Uninsured rate keeps climbing under Republicans

[Darkwind]

Having initially dropped BIGLY under Obamacare uninsured rates have now been climbing back up ever since Trump won election and began messing with our healthcare:

The Uninsured Rate Is Going Up Again | HuffPost

U.S. Uninsured Rate Rises to 12.3% in Third Quarter

Or as Trumpsters would say:

Oh my Allah, you mean that if people are not forced to buy the product of well connected looters under penalty of law, the crooks who you serve lose business?

YES! I do mean that.

People who are healthy don't want to pay for insurance, UNTIL THEY ARE NOT HEALTHY.

The only way to be able to guarantee everyone access to coverage in free market based system is to mandate that they get covered healthy or not.

This is where you go wrong every single time. Government is not tasked with guaranteeing everyone anything. Good little dictators will always sacrifice liberty for their own selfish desires.

 

[rightwinger]

It is what they consider making America great

Great countries do not give a shit about their people's health

 

[AntonToo]

Having initially dropped BIGLY under Obamacare uninsured rates have now been climbing back up ever since Trump won election and began messing with our healthcare:

The Uninsured Rate Is Going Up Again | HuffPost

U.S. Uninsured Rate Rises to 12.3% in Third Quarter

Or as Trumpsters would say:

Oh my Allah, you mean that if people are not forced to buy the product of well connected looters under penalty of law, the crooks who you serve lose business?

YES! I do mean that.

People who are healthy don't want to pay for insurance, UNTIL THEY ARE NOT HEALTHY.

The only way to be able to guarantee everyone access to coverage in free market based system is to mandate that they get covered healthy or not.

This is where you go wrong every single time. Government is not tasked with guaranteeing everyone anything. Good little dictators will always sacrifice liberty for their own selfish desires.

You are crazy. Government is tasked WITH MANY THINGS it is to provide it's citizens.

I'm not an ideologue - if there is a way to setup a pure free market to handle a problem I'm all for it, but some things it's just not that good at as bottom line doesn't always line up with acceptable outcomes for us the people.

 

[dblack]

It doesn't sound like you understand what insurance is. People buy insurance to get compensation on potential future illness or injuries. People who are already sick don't need health insurance. The need health care.

Healthcare they can’t pay for most often!

Yep. And that's a problem. But it's not a problem that insurance can solve. Trying to retrofit the insurance industry as some kind of 'privatized' social safety net is delusional. It corrupts both the the market and the government.

 

[dblack]

It is what they consider making America great

Great countries do not give a shit about their people's health

Slave owners, on the other hand, have a vested interest in the health of their livestock.

 

[AntonToo]

It doesn't sound like you understand what insurance is. People buy insurance to get compensation on potential future illness or injuries. People who are already sick don't need health insurance. The need health care.

Healthcare they can’t pay for most often!

Yep. And that's a problem. But it's not a problem that insurance can solve. Trying to retrofit the insurance industry as some kind of 'privatized' social safety net is delusional. It corrupts both the the market and the government.

We are requiring insurance companies to cover people but are also mandating people to get insurance - it’s a fair arrangement and one that makes sense.

 

[dblack]

We are requiring insurance companies to cover people but are also mandating people to get insurance - it’s a fair arrangement and one that makes sense.

No, it's an insane 'arrangement'. Would you tackle other social problems this way? To cure hunger, should we mandate that grocery stores give away food? And then mandate that people shop at the grocery stores even though the prices will be much higher to cover the freebies to the poor? Of course we'd have to get tough on the scofflaws who keep their own gardens. But that will give the FDA something to do.

 

[PredFan]

Having initially dropped BIGLY under Obamacare uninsured rates have now been climbing back up ever since Trump won election and began messing with our healthcare:

The Uninsured Rate Is Going Up Again | HuffPost

U.S. Uninsured Rate Rises to 12.3% in Third Quarter

Or as Trumpsters would say:

How is it Trumps fault that people won't buy healthcare, dumbass?

 

[PredFan]

Having initially dropped BIGLY under Obamacare uninsured rates have now been climbing back up ever since Trump won election and began messing with our healthcare:

The Uninsured Rate Is Going Up Again | HuffPost

U.S. Uninsured Rate Rises to 12.3% in Third Quarter

Or as Trumpsters would say:

Huffpo, the news source that gave Crooked Hillary a 98.6% chance of winning?

