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[georgephillip]

Ok, first let's get straight what you are saying. I have a few questions:

1. Do you deny that two jet planes hit the towers?
2. Was #7 in use before 9/11 or was it empty.
3. Do you believe that the two towers (not just #7) were also brought down by controlled demolition?

1. No
2. Yes, In use
3. Yes controlled demolition.

Controlled Demolition was impossible. There is no way that a demolition team could go through those towers and place enough explosives in the right places without anyone seeing them do it, even if they did it at night, bribing or otherwise coercing the building security into keeping quiet. The wires, the modifications in the walls and building structure, the debris left over and even the time it took to accomplish such a task would be impossible to do without being seen. Not to mention keeping the demolition team quiet.

Since there are no other alternatives, one must logically accept the official version no matter how incomplete or inconsistent it is.

Controlled demolition was improbable; violating the Laws of Physics was impossible.
Hundreds of conspirators would have been required to wire all three towers.
Less than a dozen would have been required to know the full plan.
Think Manhattan Project.
Those towers were white elephants with entire floors vacant, meaning it is possible teams of professionals with their own (government?) security could have placed the explosives and the electronics necessary to fire them. One possible reason debris from such a project hasn't been found is the fact the crime scene was cleaned before it could be examined. This OP is calling for an independent investigation into WTC7, which is something anyone concerned with US democracy should endorse.

 

[wihosa]

Well at least this is in the right section.

It's only in this section because the cowardly moderators won't allow a free and open discussion of the facts about 911

 

[wihosa]

Controlled Demolition was impossible. There is no way that a demolition team could go through those towers and place enough explosives in the right places without anyone seeing them do it, even if they did it at night, bribing or otherwise coercing the building security into keeping quiet. The wires, the modifications in the walls and building structure, the debris left over and even the time it took to accomplish such a task would be impossible to do without being seen. Not to mention keeping the demolition team quiet.

Since there are no other alternatives, one must logically accept the official version no matter how incomplete or inconsistent it is.

So, you think you can wash away logic and reason by simply stating "There is absolutely nothing impossible about placing explosives in a building without anyone knowing."? Sorry man, it's impossible. Once we established that a controlled demolition is impossible, we must accept the NIST's version no matter how inconsistent or contradictory.

Sorry man it's not impossible, improbable I will grant you but not impossible. What is impossible is that a modern steel framed high rise building can collapse due to "normal office fires". If you think it is possible to achieve free fall acceleration without controlled demolition why don't you explain it? By the way free fall acceleration means that the building collapsed at the same rate that a rock dropped from the top would have fallen. The NIST admitted to free fall but they couldn't/didn't explain it. The 911 Commission Report doesn't even mention B7 which is a lie of omission.

I understand your reluctance to accept the truth, it changes your world view, but facts are facts.

I do not have to prove a negative. YOU are making the claim that there was some conspiracy behind this other than the terrorist conspiracy that the official version claims. It is on YOU to prove that. You can't prove your conspiracy theory by poking holes in the official version. You have to prove yours.

No you are the Conspiracy Theorist. You are insisting that the Official Conspiracy Theory is true even though B7 proves it wrong. The laws of physics were not suspended on 911, the impossible did not happen. Since the NIST can't /didn't explain it and the 911 Commission Report didn't even mention it is obvious that it was controlled demolition, that the OCT is a lie.

Have you even found the courage to watch it collapse? Can you honestly say it looks like a building that "accidentally" collapsed, that it doesn't look exactly like the controlled demolition of a building like we have all seen before?

I'm sticking to the facts, the story of B7 is an obvious lie, who, how and why are all valid questions. But these are questions to be answered by a prosecutor with subpoena power, trained to follow evidence and test it in a court of law to determine fact.

If you are so sure that the OCT is true why are you afraid of an impartial investigation? If I'm so wrong why not a trial that proves me (and the thousands of architects, engineers, scientists, firefighters,pilots and more) wrong?

America has been living a lie these past thirteen years, we will only redeem ourselves by facing the truth. If seeking the truth makes me a "Truther" so be it, better than defending a lie, which of course makes one a Lier.

 

[wihosa]

YouGov did a poll earlier this year, 47% of Americans had not heard of Building Seven.
The collapse of B7 was never shown on TV after 911. If that isn't suspicious I don't know what is. A 47 story modern steel framed high rise building collapses into its own footprint in under 7 seconds and it's not worthy of a news report? This would have been the tallest building in over thirty states!

