UN to make defamation of islam illegal......

[Sinatra]

U.N. rights council adopts resolution against religious defamation at Muslim prodding

GENEVA: Islamic countries pushed through a resolution at the U.N. Human Rights Council on Friday urging a global prohibition on the public defamation of religion — a response largely to the furor last year over caricatures published in a Danish newspaper of the Muslim Prophet Muhammad.

The statement proposed by the Organization of Islamic Conference addressed what it called a "campaign" against Muslim minorities and the Islamic religion around the world since the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in the United States.

The resolution, which was opposed by European and a number of other non-Muslim countries, "expresses deep concern at attempts to identify Islam with terrorism, violence and human rights violations."

It makes no mention of Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism or any other religion besides Islam, but urges countries "to take resolute action to prohibit the dissemination of racist and xenophobic ideas and material aimed at any religion or its followers that constitute incitement and religious hatred, hostility, or violence."

Iran, whose President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has repeatedly called for Israel to be "wiped off the map," belongs to the 57-member Islamic conference.
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The resolution was adopted by a 24-14 vote with nine abstentions. Canada, Japan and South Korea joined European countries in opposition, primarily citing its excessive focus on Islam and incompatibility with fundamental rights such as the freedoms of speech and thought.

"The problem of religious intolerance is worldwide and not limited to certain religions," said Brigitta Maria Siefker-Eberle of Germany," speaking on behalf of the 27-nation European Union.

Ghana, India, Nigeria, Zambia and some of the council's Latin American countries abstained.

There are 17 Muslim countries in the 47-nation human rights council. Their alliance with China, Cuba, Russia and most of the African members means they can almost always achieve a majority.

Human Rights Watch said the resolution could endanger the basic rights of individuals.

The document "focuses on protection of religions themselves, particularly Islam, rather than the rights of individuals, including members of religious minorities," the New York-based rights group said in a statement.

The resolution says freedom of expression "may ... be subject to limitations as provided by law and necessary for respect of the rights or reputations of others ... or morals and respect for religions and beliefs."

The council, which last year replaced the discredited U.N. Human Rights Commission, has no power beyond drawing international attention to rights issues and scrutiny of abuses in certain countries.

The move at the council was initiated last year after protests across the Islamic world drew attention to caricatures of Muhammad first printed in Danish paper Jyllands-Posten in September 2005.

One of the drawings showed Muhammad with a bomb-shaped turban. Islamic law is often interpreted to forbid any depiction of the prophet for fear it could lead to idolatry.

U.N. rights council adopts resolution against religious defamation at Muslim prodding - International Herald Tribune

Now, when I saw this on the news last night, I couldn't believe it. Islam, which speaks bad about EVERY OTHER RELIGION, is now wanting to place themselves in a protected status.

Yep......just another example of domination by the "religion of pieces".

This is absolute madness.

Nice find ABS.

 

[pete]

So does that mean when Muslims call other people Infidels, we can nuke em since they don't respect our beliefs? Or should we just ask for their extradition so we can chop off their heads?

That would be an answer for sure, but then all the organizations that WILL pop up will call us out against it and as they don't respect others will prosecute the rest.
Sound familiar?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Islam is not against debates or discussions regarding the tenets of each religion. It just asks that the environment be respectful. That's all. You won't find us mocking Jesus or Moses for example and that is what we ask in return, mutual respect for our beliefs..

Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth, best who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. (125)

Quran 16:125

Ya that is why Islam run countries forbid the building of new non Muslim religious structures, the open display of non Muslim religious activities, the outlawing of importation of other religions holy books or materials... shall I go on?

 

[Gunny]

U.N. rights council adopts resolution against religious defamation at Muslim prodding

GENEVA: Islamic countries pushed through a resolution at the U.N. Human Rights Council on Friday urging a global prohibition on the public defamation of religion — a response largely to the furor last year over caricatures published in a Danish newspaper of the Muslim Prophet Muhammad.

The statement proposed by the Organization of Islamic Conference addressed what it called a "campaign" against Muslim minorities and the Islamic religion around the world since the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in the United States.

The resolution, which was opposed by European and a number of other non-Muslim countries, "expresses deep concern at attempts to identify Islam with terrorism, violence and human rights violations."

