"unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office"

[hazlnut]

Things are unraveling so fast now, but it seems like Pence and congress are still waiting for Mueller to give them something that will protect them from the wrath of the Trump loyalists.

The 25th Amendment -
Section 4: Vice Presidential–Cabinet declaration
Section 4 is the only part of the amendment that has never been invoked.[26] It allows the Vice President, together with a "majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide", to declare the President "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office" by submitting a written declaration to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives. As with Section 3, the Vice President would become Acting President, not President, and the sitting President would not be removed from office. Unlike Section 3, Section 4 says that when invoked the Vice President "immediately" becomes Acting President.

Section 4 is meant to be invoked should the President's incapacity prevent him from discharging his duties, but he is unable or unwilling to provide the written declaration called for by Section 3. The President must send a written declaration to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House to have the presidential powers and duties returned to him. If the Acting President together with a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of other such body as Congress may by law provide believe the President is still incapacitated, they must send a second declaration to that effect to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

If not already in session, the Congress must then assemble within 48 hours. The Congress has 21 days to decide the issue. If within the 21 days two-thirds of each house of Congress vote that the President is incapacitated, the Vice President would "continue" to be Acting President. Should the Congress resolve the issue in favor of the President, or make no decision within the 21 days allotted, then the President would "resume" discharging the powers and duties of his office. The use of the words "continue" and "resume" imply that the Vice President remains Acting President during the four day waiting period and while Congress deliberates, and the legislative history of Section 4 makes it clear that its drafters meant for the Vice President to do so.[27] As pointed out by Brian C. Kalt and other academics, the obvious flaw in having the President regain power during the waiting period is that the President could simply fire everyone who voted against him once he regained power.

However, the President may again submit a written declaration of recovery to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House. That declaration could be responded to by the Vice President and a majority of the Cabinet in the same way as stated earlier. The specified 21-day Congressional procedure would start again.


That 21 days is going to something books will be written about. Perhaps entire college courses devoted to.

We are living in interesting times. (which is a reference to a Chinese curse)

 

[JGalt]

Nice fantasy scenario. Entertaining but very unlikely.

 

[bripat9643]

Things are unraveling so fast now, but it seems like Pence and congress are still waiting for Mueller to give them something that will protect them from the wrath of the Trump loyalists.

The 25th Amendment -
Section 4: Vice Presidential–Cabinet declaration
Section 4 is the only part of the amendment that has never been invoked.[26] It allows the Vice President, together with a "majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide", to declare the President "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office" by submitting a written declaration to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives. As with Section 3, the Vice President would become Acting President, not President, and the sitting President would not be removed from office. Unlike Section 3, Section 4 says that when invoked the Vice President "immediately" becomes Acting President.

Section 4 is meant to be invoked should the President's incapacity prevent him from discharging his duties, but he is unable or unwilling to provide the written declaration called for by Section 3. The President must send a written declaration to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House to have the presidential powers and duties returned to him. If the Acting President together with a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of other such body as Congress may by law provide believe the President is still incapacitated, they must send a second declaration to that effect to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

If not already in session, the Congress must then assemble within 48 hours. The Congress has 21 days to decide the issue. If within the 21 days two-thirds of each house of Congress vote that the President is incapacitated, the Vice President would "continue" to be Acting President. Should the Congress resolve the issue in favor of the President, or make no decision within the 21 days allotted, then the President would "resume" discharging the powers and duties of his office. The use of the words "continue" and "resume" imply that the Vice President remains Acting President during the four day waiting period and while Congress deliberates, and the legislative history of Section 4 makes it clear that its drafters meant for the Vice President to do so.[27] As pointed out by Brian C. Kalt and other academics, the obvious flaw in having the President regain power during the waiting period is that the President could simply fire everyone who voted against him once he regained power.