If you haven't seen it, youtube it, see for yourself, there is like five different views of it collapsing. If you can convince yourself that it doesn't look like controlled demolition I guess we have nothing to talk about.

While you're at it, youtube "BBC reports collapse of Building Seven". You'll be amazed at how the reporter became clairvoyant that day and reported the collapse 20 minutes before it happened. You can see B7 still standing behind her as she reports that B7 ( also called the Solomon Building) HAS collapsed. I've heard people try to explain it away by saying "well someone probably new it was going to collapse and the reporter thought they said it had collapsed". Well since no high rise had ever collapsed anywhere in the world before that day, to predict it happening would be like someone saying that the sun was going to rise in the west. It never has happened and it never will.

Only controlled demolition explains B7 and since it takes weeks to prepare a controlled demolition we can be sure that it was planned well in advance of 911 and was no coincident that it happened on 911.

Here's a link to the poll you mentioned.
If it's accurate, there are tens of millions of US voters who are currently ignorant of the most relevant political event of their entire lives:

"On the 12th anniversary of 9/11, a new national survey by the polling firm YouGov reveals that one in two Americans have doubts about the government’s account of 9/11, and after viewing video footage of World Trade Center Building 7’s collapse, 46% suspect that it was caused by a controlled demolition.

"Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper, collapsed into its own footprint late in the afternoon on 9/11..."

"38% of Americans have some doubts about the official account of 9/11, 10% do not believe it at all, and 12% are unsure about it;

"46%, nearly one in two, are not aware that a third tower collapsed on 9/11. Of those who are aware of Building 7’s collapse, only 19% know the building’s name;
After seeing video footage of Building 7′s collapse:

"46% are sure or suspect it was caused by controlled demolition, compared to 28% who are sure or suspect fires caused it, and 27% who don’t know;

"By a margin of nearly two to one, 41% support a new investigation of Building 7′s collapse, compared to 21% who oppose it."

New Poll Finds Most Americans Open to Alternative 9/11 Theories ? ReThink911.org | Sign the Petition for a new 9/11 investigation

Meh, people are stupid. I present the election and re-election of Barack Hussein Obama as Exhibit A.

So they are all stupid? You're being evasive.p

 

[wihosa]

The controlled demolition without anyone knowing is what is impossible. You have given no facts. You seem to think that by simply stating something makes it true. You offer no "theory of conspiracy" because like so many other truthers, you base your entire argument on the holes and inconsistancies of the official version. You don't understand that poking holes in the official version doesn't make your version correct. You are like the people who argue for creationism by attacking evolution. It doesn't work.

You want some credibility? Offer a theory of your own and support it with evidence. Who orchestrated the attack, how did they carry it out, how did they keep all of the people silent, how did they get Osama Bin Laden to go along with it, how did they know at what point the planes were going to hit the buildings, and well, start with those details. Otherwise you aren't going to get anywhere bringing up the acknowledged problems with the Official Version.

There are thousands of researchers who have done this, as I said I focus on B7 because it is the smoking gun. There is just no way that a building can collapse at free fall speed without controlled demolition. There are many ways to sneak people into and out of buildings at night when no one is around. Did you know that B7 underwent extensive construction and remodeling in the months prior to 911?
Have you even watched B7 fall? It's on youtube. There are many different views of its collapse. And then there is the BBC reporter reporting it's collapse 20 minutes before it did! You can see the building behind her as she reports it HAS collapsed.

Instead of a knee jerk refusal to believe, do a little research, there are thousands of engineers and architects who have staked their reputations as to the impossibility of the B7 story.

Again, no one has offered anything credible as an alternative to the official version. The very very few who actually did have been shown to be at least mistaken, and often outright lying. You want credibility? Give us an alternative. If you can't do that then you are rehashing what so many others have already done. Everyone agrees that there are things in the official version that don't make sense. As I have explained to you, there is a logical and factual reason for that. If you can't do this, there really is no point in arguing much more.

There is only one credible answer for B7 and that is controlled demolition. It explains exactly all the known facts concerning the collapse. The sudden, symmetrical, total and complete collapse straight down through the path of greatest resistance at free fall acceleration. You still have not even suggested an alternative, just like the NIST. And it appears that just like the 911 Commission Report you don't even want to discuss it.