It makes no mention of Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism or any other religion besides Islam, but urges countries "to take resolute action to prohibit the dissemination of racist and xenophobic ideas and material aimed at any religion or its followers that constitute incitement and religious hatred, hostility, or violence."

Iran, whose President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has repeatedly called for Israel to be "wiped off the map," belongs to the 57-member Islamic conference.
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The resolution was adopted by a 24-14 vote with nine abstentions. Canada, Japan and South Korea joined European countries in opposition, primarily citing its excessive focus on Islam and incompatibility with fundamental rights such as the freedoms of speech and thought.

"The problem of religious intolerance is worldwide and not limited to certain religions," said Brigitta Maria Siefker-Eberle of Germany," speaking on behalf of the 27-nation European Union.

Ghana, India, Nigeria, Zambia and some of the council's Latin American countries abstained.

There are 17 Muslim countries in the 47-nation human rights council. Their alliance with China, Cuba, Russia and most of the African members means they can almost always achieve a majority.

Human Rights Watch said the resolution could endanger the basic rights of individuals.

The document "focuses on protection of religions themselves, particularly Islam, rather than the rights of individuals, including members of religious minorities," the New York-based rights group said in a statement.

The resolution says freedom of expression "may ... be subject to limitations as provided by law and necessary for respect of the rights or reputations of others ... or morals and respect for religions and beliefs."

The council, which last year replaced the discredited U.N. Human Rights Commission, has no power beyond drawing international attention to rights issues and scrutiny of abuses in certain countries.

The move at the council was initiated last year after protests across the Islamic world drew attention to caricatures of Muhammad first printed in Danish paper Jyllands-Posten in September 2005.

One of the drawings showed Muhammad with a bomb-shaped turban. Islamic law is often interpreted to forbid any depiction of the prophet for fear it could lead to idolatry.

U.N. rights council adopts resolution against religious defamation at Muslim prodding - International Herald Tribune

Now, when I saw this on the news last night, I couldn't believe it. Islam, which speaks bad about EVERY OTHER RELIGION, is now wanting to place themselves in a protected status.

Yep......just another example of domination by the "religion of pieces".

As I always say ... fuck the UN. Quit giving them money and charge them rent or kick them the fuck out.

Here's an idea ... how about the UN makes genocide in Africa illegal?

 

[michiganFats]

It's the U.N. Who cares? I can't think of a group that I give any less of a shit about than the U.N.

 

[TAS]

Islam is not against debates or discussions regarding the tenets of each religion. It just asks that the environment be respectful. That's all. You won't find us mocking Jesus or Moses for example and that is what we ask in return, mutual respect for our beliefs..

Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth, best who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. (125)

Quran 16:125

Ya that is why Islam run countries forbid the building of new non Muslim religious structures, the open display of non Muslim religious activities, the outlawing of importation of other religions holy books or materials... shall I go on?

Hi
Yes that happens in Islamic countries but it also happens in Western countries where building mosques is met with huge protests, where open display of religious beliefs is forbidden like wearing hijab in France's public schools.

What should happen in Muslim countries and other non-Muslim countries is to allow everyone to choose his beliefs without any pressure or threats.

 

[rayboyusmc]

Let's just live on a fucking island all by ourself. Get a life. The current UN may not work as well as it was planned to, but to think we can cut ourself off from the rest of world -- go back to your caves.

As to the Muslim religion thing, fuck them if they can't take a joke.

And, by the way, it isn't "all" muslims just like it isn't all christians who are extremists. Remember, we did have the Spanish Inquistion at one time also.

 

[michiganFats]

Let's just live on a fucking island all by ourself. Get a life. The current UN may not work as well as it was planned to, but to think we can cut ourself off from the rest of world -- go back to your caves.

What are you saying here? Are you responding to an opinion that a single poster put out there about the UN overall? Are you suggesting that we should actually try our level best to comply with this "directive" from the UN? Or, is this just a catch-all statement?

 

[Munin]

Before you hypocrite fucks get too deep into your boohoo tangent.. why is itt hat you silly motherfuckers never talk about FREE SPEECH when it comes to denying the holocaust in Germany? By all means, continue to make fun of islam but at least have the fucking consistency to apply the same standard to people who are busy defacing YOUR religious affiliation. Otherwise, you are nothing more than a punchline to an unfunny joke.