However, the President may again submit a written declaration of recovery to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House. That declaration could be responded to by the Vice President and a majority of the Cabinet in the same way as stated earlier. The specified 21-day Congressional procedure would start again.


That 21 days is going to something books will be written about. Perhaps entire college courses devoted to.

We are living in interesting times. (which is a reference to a Chinese curse)

Another snowflake wet dream.

 

[Meathead]

Things are unraveling so fast now, but it seems like Pence and congress are still waiting for Mueller to give them something that will protect them from the wrath of the Trump loyalists.

The 25th Amendment -
Section 4: Vice Presidential–Cabinet declaration
Section 4 is the only part of the amendment that has never been invoked.[26] It allows the Vice President, together with a "majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide", to declare the President "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office" by submitting a written declaration to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives. As with Section 3, the Vice President would become Acting President, not President, and the sitting President would not be removed from office. Unlike Section 3, Section 4 says that when invoked the Vice President "immediately" becomes Acting President.

Section 4 is meant to be invoked should the President's incapacity prevent him from discharging his duties, but he is unable or unwilling to provide the written declaration called for by Section 3. The President must send a written declaration to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House to have the presidential powers and duties returned to him. If the Acting President together with a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of other such body as Congress may by law provide believe the President is still incapacitated, they must send a second declaration to that effect to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

If not already in session, the Congress must then assemble within 48 hours. The Congress has 21 days to decide the issue. If within the 21 days two-thirds of each house of Congress vote that the President is incapacitated, the Vice President would "continue" to be Acting President. Should the Congress resolve the issue in favor of the President, or make no decision within the 21 days allotted, then the President would "resume" discharging the powers and duties of his office. The use of the words "continue" and "resume" imply that the Vice President remains Acting President during the four day waiting period and while Congress deliberates, and the legislative history of Section 4 makes it clear that its drafters meant for the Vice President to do so.[27] As pointed out by Brian C. Kalt and other academics, the obvious flaw in having the President regain power during the waiting period is that the President could simply fire everyone who voted against him once he regained power.

However, the President may again submit a written declaration of recovery to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House. That declaration could be responded to by the Vice President and a majority of the Cabinet in the same way as stated earlier. The specified 21-day Congressional procedure would start again.


That 21 days is going to something books will be written about. Perhaps entire college courses devoted to.

We are living in interesting times. (which is a reference to a Chinese curse)

That was written after Wilson's incapacitation. Trump may be a lot of things, but incapacitated he is not.

MAGA baby!

 

[emilynghiem]

Things are unraveling so fast now, but it seems like Pence and congress are still waiting for Mueller to give them something that will protect them from the wrath of the Trump loyalists.

The 25th Amendment -
Section 4: Vice Presidential–Cabinet declaration
Section 4 is the only part of the amendment that has never been invoked.[26] It allows the Vice President, together with a "majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide", to declare the President "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office" by submitting a written declaration to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives. As with Section 3, the Vice President would become Acting President, not President, and the sitting President would not be removed from office. Unlike Section 3, Section 4 says that when invoked the Vice President "immediately" becomes Acting President.

Section 4 is meant to be invoked should the President's incapacity prevent him from discharging his duties, but he is unable or unwilling to provide the written declaration called for by Section 3. The President must send a written declaration to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House to have the presidential powers and duties returned to him. If the Acting President together with a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of other such body as Congress may by law provide believe the President is still incapacitated, they must send a second declaration to that effect to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

If not already in session, the Congress must then assemble within 48 hours. The Congress has 21 days to decide the issue. If within the 21 days two-thirds of each house of Congress vote that the President is incapacitated, the Vice President would "continue" to be Acting President. Should the Congress resolve the issue in favor of the President, or make no decision within the 21 days allotted, then the President would "resume" discharging the powers and duties of his office. The use of the words "continue" and "resume" imply that the Vice President remains Acting President during the four day waiting period and while Congress deliberates, and the legislative history of Section 4 makes it clear that its drafters meant for the Vice President to do so.[27] As pointed out by Brian C. Kalt and other academics, the obvious flaw in having the President regain power during the waiting period is that the President could simply fire everyone who voted against him once he regained power.