 

[wihosa]

Although I haven't seen the exact figure lately, there's still a significant number of Americans who believe only two New York towers collapsed on 911. Many of them would rightly wonder how two planes collapsed three steel-framer skyscrapers.

YouGov did a poll earlier this year, 47% of Americans had not heard of Building Seven.
The collapse of B7 was never shown on TV after 911. If that isn't suspicious I don't know what is. A 47 story modern steel framed high rise building collapses into its own footprint in under 7 seconds and it's not worthy of a news report? This would have been the tallest building in over thirty states!

If you haven't seen it, youtube it, see for yourself, there is like five different views of it collapsing. If you can convince yourself that it doesn't look like controlled demolition I guess we have nothing to talk about.

While you're at it, youtube "BBC reports collapse of Building Seven". You'll be amazed at how the reporter became clairvoyant that day and reported the collapse 20 minutes before it happened. You can see B7 still standing behind her as she reports that B7 ( also called the Solomon Building) HAS collapsed. I've heard people try to explain it away by saying "well someone probably new it was going to collapse and the reporter thought they said it had collapsed". Well since no high rise had ever collapsed anywhere in the world before that day, to predict it happening would be like someone saying that the sun was going to rise in the west. It never has happened and it never will.

Only controlled demolition explains B7 and since it takes weeks to prepare a controlled demolition we can be sure that it was planned well in advance of 911 and was no coincident that it happened on 911.

Here's a link to the poll you mentioned.
If it's accurate, there are tens of millions of US voters who are currently ignorant of the most relevant political event of their entire lives:

"On the 12th anniversary of 9/11, a new national survey by the polling firm YouGov reveals that one in two Americans have doubts about the government’s account of 9/11, and after viewing video footage of World Trade Center Building 7’s collapse, 46% suspect that it was caused by a controlled demolition.

"Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper, collapsed into its own footprint late in the afternoon on 9/11..."

"38% of Americans have some doubts about the official account of 9/11, 10% do not believe it at all, and 12% are unsure about it;

"46%, nearly one in two, are not aware that a third tower collapsed on 9/11. Of those who are aware of Building 7’s collapse, only 19% know the building’s name;
After seeing video footage of Building 7′s collapse:

"46% are sure or suspect it was caused by controlled demolition, compared to 28% who are sure or suspect fires caused it, and 27% who don’t know;

"By a margin of nearly two to one, 41% support a new investigation of Building 7′s collapse, compared to 21% who oppose it."

New Poll Finds Most Americans Open to Alternative 9/11 Theories ? ReThink911.org | Sign the Petition for a new 9/11 investigation

Thanks for finding this, it shows that we as Americans when shown the evidence can overcome the shock and horror of 911 and recognize the impossibility of the Official Conspiracy Theory.
There are literally hundreds of other anomalies to the OCT but they were not recorded in video for all to see, B7 is the "smoking gun" proof that the OCT is a lie. If you can't answer this question then none of the rest stands up.

Just the fact that half of Americans have never heard of B7 is so suspicious as to be absolutely damning. How could it never have been shown on TV when the Twin Towers were shown over and over and over again, as if they were trying to terrorist us....

 

[wihosa]

One of the most peculiar aspects to the OCT is that it is embraced most tightly by the very people who on every other issue confronting America are convinced that we can't trust the government, that they are spying on us, that they are plotting against us, that they are Jack Booted Thugs who want to control every aspect of our lives.

But on the issue of 911 , they are convinced that it is all true, that we knew in two days the entire plot, which was cooked up in a cave in Afghanistan, who the nineteen hijackers were, that somehow there was no response from the Air National Guard, that the most heavily defended building in the world (the Pentagon) didn't defend itself, that somehow in the thousands of tons of dust and through the most enormous fire balls a paper passport from one of the supposed terrorists was found in near mint condition, but not their bodies!

Who wants to bet that if the President that day had been President Obama those who now defend the OCT would have been leading the charge on a real investigation. Oh what am I saying, there would have been impeachment hearing within three months. Only the realization that their "team" was probably involved keeps them from opening their eyes.

Just for the record, I voted for President Obama but it is obvious he is willfully or perhaps unwittingly perpetuating the coverup, but I want all those involved in the greatest crime in our history to be prosecuted to the fullest, even if my own ox is gored, for I am a patriot. Let the chips fall where they may, only then can Americans shed the lie of 911 and regain our greatness as the defenders of freedom and justice.