It is because the holocaust was a genocide and because the evidence is so overwhelming that the denial of it is seen as antisemitic (in Europe). It is mainly because this event happened not so long ago.

You might as well spit on the graves of the people who were massacred by the nazis (this is literally how it is seen by Europeans: people who deny the holocaust are spitting on the graves of the victims). You don't spit on the graves of dead americans troops, now do you?


When muslims make fun of Christianity and many other religions then it is OK, but when others make fun of Islam then it is no more OK : that is hypocritical

 

[Shogun]

Before you hypocrite fucks get too deep into your boohoo tangent.. why is itt hat you silly motherfuckers never talk about FREE SPEECH when it comes to denying the holocaust in Germany? By all means, continue to make fun of islam but at least have the fucking consistency to apply the same standard to people who are busy defacing YOUR religious affiliation. Otherwise, you are nothing more than a punchline to an unfunny joke.

It is because the holocaust was a genocide and because the evidence is so overwhelming that the denial of it is seen as antisemitic (in Europe). It is mainly because this event happened not so long ago.

You might as well spit on the graves of the people who were massacred by the nazis (this is literally how it is seen by Europeans: people who deny the holocaust are spitting on the graves of the victims). You don't spit on the graves of dead americans troops, now do you?


When muslims make fun of Christianity and many other religions then it is OK, but when others make fun of Islam then it is no more OK : that is hypocritical

well, excuses for hypocrisies sure isn't rare! I don't deny the holocaust at all.... But to cry fould that some german thinks so out of one side of your mouth while crying like a bitch about free speech when it comes to talking shit about islam is nothing less than talking out of both sides of your mouth. FREEDOM OF SPEECH ALLOWS PEOPLE TO "SPIT ON THE GRAVES OF" WHOMEVER. do you not enjoy that same freedom HERE IN THE US? IS holocaust denial covered by OUR first amendment? IS IT A FUCKING CRIME TO TALK SHIT ABOUT DEAD AMERICAN SOLDIERS IF ONE IS SO INCLINED? ONce you answer that question HONESTLY, instead of giving the answer the kosher dick in your mouth wants you to give, then you'll be facing the double standard you represent.

 

[Harry Dresden]

It's the U.N. Who cares? I can't think of a group that I give any less of a shit about than the U.N.

well maybe NAMBLA....

 

[Munin]

Before you hypocrite fucks get too deep into your boohoo tangent.. why is itt hat you silly motherfuckers never talk about FREE SPEECH when it comes to denying the holocaust in Germany? By all means, continue to make fun of islam but at least have the fucking consistency to apply the same standard to people who are busy defacing YOUR religious affiliation. Otherwise, you are nothing more than a punchline to an unfunny joke.

It is because the holocaust was a genocide and because the evidence is so overwhelming that the denial of it is seen as antisemitic (in Europe). It is mainly because this event happened not so long ago.

You might as well spit on the graves of the people who were massacred by the nazis (this is literally how it is seen by Europeans: people who deny the holocaust are spitting on the graves of the victims). You don't spit on the graves of dead americans troops, now do you?


When muslims make fun of Christianity and many other religions then it is OK, but when others make fun of Islam then it is no more OK : that is hypocritical

well, excuses for hypocrisies sure isn't rare! I don't deny the holocaust at all.... But to cry fould that some german thinks so out of one side of your mouth while crying like a bitch about free speech when it comes to talking shit about islam is nothing less than talking out of both sides of your mouth. FREEDOM OF SPEECH ALLOWS PEOPLE TO "SPIT ON THE GRAVES OF" WHOMEVER. do you not enjoy that same freedom HERE IN THE US? IS holocaust denial covered by OUR first amendment? IS IT A FUCKING CRIME TO TALK SHIT ABOUT DEAD AMERICAN SOLDIERS IF ONE IS SO INCLINED? ONce you answer that question HONESTLY, instead of giving the answer the kosher dick in your mouth wants you to give, then you'll be facing the double standard you represent.