However, the President may again submit a written declaration of recovery to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House. That declaration could be responded to by the Vice President and a majority of the Cabinet in the same way as stated earlier. The specified 21-day Congressional procedure would start again.


That 21 days is going to something books will be written about. Perhaps entire college courses devoted to.

We are living in interesting times. (which is a reference to a Chinese curse)

Dear hazlnut
If Obama doesn't even recognize the ACA mandates violated Constitutional oaths of office to uphold
the Constitution and never to be a party to its evasion (see Code of Ethics for Govt Service Public Law 96 303)
then he should have been declared incompetent as well.

If you are going to hold Trump incompetent, let's look at the Clintons
that endorsed and/or passed DOMA found later to be be unconstitutional.

If they as lawyers didn't see that in advance, that's either deliberate or negligence.

Same with Obama.

Trump's wall is also unconstitutional in how it's being imposed as part of
political beliefs battling to impose the will of one party's beliefs over another.

None of this is fully constitutional.
It's either negligence, deliberately willful violations, or mental incompetence
if these leaders do not recognize what is unconstitutional about the process!

Be fair.

If we are going to put the Constitution first before party or beliefs,
then we cannot police abuses "selectively" but must go after ALL violations EQUALLY.

Are you in agreement to lobby all parties to redress these grievances EQUALLY?
Then we have an argument, but it must be fair and
"expose corruption WHEREVER discovered"
not selectively expose some and cover up others
or that's against the Code of Ethics we are trying to enforce:
www.ethics-commission.net

I agree to go after ALL abuses and get taxpayers paid back for all
debts and damages incurred by govt abuses on ALL sides. how about you?
all or nothing?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Things are unraveling so fast now, but it seems like Pence and congress are still waiting for Mueller to give them something that will protect them from the wrath of the Trump loyalists.

The 25th Amendment -
Section 4: Vice Presidential–Cabinet declaration
Section 4 is the only part of the amendment that has never been invoked.[26] It allows the Vice President, together with a "majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide", to declare the President "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office" by submitting a written declaration to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives. As with Section 3, the Vice President would become Acting President, not President, and the sitting President would not be removed from office. Unlike Section 3, Section 4 says that when invoked the Vice President "immediately" becomes Acting President.

Section 4 is meant to be invoked should the President's incapacity prevent him from discharging his duties, but he is unable or unwilling to provide the written declaration called for by Section 3. The President must send a written declaration to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House to have the presidential powers and duties returned to him. If the Acting President together with a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of other such body as Congress may by law provide believe the President is still incapacitated, they must send a second declaration to that effect to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

If not already in session, the Congress must then assemble within 48 hours. The Congress has 21 days to decide the issue. If within the 21 days two-thirds of each house of Congress vote that the President is incapacitated, the Vice President would "continue" to be Acting President. Should the Congress resolve the issue in favor of the President, or make no decision within the 21 days allotted, then the President would "resume" discharging the powers and duties of his office. The use of the words "continue" and "resume" imply that the Vice President remains Acting President during the four day waiting period and while Congress deliberates, and the legislative history of Section 4 makes it clear that its drafters meant for the Vice President to do so.[27] As pointed out by Brian C. Kalt and other academics, the obvious flaw in having the President regain power during the waiting period is that the President could simply fire everyone who voted against him once he regained power.

However, the President may again submit a written declaration of recovery to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House. That declaration could be responded to by the Vice President and a majority of the Cabinet in the same way as stated earlier. The specified 21-day Congressional procedure would start again.


That 21 days is going to something books will be written about. Perhaps entire college courses devoted to.

