of shit bragger you are and it turns out you don't even make a lot of money. HA! You think $75K is a lot. HA! Broke ass. You're probably a southerner I bet.

And, I only make $35K salary. The rest is commission. So clearly I'm hitting my goals. In sales, you are measured by your sales. Everyone in my office says, "imagine what you could make if you put as much energy into sales as you do politics".

And a lot of people in my office are like you right wing greedy ignorant bastards. So afraid they'll be giving something up if healthcare goes to single payer that they don't realize that the healthcare industry is ripping them off.

And they don't think our jobs could ever go to India or down south, yet they are starting to. Now we compete with Fort Worth Texas and THEY are sending jobs to india. Yea, I work for the man. What else can I do? And they have taken money away from all of us. Even my right wing co workers admit this year they have to sell more and will make less.

Or how about my pharma buddies who lost their jobs. They voted for Bush thinking the GOP was good to their industry. And they are, but they just don't give a fuck about the employees.

Do you know how many people I know that considered themselves conservatives and voted for Bush that ended up voting for Obama? Why are you still clinging to failure?


Can you answer why Gunny made you apologize To Willow?
I do believe YOU TOLD A BIG FAT LIE ABOUT HER BOBO

That's why I have to put your credibility into play when you make statements
I never said how much, I make bobo. All I've ever stated was that I retired at 57.
I never did state that 75,000 or 85,000 was a lot of money. I just questioned your credibilty, and I stated you were overpaid. So go pound sand bobo.

I take it your pleading the 5th on this bobo? I rest my case. :lol:
 
I don't have a credibility issue on these boards. You can disagree with my beliefs, but I don't think you'll find me lying. I take offense to that and hope your kidneys fail. :lol:

So basically I do make more than you. What a piece of shit bragger you are and it turns out you don't even make a lot of money. HA! You think $75K is a lot. HA! Broke ass. You're probably a southerner I bet.

And, I only make $35K salary. The rest is commission. So clearly I'm hitting my goals. In sales, you are measured by your sales. Everyone in my office says, "imagine what you could make if you put as much energy into sales as you do politics".

And a lot of people in my office are like you right wing greedy ignorant bastards. So afraid they'll be giving something up if healthcare goes to single payer that they don't realize that the healthcare industry is ripping them off.

And they don't think our jobs could ever go to India or down south, yet they are starting to. Now we compete with Fort Worth Texas and THEY are sending jobs to india. Yea, I work for the man. What else can I do? And they have taken money away from all of us. Even my right wing co workers admit this year they have to sell more and will make less.

Or how about my pharma buddies who lost their jobs. They voted for Bush thinking the GOP was good to their industry. And they are, but they just don't give a fuck about the employees.

Do you know how many people I know that considered themselves conservatives and voted for Bush that ended up voting for Obama? Why are you still clinging to failure?


Can you answer why Gunny made you apologize To Willow?
I do believe YOU TOLD A BIG FAT LIE ABOUT HER BOBO

That's why I have to put your credibility into play when you make statements
I never said how much, I make bobo. All I've ever stated was that I retired at 57.
I never did state that 75,000 or 85,000 was a lot of money. I just questioned your credibilty, and I stated you were overpaid. So go pound sand bobo.

I take it your pleading the 5th on this bobo? I rest my case. :lol:

First off, you said you bet you made more than me ten years ago or something like that. Don't brag and end up being a broke ass old man. Just shut your lip. :eusa_shhh:

As if you worked hard. :eusa_liar:

Your generation is what is killing this country. We need to start another war and send all you baby boomers to fight. And send you without body armor like you sent our soldiers to Iraq. And spread you thin like you did them. Fucking worst generation in US history you baby boomers. The WW2 generation was the best, you, the worst. Its was on your watch that America was destroyed. How old is Bush, about your age?

Anyways, back to my credibility. Gunny made me apologize because I negative repped Willow and asked her if she wanted me to cum over later. She's super sensitive and ready to complain about anything.

And I apologized to her before I got in trouble for lying about her yes. I admit it. I said that she private messaged me about another poster and instead of kittenkidder, I said Willow called her pussycooter.

I was kidding but of course you right wingers don't know how to take a joke. You are proof of that. You think me saying that joke means I don't have credibility, which means you don't get that I was kidding. :lol:

Neither do feminists.
 
California, the land of illegal aliens, street gangs, and homosexuals, is selling its assets. Years of socialist policies has driven people and businesses from the state and has destroyed any chance of survival for socialist state.

Governor Threatens to Sell California Landmarks - WSJ.com

Was it socialist when Bush tried to sell our ports to Dubai?

We have been warning you for years that corporations and politicians have been selling our country cheap to foreign investors.

Now you're gonna call it socialism and blame liberals?

Are you sure you know what socialism means?
 
California, the land of illegal aliens, street gangs, and homosexuals, is selling its assets. Years of socialist policies has driven people and businesses from the state and has destroyed any chance of survival for socialist state.

Governor Threatens to Sell California Landmarks - WSJ.com

lets see, arnold has been gov for how long now and they are a socialist state? how exactly do you come to that assesment friend?
 
California, the land of illegal aliens, street gangs, and homosexuals, is selling its assets. Years of socialist policies has driven people and businesses from the state and has destroyed any chance of survival for socialist state.

Governor Threatens to Sell California Landmarks - WSJ.com

Was it socialist when Bush tried to sell our ports to Dubai?

We have been warning you for years that corporations and politicians have been selling our country cheap to foreign investors.

Now you're gonna call it socialism and blame liberals?

Are you sure you know what socialism means?

I was thinking that myself sealy especially since a republican is governor of the state and has been for a bit now
 

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