 

[wihosa]

One of the most peculiar aspects to the OCT is that it is embraced most tightly by the very people who on every other issue confronting America are convinced that we can't trust the government, that they are spying on us, that they are plotting against us, that they are Jack Booted Thugs who want to control every aspect of our lives.

But on the issue of 911 , they are convinced that it is all true, that we knew in two days the entire plot, which was cooked up in a cave in Afghanistan, who the nineteen hijackers were, that somehow there was no response from the Air National Guard, that the most heavily defended building in the world (the Pentagon) didn't defend itself, that somehow in the thousands of tons of dust and through the most enormous fire balls a paper passport from one of the supposed terrorists was found in near mint condition, but not their bodies!

Who wants to bet that if the President that day had been President Obama those who now defend the OCT would have been leading the charge on a real investigation. Oh what am I saying, there would have been impeachment hearing within three months. Only the realization that their "team" was probably involved keeps them from opening their eyes.

Just for the record, I voted for President Obama but it is obvious he is willfully or perhaps unwittingly perpetuating the coverup, but I want all those involved in the greatest crime in our history to be prosecuted to the fullest, even if my own ox is gored, for I am a patriot. Let the chips fall where they may, only then can Americans shed the lie of 911 and regain our greatness as the defenders of freedom and justice.

 

[wihosa]

Don't know how I posted it twice. .???

 

[Politico]

Well at least this is in the right section.

It's only in this section because the cowardly moderators won't allow a free and open discussion of the facts about 911

No it is in this section because it is the same tired subject that has been brought up over and over for ten years by folks like yourself who have never actually been there like I was. You have done no actual investigation of your own. You just copy and paste other people's nonsense.

If you have a theory prove it. Go to New York. Speak to the people who were there. When you do your own documented scientific tests and research we will be glad to discuss the subject with you.

 

[PredFan]

1. No
2. Yes, In use
3. Yes controlled demolition.

Controlled Demolition was impossible. There is no way that a demolition team could go through those towers and place enough explosives in the right places without anyone seeing them do it, even if they did it at night, bribing or otherwise coercing the building security into keeping quiet. The wires, the modifications in the walls and building structure, the debris left over and even the time it took to accomplish such a task would be impossible to do without being seen. Not to mention keeping the demolition team quiet.

Since there are no other alternatives, one must logically accept the official version no matter how incomplete or inconsistent it is.

Controlled demolition was improbable; violating the Laws of Physics was impossible.
Hundreds of conspirators would have been required to wire all three towers.
Less than a dozen would have been required to know the full plan.
Think Manhattan Project.
Those towers were white elephants with entire floors vacant, meaning it is possible teams of professionals with their own (government?) security could have placed the explosives and the electronics necessary to fire them. One possible reason debris from such a project hasn't been found is the fact the crime scene was cleaned before it could be examined. This OP is calling for an independent investigation into WTC7, which is something anyone concerned with US democracy should endorse.

You think that hundreds of conspirators would just keep quiet for the less than dozen who know the whole story? You can keep them quiet when they set it up but what of after, when they find out what the whole story was? Not a chance.
Technically, you are right. Wiring all three towers to go isn't "impossible" but doing it and doing it without being detected is so highly improbably that it is for all intents and purposes impossible. The buildings collapsed from the point of impact downward. How did the demolition team know exactly where the planes would hit?

No, this conspiracy theory is even more easily debunked than the official version.

 

[PredFan]

Sorry man it's not impossible, improbable I will grant you but not impossible. What is impossible is that a modern steel framed high rise building can collapse due to "normal office fires". If you think it is possible to achieve free fall acceleration without controlled demolition why don't you explain it? By the way free fall acceleration means that the building collapsed at the same rate that a rock dropped from the top would have fallen. The NIST admitted to free fall but they couldn't/didn't explain it. The 911 Commission Report doesn't even mention B7 which is a lie of omission.

I understand your reluctance to accept the truth, it changes your world view, but facts are facts.

I do not have to prove a negative. YOU are making the claim that there was some conspiracy behind this other than the terrorist conspiracy that the official version claims. It is on YOU to prove that. You can't prove your conspiracy theory by poking holes in the official version. You have to prove yours.