Islam is a religion and it does not compare to denying genocide in Europe so your comparison makes no sense. Holocaust survivors and Nazi survivors are still alive, so the pain about that genocide in Europe is still real (not just numbers out of a historic book like with the massacres in the Roman empire). In Europe it is sensitive and Europeans don't have the same freedom of speech that americans have, so you are comparing 2 complete different things. And no in America it is no fucking crime to talk shit about dead american soldiers, but I m sure that if you talk shit about a dead soldier to his mother (that is a stranger to you) that it will not be seen as something that is "acceptable".

Religion should be criticized and even be able to be mocked at, this should be no problem. When you can not criticize or mock a religion then you are living in a religious dictatorship, I suggest you go live in one of those countries if you really want that (because there are plenty of those already: for example in pakistan it is off with your head if you throw a Qur'an in the trash).

So yes it is true, there is no complete freedom of speech in Europe. But it is still better then in the shitty muslim countries where they ll murder you if you say/do something wrong about Islam, no religion should receive immunity not even your "holy" Islam. Where do you think all the shit in muslim countries comes from? Because people can not criticize their "holy" religion that is being used by their rulers, rulers who use the word "blasphemy" as a tool of government (just like your "holy" prophet did). You seem to dumb/ignorant to even acknowledge that. Yeah sure you can mock our freedom of speech because it is hypocrite, but we will mock your religion that causes so many muslims to immigrate to our Western countries. I ll gladly choose this hypocritical freedom of speech above the immunity of a religion.

 

[Shogun]

of course it makes sense if the standard is FREEDOM OF SPEECH. It's fucking hilarious how quick you people are to insist that shit that benefits zion is somehow different or totally incomparable to anything that criticizes zion.

the "pain" of a holocaust survivor, or ANY travesty, doesn't nullify OUR freedom of speech, eh? I can literally make 9/11 jokes about Americans leaping from skyscrapers and I won't be thrown in jail for it. THAT is an applied freedom of speech. Your logic fails. But, hey, what else are you going to do with a kosher dick messaging your tonsils?

And yes, if I WANT to talk about dead soldiers I can do just that. You don't see Fred Phelps in fucking JAIL, do you? of course note. NEXT.

If your sole rebuttal amounts to falacious assumptions and deflection at a muslim country then go sit in your zionistcorner and shut the fuck up... whats that?!?!?! YOU dont have to because you have the freedom to say what you want???


NO WAI!




You silly fucks are too easy.

 

[Againsheila]

Before you hypocrite fucks get too deep into your boohoo tangent.. why is itt hat you silly motherfuckers never talk about FREE SPEECH when it comes to denying the holocaust in Germany? By all means, continue to make fun of islam but at least have the fucking consistency to apply the same standard to people who are busy defacing YOUR religious affiliation. Otherwise, you are nothing more than a punchline to an unfunny joke.

It is because the holocaust was a genocide and because the evidence is so overwhelming that the denial of it is seen as antisemitic (in Europe). It is mainly because this event happened not so long ago.

You might as well spit on the graves of the people who were massacred by the nazis (this is literally how it is seen by Europeans: people who deny the holocaust are spitting on the graves of the victims). You don't spit on the graves of dead americans troops, now do you?


When muslims make fun of Christianity and many other religions then it is OK, but when others make fun of Islam then it is no more OK : that is hypocritical

well, excuses for hypocrisies sure isn't rare! I don't deny the holocaust at all.... But to cry fould that some german thinks so out of one side of your mouth while crying like a bitch about free speech when it comes to talking shit about islam is nothing less than talking out of both sides of your mouth. FREEDOM OF SPEECH ALLOWS PEOPLE TO "SPIT ON THE GRAVES OF" WHOMEVER. do you not enjoy that same freedom HERE IN THE US? IS holocaust denial covered by OUR first amendment? IS IT A FUCKING CRIME TO TALK SHIT ABOUT DEAD AMERICAN SOLDIERS IF ONE IS SO INCLINED? ONce you answer that question HONESTLY, instead of giving the answer the kosher dick in your mouth wants you to give, then you'll be facing the double standard you represent.

I think you are trying to compare a law against free speech, with free speech.

There is no law against saying there is no holocaust. And we have every right, to tell someone that thinks there was no holocaust that they're full of crap. That's free speech.

The UN just passed a resolution that makes it illegal to speak negatively against Islam, that's taking away free speech.