We are living in interesting times. (which is a reference to a Chinese curse)

I think that if the 25 amendment was exercised , you would see about 200,000,000 very angry US citizens show up in Washington DC demanding that those morons who went against the will of the people will then be held accountable. I would love to see Nancy Pelosi, Chuckie Schumer and Bitch McConnell shackled and thrown in the stocks.

 

[BluesLegend]

Trump defeating Hillary is pure torture for liberals, told you they would get what's coming to them one day.

 

[martybegan]

Things are unraveling so fast now, but it seems like Pence and congress are still waiting for Mueller to give them something that will protect them from the wrath of the Trump loyalists.

The 25th Amendment -
Section 4: Vice Presidential–Cabinet declaration
Section 4 is the only part of the amendment that has never been invoked.[26] It allows the Vice President, together with a "majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide", to declare the President "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office" by submitting a written declaration to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives. As with Section 3, the Vice President would become Acting President, not President, and the sitting President would not be removed from office. Unlike Section 3, Section 4 says that when invoked the Vice President "immediately" becomes Acting President.

Section 4 is meant to be invoked should the President's incapacity prevent him from discharging his duties, but he is unable or unwilling to provide the written declaration called for by Section 3. The President must send a written declaration to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House to have the presidential powers and duties returned to him. If the Acting President together with a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of other such body as Congress may by law provide believe the President is still incapacitated, they must send a second declaration to that effect to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

If not already in session, the Congress must then assemble within 48 hours. The Congress has 21 days to decide the issue. If within the 21 days two-thirds of each house of Congress vote that the President is incapacitated, the Vice President would "continue" to be Acting President. Should the Congress resolve the issue in favor of the President, or make no decision within the 21 days allotted, then the President would "resume" discharging the powers and duties of his office. The use of the words "continue" and "resume" imply that the Vice President remains Acting President during the four day waiting period and while Congress deliberates, and the legislative history of Section 4 makes it clear that its drafters meant for the Vice President to do so.[27] As pointed out by Brian C. Kalt and other academics, the obvious flaw in having the President regain power during the waiting period is that the President could simply fire everyone who voted against him once he regained power.

However, the President may again submit a written declaration of recovery to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House. That declaration could be responded to by the Vice President and a majority of the Cabinet in the same way as stated earlier. The specified 21-day Congressional procedure would start again.


That 21 days is going to something books will be written about. Perhaps entire college courses devoted to.

We are living in interesting times. (which is a reference to a Chinese curse)

 

[debbiedowner]

Things are unraveling so fast now, but it seems like Pence and congress are still waiting for Mueller to give them something that will protect them from the wrath of the Trump loyalists.

The 25th Amendment -
Section 4: Vice Presidential–Cabinet declaration
Section 4 is the only part of the amendment that has never been invoked.[26] It allows the Vice President, together with a "majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide", to declare the President "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office" by submitting a written declaration to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives. As with Section 3, the Vice President would become Acting President, not President, and the sitting President would not be removed from office. Unlike Section 3, Section 4 says that when invoked the Vice President "immediately" becomes Acting President.

Section 4 is meant to be invoked should the President's incapacity prevent him from discharging his duties, but he is unable or unwilling to provide the written declaration called for by Section 3. The President must send a written declaration to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House to have the presidential powers and duties returned to him. If the Acting President together with a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of other such body as Congress may by law provide believe the President is still incapacitated, they must send a second declaration to that effect to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

If not already in session, the Congress must then assemble within 48 hours. The Congress has 21 days to decide the issue. If within the 21 days two-thirds of each house of Congress vote that the President is incapacitated, the Vice President would "continue" to be Acting President. Should the Congress resolve the issue in favor of the President, or make no decision within the 21 days allotted, then the President would "resume" discharging the powers and duties of his office. The use of the words "continue" and "resume" imply that the Vice President remains Acting President during the four day waiting period and while Congress deliberates, and the legislative history of Section 4 makes it clear that its drafters meant for the Vice President to do so.[27] As pointed out by Brian C. Kalt and other academics, the obvious flaw in having the President regain power during the waiting period is that the President could simply fire everyone who voted against him once he regained power.