No you are the Conspiracy Theorist. You are insisting that the Official Conspiracy Theory is true even though B7 proves it wrong.

B7 doesn't disprove anything. That only exists in your truther mind.

The laws of physics were not suspended on 911, the impossible did not happen. Since the NIST can't /didn't explain it and the 911 Commission Report didn't even mention it is obvious that it was controlled demolition, that the OCT is a lie.

I agree, they were not suspended. The impossible did not happen. And the OCT is not a lie, it is a theory based on the facts as we know them to be.

Have you even found the courage to watch it collapse? Can you honestly say it looks like a building that "accidentally" collapsed, that it doesn't look exactly like the controlled demolition of a building like we have all seen before?

I have watched it collapse many many times. It looks like a building collapsing and no, it looks nothing like the many controlled demolitions that I've seen before. Those have multiple mini explosions that occur in a controlled pattern. The towers showed none of that.

I'm sticking to the facts, the story of B7 is an obvious lie, who, how and why are all valid questions. But these are questions to be answered by a prosecutor with subpoena power, trained to follow evidence and test it in a court of law to determine fact.

You have no facts at all.

If you are so sure that the OCT is true why are you afraid of an impartial investigation? If I'm so wrong why not a trial that proves me (and the thousands of architects, engineers, scientists, firefighters,pilots and more) wrong?

Look, here's your problem. You either don't bother to read posts you don't write, or you skim over them formulating your response instead of paying attention to what you are reading, or you have reading comprehension problems. I never ever stated that the OCT is true. I clearly said that there are problems with it. "Holes" and "inconsistancies" I believe I said. this is because the investigators were examining the evidence after the fact. It was the best they could do with what they had as far as tools and evidence. no one has been able to come up with a different explanation.

I'm not afraid of an impartial investigation, I just don't believe it's necessary since no new evidence has come to light. It would be a waste of money because the investigators would come to the same conclusions.

America has been living a lie these past thirteen years, we will only redeem ourselves by facing the truth. If seeking the truth makes me a "Truther" so be it, better than defending a lie, which of course makes one a Lier.

Whatever man. All of this nonsense has been debunked already in at least one thread here. You bring nothing new to the table. Now, since you refuse to propose and support a theory different than the one we all know to be as close to the truth as possible, then there really isn't any point in discussing this any more. you truthers cannot and will not see reason. You think that poking holes in the official version proves something. It ONLY proves what the investigators will already admit to: that they don't have all of the answers.

You however, have no answers at all. Good luck with your conspiracy theory.

 

[PredFan]

Well at least this is in the right section.

It's only in this section because the cowardly moderators won't allow a free and open discussion of the facts about 911

No it is in this section because it is the same tired subject that has been brought up over and over for ten years by folks like yourself who have never actually been there like I was. You have done no actual investigation of your own. You just copy and paste other people's nonsense.

If you have a theory prove it. Go to New York. Speak to the people who were there. When you do your own documented scientific tests and research we will be glad to discuss the subject with you.

This^^^

 

[georgephillip]

YouGov did a poll earlier this year, 47% of Americans had not heard of Building Seven.
The collapse of B7 was never shown on TV after 911. If that isn't suspicious I don't know what is. A 47 story modern steel framed high rise building collapses into its own footprint in under 7 seconds and it's not worthy of a news report? This would have been the tallest building in over thirty states!

If you haven't seen it, youtube it, see for yourself, there is like five different views of it collapsing. If you can convince yourself that it doesn't look like controlled demolition I guess we have nothing to talk about.

While you're at it, youtube "BBC reports collapse of Building Seven". You'll be amazed at how the reporter became clairvoyant that day and reported the collapse 20 minutes before it happened. You can see B7 still standing behind her as she reports that B7 ( also called the Solomon Building) HAS collapsed. I've heard people try to explain it away by saying "well someone probably new it was going to collapse and the reporter thought they said it had collapsed". Well since no high rise had ever collapsed anywhere in the world before that day, to predict it happening would be like someone saying that the sun was going to rise in the west. It never has happened and it never will.

Only controlled demolition explains B7 and since it takes weeks to prepare a controlled demolition we can be sure that it was planned well in advance of 911 and was no coincident that it happened on 911.