This is a Gallup poll...so you are going to have to scramble for some other excuse.

So tell us, did Gallop have Trump winning? I think we all know the answer to that one. His point is valid.

 

[AntonToo]

We are requiring insurance companies to cover people but are also mandating people to get insurance - it’s a fair arrangement and one that makes sense.

No, it's an insane 'arrangement'. Would you tackle other social problems this way? To cure hunger, should we mandate that grocery stores give away food? And then mandate that people shop at the grocery stores even though the prices will be much higher to cover the freebies to the poor? Of course we'd have to get tough on the scofflaws who keep their own gardens. But that will give the FDA something to do.

Nonsense - food is a stable expense and won’t bankrupt you suddenly, that is not like healthcare at all.

Having initially dropped BIGLY under Obamacare uninsured rates have now been climbing back up ever since Trump won election and began messing with our healthcare:

The Uninsured Rate Is Going Up Again | HuffPost

U.S. Uninsured Rate Rises to 12.3% in Third Quarter

Or as Trumpsters would say:

Huffpo, the news source that gave Crooked Hillary a 98.6% chance of winning?

This is a Gallup poll...so you are going to have to scramble for some other excuse.

So tell us, did Gallop have Trump winning? I think we all know the answer to that one. His point is valid.

....national polls do no measure Electoral College outcome, only popular vote, which Clinton won exactly like national polling predicted.

 

[dblack]

We are requiring insurance companies to cover people but are also mandating people to get insurance - it’s a fair arrangement and one that makes sense.

No, it's an insane 'arrangement'. Would you tackle other social problems this way? To cure hunger, should we mandate that grocery stores give away food? And then mandate that people shop at the grocery stores even though the prices will be much higher to cover the freebies to the poor? Of course we'd have to get tough on the scofflaws who keep their own gardens. But that will give the FDA something to do.

Nonsense - food is a stable expense and won’t bankrupt you suddenly, that is not like healthcare at all.

I didn't say it was. But the solution is just as wonky and delusional. We're piping billions of dollars through the insurance industry unnecessarily. We can take care of our poor with insurance companies skimming profits along the way.

But that's the thing I've seen in these discussions. Despite the claimed goal of caring for the poor, that's not really what you're after.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Having initially dropped BIGLY under Obamacare uninsured rates have now been climbing back up ever since Trump won election and began messing with our healthcare:

The Uninsured Rate Is Going Up Again | HuffPost

U.S. Uninsured Rate Rises to 12.3% in Third Quarter

Or as Trumpsters would say:

Oh my Allah, you mean that if people are not forced to buy the product of well connected looters under penalty of law, the crooks who you serve lose business?

YES! I do mean that.

People who are healthy don't want to pay for insurance, UNTIL THEY ARE NOT HEALTHY.

The only way to be able to guarantee everyone access to coverage in free market based system is to mandate that they get covered healthy or not.

This is where you go wrong every single time. Government is not tasked with guaranteeing everyone anything. Good little dictators will always sacrifice liberty for their own selfish desires.

You are crazy. Government is tasked WITH MANY THINGS it is to provide it's citizens.

I'm not an ideologue - if there is a way to setup a pure free market to handle a problem I'm all for it, but some things it's just not that good at as bottom line doesn't always line up with acceptable outcomes for us the people.

You are a Communist. You promote a government which owns all assets, including people. We normals are advocates of a free people who instead control the government. And yes, you'll have to pay for your own damned healthcare, but then what you buy will be a whole lot better than the thin gruel served up as socialized care in the nations you idolize.

 

[Uncensored2008]

We are requiring insurance companies to cover people but are also mandating people to get insurance - it’s a fair arrangement and one that makes sense.

No, it's an insane 'arrangement'. Would you tackle other social problems this way? To cure hunger, should we mandate that grocery stores give away food? And then mandate that people shop at the grocery stores even though the prices will be much higher to cover the freebies to the poor? Of course we'd have to get tough on the scofflaws who keep their own gardens. But that will give the FDA something to do.

That is EXACTLY what Chavez did in Venezuela. Food was moved to "coops" which were subsidized for those who could not afford food.

Now everyone starves, such is the blessing of socialism.