However, the President may again submit a written declaration of recovery to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House. That declaration could be responded to by the Vice President and a majority of the Cabinet in the same way as stated earlier. The specified 21-day Congressional procedure would start again.


That 21 days is going to something books will be written about. Perhaps entire college courses devoted to.

We are living in interesting times. (which is a reference to a Chinese curse)

I think that if the 25 amendment was exercised , you would see about 200,000,000 very angry US citizens show up in Washington DC demanding that those morons who went against the will of the people will then be held accountable. I would love to see Nancy Pelosi, Chuckie Schumer and Bitch McConnell shackled and thrown in the stocks.

Is there that many USMB right leaning board members and white supremacist's. Who would have thunk?

 

[Auld Phart]

Several posts have been deleted for being off topic, and trolling.

This is Zone 2

posts need content

 

[Mac1958]

I don't know why people burn any time on this kind of thing.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

I don't know why people burn any time on this kind of thing.

Because they need some kind of manufactured hope to keep going.

After all, how can you live with a loss like they had in 2016 ?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Things are unraveling so fast now, but it seems like Pence and congress are still waiting for Mueller to give them something that will protect them from the wrath of the Trump loyalists.

The 25th Amendment -
Section 4: Vice Presidential–Cabinet declaration
Section 4 is the only part of the amendment that has never been invoked.[26] It allows the Vice President, together with a "majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide", to declare the President "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office" by submitting a written declaration to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives. As with Section 3, the Vice President would become Acting President, not President, and the sitting President would not be removed from office. Unlike Section 3, Section 4 says that when invoked the Vice President "immediately" becomes Acting President.

Section 4 is meant to be invoked should the President's incapacity prevent him from discharging his duties, but he is unable or unwilling to provide the written declaration called for by Section 3. The President must send a written declaration to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House to have the presidential powers and duties returned to him. If the Acting President together with a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of other such body as Congress may by law provide believe the President is still incapacitated, they must send a second declaration to that effect to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

If not already in session, the Congress must then assemble within 48 hours. The Congress has 21 days to decide the issue. If within the 21 days two-thirds of each house of Congress vote that the President is incapacitated, the Vice President would "continue" to be Acting President. Should the Congress resolve the issue in favor of the President, or make no decision within the 21 days allotted, then the President would "resume" discharging the powers and duties of his office. The use of the words "continue" and "resume" imply that the Vice President remains Acting President during the four day waiting period and while Congress deliberates, and the legislative history of Section 4 makes it clear that its drafters meant for the Vice President to do so.[27] As pointed out by Brian C. Kalt and other academics, the obvious flaw in having the President regain power during the waiting period is that the President could simply fire everyone who voted against him once he regained power.

However, the President may again submit a written declaration of recovery to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House. That declaration could be responded to by the Vice President and a majority of the Cabinet in the same way as stated earlier. The specified 21-day Congressional procedure would start again.


That 21 days is going to something books will be written about. Perhaps entire college courses devoted to.

We are living in interesting times. (which is a reference to a Chinese curse)

Another snowflake wet dream.

Given the nature of this snowflake, he must change his sheets every night.

This kind of thing is way to funny.

 

[emilynghiem]

Things are unraveling so fast now, but it seems like Pence and congress are still waiting for Mueller to give them something that will protect them from the wrath of the Trump loyalists.

The 25th Amendment -
Section 4: Vice Presidential–Cabinet declaration
Section 4 is the only part of the amendment that has never been invoked.[26] It allows the Vice President, together with a "majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide", to declare the President "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office" by submitting a written declaration to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives. As with Section 3, the Vice President would become Acting President, not President, and the sitting President would not be removed from office. Unlike Section 3, Section 4 says that when invoked the Vice President "immediately" becomes Acting President.