Here's a link to the poll you mentioned.
If it's accurate, there are tens of millions of US voters who are currently ignorant of the most relevant political event of their entire lives:

"On the 12th anniversary of 9/11, a new national survey by the polling firm YouGov reveals that one in two Americans have doubts about the government’s account of 9/11, and after viewing video footage of World Trade Center Building 7’s collapse, 46% suspect that it was caused by a controlled demolition.

"Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper, collapsed into its own footprint late in the afternoon on 9/11..."

"38% of Americans have some doubts about the official account of 9/11, 10% do not believe it at all, and 12% are unsure about it;

"46%, nearly one in two, are not aware that a third tower collapsed on 9/11. Of those who are aware of Building 7’s collapse, only 19% know the building’s name;
After seeing video footage of Building 7′s collapse:

"46% are sure or suspect it was caused by controlled demolition, compared to 28% who are sure or suspect fires caused it, and 27% who don’t know;

"By a margin of nearly two to one, 41% support a new investigation of Building 7′s collapse, compared to 21% who oppose it."

New Poll Finds Most Americans Open to Alternative 9/11 Theories ? ReThink911.org | Sign the Petition for a new 9/11 investigation

Thanks for finding this, it shows that we as Americans when shown the evidence can overcome the shock and horror of 911 and recognize the impossibility of the Official Conspiracy Theory.
There are literally hundreds of other anomalies to the OCT but they were not recorded in video for all to see, B7 is the "smoking gun" proof that the OCT is a lie. If you can't answer this question then none of the rest stands up.

Just the fact that half of Americans have never heard of B7 is so suspicious as to be absolutely damning. How could it never have been shown on TV when the Twin Towers were shown over and over and over again, as if they were trying to terrorist us....

The repeated showing of the Towers coming down had the effect of scaring us all into unthinking acceptance of the Long War with all that means for our human and civil rights. WTC7 is where their lies begin to unravel, IMHO. Should a legitimate investigation take place with all witnesses testifying under oath, some of the rats will start SQUEALING before others (imagine Dick Cheney live on CSPAN) For all of recorded history, such investigations have been postponed until all the principals have died; 911 is where that needs to change if America ever hopes to live up to its potential.

 

[georgephillip]

Controlled Demolition was impossible. There is no way that a demolition team could go through those towers and place enough explosives in the right places without anyone seeing them do it, even if they did it at night, bribing or otherwise coercing the building security into keeping quiet. The wires, the modifications in the walls and building structure, the debris left over and even the time it took to accomplish such a task would be impossible to do without being seen. Not to mention keeping the demolition team quiet.

Since there are no other alternatives, one must logically accept the official version no matter how incomplete or inconsistent it is.

Controlled demolition was improbable; violating the Laws of Physics was impossible.
Hundreds of conspirators would have been required to wire all three towers.
Less than a dozen would have been required to know the full plan.
Think Manhattan Project.
Those towers were white elephants with entire floors vacant, meaning it is possible teams of professionals with their own (government?) security could have placed the explosives and the electronics necessary to fire them. One possible reason debris from such a project hasn't been found is the fact the crime scene was cleaned before it could be examined. This OP is calling for an independent investigation into WTC7, which is something anyone concerned with US democracy should endorse.

You think that hundreds of conspirators would just keep quiet for the less than dozen who know the whole story? You can keep them quiet when they set it up but what of after, when they find out what the whole story was? Not a chance.
Technically, you are right. Wiring all three towers to go isn't "impossible" but doing it and doing it without being detected is so highly improbably that it is for all intents and purposes impossible. The buildings collapsed from the point of impact downward. How did the demolition team know exactly where the planes would hit?

No, this conspiracy theory is even more easily debunked than the official version.

I think it's more likely a couple hundred (foreign) hired killers would keep quiet about their role in wiring the towers than your belief the laws of nature were suspended on 911. Why don't we give the 46% of US citizens who haven't seen the collapse of WTC7 since the day of the attacks a chance to watch the 2.25 seconds of free fall acceleration and then call for an independent investigation into those terror attacks before Dick and Dubya die of old age?

 

[wihosa]

I do not have to prove a negative. YOU are making the claim that there was some conspiracy behind this other than the terrorist conspiracy that the official version claims. It is on YOU to prove that. You can't prove your conspiracy theory by poking holes in the official version. You have to prove yours.

No you are the Conspiracy Theorist. You are insisting that the Official Conspiracy Theory is true even though B7 proves it wrong.

