Uninsured rate keeps climbing under Republicans

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    He nailed it.

    HSA's !!! They are the great.

    Medical Privacy.....great point.
     
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    Sure, so what? Are you suggesting that the American public is so stupid as to believe campaign promises? Oh, wait, yea, far too many are. Still so what? Are you arguing that Trump's election is all it took? If so, why not just say that?
     
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    Your rhetoric is delusional and totally detached from the reality.

    You aren't talking about some "insurance" abstract dying, you are talking about a collapse that will cause FINANCIAL RUIN TO PEOPLE and big damage to State and Federal budgets.

    Even if you don't like ACA and thought that our system was great before ( :rolleyes: ) there is a RESPONSIBLE way to phase it out. Simply getting rid of the mandate while keeping the rest of it is like throwing a lit lighter into a basement full of straw and hoping the house will get cozier.
     
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    His statement about that kind of insurance is worth noting and certainly is not delusional.

    "Sooner" can be a relative term and he makes no statements about a collapse.

    I would agree that there is a good (vs a not-so-good) way to do this.

    The system we have now is still pretty much the same system.....isn't it ? The only people affected are those who didn't have insurance and can now get it subsidized or those who are now fined for not having it.

    A transition for most of us is pretty much business as usual....

    What I don't get is the claim that this is going to hurt state and federal budgets.

    Money to back that insurance comes from somewhere. What is going to be paid for by that states and federal budget that wasn't being paid for before ? I honestly would like to hear what the logic is here.

    I know what the answers could be (people getting care and avoiding more expensive treatments later), but I want to know if there is some "math" that says things are not as expensive under Obamacare as they will be without Obamacare.
     
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    If it was same this 8 year long discussion would be moot. It's not same.

    ACA guarantees affordability - meaning government has to cover the costs beyond a certain % of your income. When healthy people drop out, premiums and out-of-pocket costs shoot up and government has to pick up a lot of that difference.


    Here is a sample avg insurance premium cost increase vs cost increase to consumer.

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    And no one seems to want to talk about it. I can see why the insurance industry shills don't want people to wake up, but it's crucial that we do.
     
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    O.K. so if the government picks up the costs, nobody experiences ruin.....correct ?
     
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    You are falsely thinking of it in exclusive terms, just because government pays more doesn't mean no one else is.

    Subsidies are income based, so they would cover increased costs to low income people, but those that make more and are in the market have to pay more.
     
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    The simplest, most effective thing the federal government could do to alleviate the problems plaguing the healthcare market would be to eliminate the tax exemption on employer provided health insurance.
     
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    I was referencing those who were getting subsidies.

    I should have clarrified that.
     

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