Section 4 is meant to be invoked should the President's incapacity prevent him from discharging his duties, but he is unable or unwilling to provide the written declaration called for by Section 3. The President must send a written declaration to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House to have the presidential powers and duties returned to him. If the Acting President together with a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of other such body as Congress may by law provide believe the President is still incapacitated, they must send a second declaration to that effect to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

If not already in session, the Congress must then assemble within 48 hours. The Congress has 21 days to decide the issue. If within the 21 days two-thirds of each house of Congress vote that the President is incapacitated, the Vice President would "continue" to be Acting President. Should the Congress resolve the issue in favor of the President, or make no decision within the 21 days allotted, then the President would "resume" discharging the powers and duties of his office. The use of the words "continue" and "resume" imply that the Vice President remains Acting President during the four day waiting period and while Congress deliberates, and the legislative history of Section 4 makes it clear that its drafters meant for the Vice President to do so.[27] As pointed out by Brian C. Kalt and other academics, the obvious flaw in having the President regain power during the waiting period is that the President could simply fire everyone who voted against him once he regained power.

However, the President may again submit a written declaration of recovery to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House. That declaration could be responded to by the Vice President and a majority of the Cabinet in the same way as stated earlier. The specified 21-day Congressional procedure would start again.


That 21 days is going to something books will be written about. Perhaps entire college courses devoted to.

We are living in interesting times. (which is a reference to a Chinese curse)

I think that if the 25 amendment was exercised , you would see about 200,000,000 very angry US citizens show up in Washington DC demanding that those morons who went against the will of the people will then be held accountable. I would love to see Nancy Pelosi, Chuckie Schumer and Bitch McConnell shackled and thrown in the stocks.

Dear andaronjim and hazlnut
I second andaronjim's motion to hold Pelosi responsible for unconstitutional violations of oath of office constitutional laws process and ethics. Specifically Obama and Pelosi should be sued for abusing office and govt to endorse, pass and enforce the ACA mandates that discriminated by creed and penalized citizens whose Constitutional beliefs were violated on several counts.

hazlnut I have also gathered support from progressives who still want to sue or petition for reimbursement for unconstitutional war spending under Bush admin that cost taxpayers in the trillions.

Are both of you in agreement to have each party present grievances and demand reimbursement, corrections, collections and credit to taxpayers for govt abuses of public office, authority, laws and resources?

We don't have to agree with each other's grievances.
If my beliefs weren't violated by one policy, let others collect on those damages.
But don't block me from petitioning to redress other grievances that cost me and discriminated against my beliefs.

So as taxpayers all lobbying for damages that affected us,
we should be able to collect triple than if we lobby separately and block each other's arguments.

Why not honor all of them and retake control of govt and resources.
Turn the tables and debts around on the wrongdoers that racked up these charges
instead of rolling that over onto taxpayers to pay the costs ,damages and abuses of the crimes and violations of others!

We unite, we all win. We don't even have to agree.
I don't have to be a party to your lawsuit, but I support you in collecting back
damages and reducing the debts currently charged to taxpayers for all this nonsense!

hazlnut and andaronjim
Let's form a diverse inclusive coalition of all parties with grievances
demanding reimbursement to taxpayers for govt abuses and unconstitutional costs damages and penalties.
Bailouts to corporate profiteers that we the taxpayers didn't agree or authorize to be charged to us.

All these wrongs can be researched, documented and assessed in the billions if not trillions we are owed.
Then we petition together to get all these debts paid back BY THE WRONGDOERS.

so that gets us as the taxpayers off the hook and back in charge
of the govt serving and representing OUR consent, not dictating and making us pay for garbage policies and corporate bailouts.

Let's get Levine and Libertarians, and progressives united who still oppose unchecked war spending
and foreign aid that is wasting taxpayer resources and keeping us in debt to China

Instead of letting these corporate players "divide and conquer" the people by party,
we include ALL parties ALL grievances and demand reimbursement and credit TOGETHER.