 

[Uncensored2008]

We are requiring insurance companies to cover people but are also mandating people to get insurance - it’s a fair arrangement and one that makes sense.

No, it's an insane 'arrangement'. Would you tackle other social problems this way? To cure hunger, should we mandate that grocery stores give away food? And then mandate that people shop at the grocery stores even though the prices will be much higher to cover the freebies to the poor? Of course we'd have to get tough on the scofflaws who keep their own gardens. But that will give the FDA something to do.

Nonsense - food is a stable expense and won’t bankrupt you suddenly, that is not like healthcare at all.

Having initially dropped BIGLY under Obamacare uninsured rates have now been climbing back up ever since Trump won election and began messing with our healthcare:

The Uninsured Rate Is Going Up Again | HuffPost

U.S. Uninsured Rate Rises to 12.3% in Third Quarter

Or as Trumpsters would say:

Huffpo, the news source that gave Crooked Hillary a 98.6% chance of winning?

This is a Gallup poll...so you are going to have to scramble for some other excuse.

So tell us, did Gallop have Trump winning? I think we all know the answer to that one. His point is valid.

....national polls do no measure Electoral College outcome, only popular vote, which Clinton won exactly like national polling predicted.

You might want to explain that to Venezuela. They put in place the kind of system you promote for food, now the whole nation is starving.

Socialism in action.

{The goal of socialism is not to provide equality, quite the opposite. Socialism is practiced to make inequality permanent so that the oligarchy may remain in in power} (George Orwell as Emanuel Goldstein)

 

[Shrimpbox]

So basically the difference between no obamacare and the end of obamas term is three million or so people. Weren’t we told there were thirty to fifty million people without health insurance. And what you people never account for is the distress to what’s left of the middle class. $2000 a month now instead of $700. But they are mostly white so it is fine for them to suffer. Obamacare is a scam just like the last eight years. Let’s face it. Dems who will not lift a finger to alleviate the suffering of all Americans are willfully contributing to the suffering of the American people.

 

[PredFan]

We are requiring insurance companies to cover people but are also mandating people to get insurance - it’s a fair arrangement and one that makes sense.

No, it's an insane 'arrangement'. Would you tackle other social problems this way? To cure hunger, should we mandate that grocery stores give away food? And then mandate that people shop at the grocery stores even though the prices will be much higher to cover the freebies to the poor? Of course we'd have to get tough on the scofflaws who keep their own gardens. But that will give the FDA something to do.

Nonsense - food is a stable expense and won’t bankrupt you suddenly, that is not like healthcare at all.

Having initially dropped BIGLY under Obamacare uninsured rates have now been climbing back up ever since Trump won election and began messing with our healthcare:

The Uninsured Rate Is Going Up Again | HuffPost

U.S. Uninsured Rate Rises to 12.3% in Third Quarter

Or as Trumpsters would say:

Huffpo, the news source that gave Crooked Hillary a 98.6% chance of winning?

This is a Gallup poll...so you are going to have to scramble for some other excuse.

So tell us, did Gallop have Trump winning? I think we all know the answer to that one. His point is valid.

....national polls do no measure Electoral College outcome, only popular vote, which Clinton won exactly like national polling predicted.

Clinton won the popular vote due to a few major cities. Not a reflection of the Nation and therefor is completely useless.

 

[AntonToo]

We are requiring insurance companies to cover people but are also mandating people to get insurance - it’s a fair arrangement and one that makes sense.

No, it's an insane 'arrangement'. Would you tackle other social problems this way? To cure hunger, should we mandate that grocery stores give away food? And then mandate that people shop at the grocery stores even though the prices will be much higher to cover the freebies to the poor? Of course we'd have to get tough on the scofflaws who keep their own gardens. But that will give the FDA something to do.

Nonsense - food is a stable expense and won’t bankrupt you suddenly, that is not like healthcare at all.

Having initially dropped BIGLY under Obamacare uninsured rates have now been climbing back up ever since Trump won election and began messing with our healthcare:

The Uninsured Rate Is Going Up Again | HuffPost

U.S. Uninsured Rate Rises to 12.3% in Third Quarter

Or as Trumpsters would say:

Huffpo, the news source that gave Crooked Hillary a 98.6% chance of winning?

This is a Gallup poll...so you are going to have to scramble for some other excuse.