 

[TAS]

It is because the holocaust was a genocide and because the evidence is so overwhelming that the denial of it is seen as antisemitic (in Europe). It is mainly because this event happened not so long ago.

You might as well spit on the graves of the people who were massacred by the nazis (this is literally how it is seen by Europeans: people who deny the holocaust are spitting on the graves of the victims). You don't spit on the graves of dead americans troops, now do you?


When muslims make fun of Christianity and many other religions then it is OK, but when others make fun of Islam then it is no more OK : that is hypocritical

well, excuses for hypocrisies sure isn't rare! I don't deny the holocaust at all.... But to cry fould that some german thinks so out of one side of your mouth while crying like a bitch about free speech when it comes to talking shit about islam is nothing less than talking out of both sides of your mouth. FREEDOM OF SPEECH ALLOWS PEOPLE TO "SPIT ON THE GRAVES OF" WHOMEVER. do you not enjoy that same freedom HERE IN THE US? IS holocaust denial covered by OUR first amendment? IS IT A FUCKING CRIME TO TALK SHIT ABOUT DEAD AMERICAN SOLDIERS IF ONE IS SO INCLINED? ONce you answer that question HONESTLY, instead of giving the answer the kosher dick in your mouth wants you to give, then you'll be facing the double standard you represent.

Islam is a religion and it does not compare to denying genocide in Europe so your comparison makes no sense. Holocaust survivors and Nazi survivors are still alive, so the pain about that genocide in Europe is still real (not just numbers out of a historic book like with the massacres in the Roman empire). In Europe it is sensitive and Europeans don't have the same freedom of speech that americans have, so you are comparing 2 complete different things. And no in America it is no fucking crime to talk shit about dead american soldiers, but I m sure that if you talk shit about a dead soldier to his mother (that is a stranger to you) that it will not be seen as something that is "acceptable".

Religion should be criticized and even be able to be mocked at, this should be no problem. When you can not criticize or mock a religion then you are living in a religious dictatorship, I suggest you go live in one of those countries if you really want that (because there are plenty of those already: for example in pakistan it is off with your head if you throw a Qur'an in the trash).

So yes it is true, there is no complete freedom of speech in Europe. But it is still better then in the shitty muslim countries where they ll murder you if you say/do something wrong about Islam, no religion should receive immunity not even your "holy" Islam. Where do you think all the shit in muslim countries comes from? Because people can not criticize their "holy" religion that is being used by their rulers, rulers who use the word "blasphemy" as a tool of government (just like your "holy" prophet did). You seem to dumb/ignorant to even acknowledge that. Yeah sure you can mock our freedom of speech because it is hypocrite, but we will mock your religion that causes so many muslims to immigrate to our Western countries. I ll gladly choose this hypocritical freedom of speech above the immunity of a religion.

In Islam, it is ok to criticize, debate,and discuss the tenets of Islam and other religions, but why add mockery to something that is held dear by many? Because when you mock any religion, then rational, logical and reasonable debate stops and that becomes an insulting match.
In the Quran, it asks to debate and discuss but in a respectable manner. Again here is teh verse from the Quran

Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth, best who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.

Quran 16:125

 

[TAS]

It is because the holocaust was a genocide and because the evidence is so overwhelming that the denial of it is seen as antisemitic (in Europe). It is mainly because this event happened not so long ago.

You might as well spit on the graves of the people who were massacred by the nazis (this is literally how it is seen by Europeans: people who deny the holocaust are spitting on the graves of the victims). You don't spit on the graves of dead americans troops, now do you?


When muslims make fun of Christianity and many other religions then it is OK, but when others make fun of Islam then it is no more OK : that is hypocritical

well, excuses for hypocrisies sure isn't rare! I don't deny the holocaust at all.... But to cry fould that some german thinks so out of one side of your mouth while crying like a bitch about free speech when it comes to talking shit about islam is nothing less than talking out of both sides of your mouth. FREEDOM OF SPEECH ALLOWS PEOPLE TO "SPIT ON THE GRAVES OF" WHOMEVER. do you not enjoy that same freedom HERE IN THE US? IS holocaust denial covered by OUR first amendment? IS IT A FUCKING CRIME TO TALK SHIT ABOUT DEAD AMERICAN SOLDIERS IF ONE IS SO INCLINED? ONce you answer that question HONESTLY, instead of giving the answer the kosher dick in your mouth wants you to give, then you'll be facing the double standard you represent.