We don't have to agree on all counts.
Just agree to pay us back and get our country out of debt from govt waste abuse and violations.
And charge this back to WRONGDOERS. If they can't pay, then we claim CREDITS
in the federal reserve, and hold property and programs as collateral. So we the taxpayers
can choose what debts to bail out and what collateral we require to invest our tax dollars
and tax breaks into reforming the govt. So we regain control of what policies or solutions
we agree to pay for to fix the problems caused by govt abusers. We don't pay for that
unless we agree to on our terms. And every party can spell out their own terms!

Are you in?
Say yes. And I'll help you contact your local party precinct chairs
and nearest Congressional or State level office to get this restitution process going!

 

[LordBrownTrout]

**psycho alert**

 

[JakeStarkey]

Pence does want to be da Man!

 

[bendog]

Things are unraveling so fast now, but it seems like Pence and congress are still waiting for Mueller to give them something that will protect them from the wrath of the Trump loyalists.

The 25th Amendment -
Section 4: Vice Presidential–Cabinet declaration
Section 4 is the only part of the amendment that has never been invoked.[26] It allows the Vice President, together with a "majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide", to declare the President "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office" by submitting a written declaration to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives. As with Section 3, the Vice President would become Acting President, not President, and the sitting President would not be removed from office. Unlike Section 3, Section 4 says that when invoked the Vice President "immediately" becomes Acting President.

Section 4 is meant to be invoked should the President's incapacity prevent him from discharging his duties, but he is unable or unwilling to provide the written declaration called for by Section 3. The President must send a written declaration to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House to have the presidential powers and duties returned to him. If the Acting President together with a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of other such body as Congress may by law provide believe the President is still incapacitated, they must send a second declaration to that effect to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

If not already in session, the Congress must then assemble within 48 hours. The Congress has 21 days to decide the issue. If within the 21 days two-thirds of each house of Congress vote that the President is incapacitated, the Vice President would "continue" to be Acting President. Should the Congress resolve the issue in favor of the President, or make no decision within the 21 days allotted, then the President would "resume" discharging the powers and duties of his office. The use of the words "continue" and "resume" imply that the Vice President remains Acting President during the four day waiting period and while Congress deliberates, and the legislative history of Section 4 makes it clear that its drafters meant for the Vice President to do so.[27] As pointed out by Brian C. Kalt and other academics, the obvious flaw in having the President regain power during the waiting period is that the President could simply fire everyone who voted against him once he regained power.

However, the President may again submit a written declaration of recovery to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House. That declaration could be responded to by the Vice President and a majority of the Cabinet in the same way as stated earlier. The specified 21-day Congressional procedure would start again.


That 21 days is going to something books will be written about. Perhaps entire college courses devoted to.

We are living in interesting times. (which is a reference to a Chinese curse)

If Jesus Christ came back to earth, and we assassinated the poor fool again, Mike "save the egg" Pence would be saying "But I was never informed this was happening, I'm totally not to blame."

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Number two GOP senator nails Trump for hosting a ‘reality TV show at the White House’

Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn (R-TX) on Friday called President Donald Trump out without using his name during a Friday press conference in Austin.

 

[JakeStarkey]

So did Hatch and others.

They are going to have put congressional checks on the fool, or he will try to become a dictator without an enabling act.

If that happens, we can only hope the Secret Service take him into custody and turn him over to the FBI.

 

[bendog]

I don't know what they'll do. He has power to pretty much unilaterally set trade policy ... unless the pass something setting trade policy and override a veto, assuming Trump would veto it, which I doubt he would.

I'm all for sanctioning trade when dumping is shown, but the EU and Canada aren't dumping. But with workers healthcare not being paid directly the employer, they labor costs are lower. But why blame them for having more sane governments that ours'? LOL