So tell us, did Gallop have Trump winning? I think we all know the answer to that one. His point is valid.

....national polls do no measure Electoral College outcome, only popular vote, which Clinton won exactly like national polling predicted.

Clinton won the popular vote due to a few major cities. Not a reflection of the Nation and therefor is completely useless.

...dummy, that's the same reason she won national polls. Those polls were correct, they just were not measuring Electoral College outcome.

 

[AntonToo]

We are requiring insurance companies to cover people but are also mandating people to get insurance - it’s a fair arrangement and one that makes sense.

No, it's an insane 'arrangement'. Would you tackle other social problems this way? To cure hunger, should we mandate that grocery stores give away food? And then mandate that people shop at the grocery stores even though the prices will be much higher to cover the freebies to the poor? Of course we'd have to get tough on the scofflaws who keep their own gardens. But that will give the FDA something to do.

Nonsense - food is a stable expense and won’t bankrupt you suddenly, that is not like healthcare at all.

Having initially dropped BIGLY under Obamacare uninsured rates have now been climbing back up ever since Trump won election and began messing with our healthcare:

The Uninsured Rate Is Going Up Again | HuffPost

U.S. Uninsured Rate Rises to 12.3% in Third Quarter

Or as Trumpsters would say:

Huffpo, the news source that gave Crooked Hillary a 98.6% chance of winning?

This is a Gallup poll...so you are going to have to scramble for some other excuse.

So tell us, did Gallop have Trump winning? I think we all know the answer to that one. His point is valid.

....national polls do no measure Electoral College outcome, only popular vote, which Clinton won exactly like national polling predicted.

You might want to explain that to Venezuela.

.....What the fuck?

 

[PredFan]

We are requiring insurance companies to cover people but are also mandating people to get insurance - it’s a fair arrangement and one that makes sense.

No, it's an insane 'arrangement'. Would you tackle other social problems this way? To cure hunger, should we mandate that grocery stores give away food? And then mandate that people shop at the grocery stores even though the prices will be much higher to cover the freebies to the poor? Of course we'd have to get tough on the scofflaws who keep their own gardens. But that will give the FDA something to do.

Nonsense - food is a stable expense and won’t bankrupt you suddenly, that is not like healthcare at all.

Huffpo, the news source that gave Crooked Hillary a 98.6% chance of winning?

This is a Gallup poll...so you are going to have to scramble for some other excuse.

So tell us, did Gallop have Trump winning? I think we all know the answer to that one. His point is valid.

....national polls do no measure Electoral College outcome, only popular vote, which Clinton won exactly like national polling predicted.

Clinton won the popular vote due to a few major cities. Not a reflection of the Nation and therefor is completely useless.

...dummy, that's the same reason she won national polls. Those polls were correct, they just were not measuring Electoral College outcome.

I just explained it to you. Did you not read it or can you not read? If you won't listen to me fine, you can keep living in your made up world and I can continue to watch reality bitch slap you. I guarantee you that I will have more fun.

 

[AntonToo]

We are requiring insurance companies to cover people but are also mandating people to get insurance - it’s a fair arrangement and one that makes sense.

No, it's an insane 'arrangement'. Would you tackle other social problems this way? To cure hunger, should we mandate that grocery stores give away food? And then mandate that people shop at the grocery stores even though the prices will be much higher to cover the freebies to the poor? Of course we'd have to get tough on the scofflaws who keep their own gardens. But that will give the FDA something to do.

Nonsense - food is a stable expense and won’t bankrupt you suddenly, that is not like healthcare at all.

This is a Gallup poll...so you are going to have to scramble for some other excuse.

So tell us, did Gallop have Trump winning? I think we all know the answer to that one. His point is valid.

....national polls do no measure Electoral College outcome, only popular vote, which Clinton won exactly like national polling predicted.

Clinton won the popular vote due to a few major cities. Not a reflection of the Nation and therefor is completely useless.

...dummy, that's the same reason she won national polls. Those polls were correct, they just were not measuring Electoral College outcome.

I just explained it to you. Did you not read it or can you not read? If you won't listen to me fine, you can keep living in your made up world and I can continue to watch reality bitch slap you. I guarantee you that I will have more fun.

New Yorkers are not a reflection of America - gotcha. Get lost.