B7 doesn't disprove anything. That only exists in your truther mind.



I agree, they were not suspended. The impossible did not happen. And the OCT is not a lie, it is a theory based on the facts as we know them to be.



I have watched it collapse many many times. It looks like a building collapsing and no, it looks nothing like the many controlled demolitions that I've seen before. Those have multiple mini explosions that occur in a controlled pattern. The towers showed none of that.



You have no facts at all.

If you are so sure that the OCT is true why are you afraid of an impartial investigation? If I'm so wrong why not a trial that proves me (and the thousands of architects, engineers, scientists, firefighters,pilots and more) wrong?

Look, here's your problem. You either don't bother to read posts you don't write, or you skim over them formulating your response instead of paying attention to what you are reading, or you have reading comprehension problems. I never ever stated that the OCT is true. I clearly said that there are problems with it. "Holes" and "inconsistancies" I believe I said. this is because the investigators were examining the evidence after the fact. It was the best they could do with what they had as far as tools and evidence. no one has been able to come up with a different explanation.

I'm not afraid of an impartial investigation, I just don't believe it's necessary since no new evidence has come to light. It would be a waste of money because the investigators would come to the same conclusions.

America has been living a lie these past thirteen years, we will only redeem ourselves by facing the truth. If seeking the truth makes me a "Truther" so be it, better than defending a lie, which of course makes one a Lier.

Whatever man. All of this nonsense has been debunked already in at least one thread here. You bring nothing new to the table. Now, since you refuse to propose and support a theory different than the one we all know to be as close to the truth as possible, then there really isn't any point in discussing this any more. you truthers cannot and will not see reason. You think that poking holes in the official version proves something. It ONLY proves what the investigators will already admit to: that they don't have all of the answers.

You however, have no answers at all. Good luck with your conspiracy theory.

Your are the one with a theory about a conspiracy, you know the one about nineteen hijackers? It has never been tested in a court of law to determine fact.

But here are indisputable facts, B7 was not hit by a plane, no modern steel framed high rise building has ever collapsed from fire anywhere in the world, B7 did collapse suddenly, straight down, symmetrically into its own footprint in under seven seconds at free fall acceleration. Now since you're all about reason and logic, answer how it fell if it wasn't controlled demo. You can't because that is the ONLY EXPLANATION!
Hundreds of structural steel connections can't possibly fail at precisely the same moment by accident. That is impossible and you know it. At this point you're just lying to yourself.

 

[wihosa]

Controlled demolition was improbable; violating the Laws of Physics was impossible.
Hundreds of conspirators would have been required to wire all three towers.
Less than a dozen would have been required to know the full plan.
Think Manhattan Project.
Those towers were white elephants with entire floors vacant, meaning it is possible teams of professionals with their own (government?) security could have placed the explosives and the electronics necessary to fire them. One possible reason debris from such a project hasn't been found is the fact the crime scene was cleaned before it could be examined. This OP is calling for an independent investigation into WTC7, which is something anyone concerned with US democracy should endorse.

You think that hundreds of conspirators would just keep quiet for the less than dozen who know the whole story? You can keep them quiet when they set it up but what of after, when they find out what the whole story was? Not a chance.
Technically, you are right. Wiring all three towers to go isn't "impossible" but doing it and doing it without being detected is so highly improbably that it is for all intents and purposes impossible. The buildings collapsed from the point of impact downward. How did the demolition team know exactly where the planes would hit?

No, this conspiracy theory is even more easily debunked than the official version.

I think it's more likely a couple hundred (foreign) hired killers would keep quiet about their role in wiring the towers than your belief the laws of nature were suspended on 911. Why don't we give the 46% of US citizens who haven't seen the collapse of WTC7 since the day of the attacks a chance to watch the 2.25 seconds of free fall acceleration and then call for an independent investigation into those terror attacks before Dick and Dubya die of old age?

More and more are finding out. Now that more know than don't and now that the shock of 911 is wearing off people are not afraid to talk. Many of the people I've show the video of B7 to have told me that they always suspected that the Twin Towers were demoed but just accepted the OCT because they didn't have any evidence to the contrary which was indisputable...until they saw B7.

 

[wihosa]

Here's a link to the poll you mentioned.
If it's accurate, there are tens of millions of US voters who are currently ignorant of the most relevant political event of their entire lives:

"On the 12th anniversary of 9/11, a new national survey by the polling firm YouGov reveals that one in two Americans have doubts about the government’s account of 9/11, and after viewing video footage of World Trade Center Building 7’s collapse, 46% suspect that it was caused by a controlled demolition.

"Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper, collapsed into its own footprint late in the afternoon on 9/11..."

"38% of Americans have some doubts about the official account of 9/11, 10% do not believe it at all, and 12% are unsure about it;

"46%, nearly one in two, are not aware that a third tower collapsed on 9/11. Of those who are aware of Building 7’s collapse, only 19% know the building’s name;
After seeing video footage of Building 7′s collapse:

"46% are sure or suspect it was caused by controlled demolition, compared to 28% who are sure or suspect fires caused it, and 27% who don’t know;

"By a margin of nearly two to one, 41% support a new investigation of Building 7′s collapse, compared to 21% who oppose it."

New Poll Finds Most Americans Open to Alternative 9/11 Theories ? ReThink911.org | Sign the Petition for a new 9/11 investigation

Thanks for finding this, it shows that we as Americans when shown the evidence can overcome the shock and horror of 911 and recognize the impossibility of the Official Conspiracy Theory.
There are literally hundreds of other anomalies to the OCT but they were not recorded in video for all to see, B7 is the "smoking gun" proof that the OCT is a lie. If you can't answer this question then none of the rest stands up.

Just the fact that half of Americans have never heard of B7 is so suspicious as to be absolutely damning. How could it never have been shown on TV when the Twin Towers were shown over and over and over again, as if they were trying to terrorist us....

The repeated showing of the Towers coming down had the effect of scaring us all into unthinking acceptance of the Long War with all that means for our human and civil rights. WTC7 is where their lies begin to unravel, IMHO. Should a legitimate investigation take place with all witnesses testifying under oath, some of the rats will start SQUEALING before others (imagine Dick Cheney live on CSPAN) For all of recorded history, such investigations have been postponed until all the principals have died; 911 is where that needs to change if America ever hopes to live up to its potential.

So true. That may be the only good thing about Cheney getting a new heart, he might live long enough to be brought to trial and convicted of the most heinous crime in American history.

 

[georgephillip]

You think that hundreds of conspirators would just keep quiet for the less than dozen who know the whole story? You can keep them quiet when they set it up but what of after, when they find out what the whole story was? Not a chance.
Technically, you are right. Wiring all three towers to go isn't "impossible" but doing it and doing it without being detected is so highly improbably that it is for all intents and purposes impossible. The buildings collapsed from the point of impact downward. How did the demolition team know exactly where the planes would hit?

No, this conspiracy theory is even more easily debunked than the official version.

I think it's more likely a couple hundred (foreign) hired killers would keep quiet about their role in wiring the towers than your belief the laws of nature were suspended on 911. Why don't we give the 46% of US citizens who haven't seen the collapse of WTC7 since the day of the attacks a chance to watch the 2.25 seconds of free fall acceleration and then call for an independent investigation into those terror attacks before Dick and Dubya die of old age?

More and more are finding out. Now that more know than don't and now that the shock of 911 is wearing off people are not afraid to talk. Many of the people I've show the video of B7 to have told me that they always suspected that the Twin Towers were demoed but just accepted the OCT because they didn't have any evidence to the contrary which was indisputable...until they saw B7.

I had similar conversations at work on 911 regarding the first two towers that fell.
There seemed to be a consensus the buildings were wired, but no one could explain how Osama managed that part. Hopefully, you're correct about the amount of time that has passed making it easier for Americans to consider the "impossible." If we don't, I suspect whatever potential we had in 1776 to free this world from the yoke of eternal war and endless debt will be lost.

 

[wihosa]

It's only in this section because the cowardly moderators won't allow a free and open discussion of the facts about 911

No it is in this section because it is the same tired subject that has been brought up over and over for ten years by folks like yourself who have never actually been there like I was. You have done no actual investigation of your own. You just copy and paste other people's nonsense.

If you have a theory prove it. Go to New York. Speak to the people who were there. When you do your own documented scientific tests and research we will be glad to discuss the subject with you.

This^^^

I've never copied and pasted anyone. Since you made the accusation why don't you prove it.

Same tired subject? Really? The greatest crime in our history and you're just bored with it? Or too invested in the Official Conspiracy Theory and afraid to find out you've been duped all these years.