I think you are trying to compare a law against free speech, with free speech.

There is no law against saying there is no holocaust. And we have every right, to tell someone that thinks there was no holocaust that they're full of crap. That's free speech.

The UN just passed a resolution that makes it illegal to speak negatively against Islam, that's taking away free speech.

The UN didn't pass the resolution. And they won't pass it.

 

[Munin]

of course it makes sense if the standard is FREEDOM OF SPEECH. It's fucking hilarious how quick you people are to insist that shit that benefits zion is somehow different or totally incomparable to anything that criticizes zion.

the "pain" of a holocaust survivor, or ANY travesty, doesn't nullify OUR freedom of speech, eh? I can literally make 9/11 jokes about Americans leaping from skyscrapers and I won't be thrown in jail for it. THAT is an applied freedom of speech. Your logic fails. But, hey, what else are you going to do with a kosher dick messaging your tonsils?

And yes, if I WANT to talk about dead soldiers I can do just that. You don't see Fred Phelps in fucking JAIL, do you? of course note. NEXT.

If your sole rebuttal amounts to falacious assumptions and deflection at a muslim country then go sit in your zionistcorner and shut the fuck up... whats that?!?!?! YOU dont have to because you have the freedom to say what you want???


NO WAI!




You silly fucks are too easy.

You are a moron, you don't even know that European freedom of speech does not equal American freedom of speech. If you deny the holocaust in a European country then you can be thrown in jail for it (depending on the country). Europeans have restricted freedom of speech to a certain limit, but mocking religion is accepted within those limits and other things are not.

Yeah sure, give your "anti-zionist" ramble. Crapping on jews and zionists, you must think that you re good muslim now

You are even more of a moron because you can't even see that immunity of a religion and freedom of speech don't fit together, a guy that defends immunity of religion would be the last person on earth to defend freedom of speech.

 

[YWN666]

We have freedom of speech in this country and the UN can't take that away. Even if the UN passes a resolution, how binding is it on the US?

 

[Shogun]

It is because the holocaust was a genocide and because the evidence is so overwhelming that the denial of it is seen as antisemitic (in Europe). It is mainly because this event happened not so long ago.

You might as well spit on the graves of the people who were massacred by the nazis (this is literally how it is seen by Europeans: people who deny the holocaust are spitting on the graves of the victims). You don't spit on the graves of dead americans troops, now do you?


When muslims make fun of Christianity and many other religions then it is OK, but when others make fun of Islam then it is no more OK : that is hypocritical

well, excuses for hypocrisies sure isn't rare! I don't deny the holocaust at all.... But to cry fould that some german thinks so out of one side of your mouth while crying like a bitch about free speech when it comes to talking shit about islam is nothing less than talking out of both sides of your mouth. FREEDOM OF SPEECH ALLOWS PEOPLE TO "SPIT ON THE GRAVES OF" WHOMEVER. do you not enjoy that same freedom HERE IN THE US? IS holocaust denial covered by OUR first amendment? IS IT A FUCKING CRIME TO TALK SHIT ABOUT DEAD AMERICAN SOLDIERS IF ONE IS SO INCLINED? ONce you answer that question HONESTLY, instead of giving the answer the kosher dick in your mouth wants you to give, then you'll be facing the double standard you represent.

I think you are trying to compare a law against free speech, with free speech.

There is no law against saying there is no holocaust. And we have every right, to tell someone that thinks there was no holocaust that they're full of crap. That's free speech.

The UN just passed a resolution that makes it illegal to speak negatively against Islam, that's taking away free speech.

au contraire.. In europe, where this "omg, they are going to outlaw criticism of islam" bullshit originates, you can't deny the holocaust without facing criminal charges. Specifically in Germany.

In AMERICA there is no law about denying the holocaust.. But thats the example I use against nutters who seem to think it's ok to talk shit on islam but SUPPORT the criminal treatment of those who deny the holocaust. You want evidence? Just say the word. There are no less than 4 examples of German "criminals" who have been raked through the coals for their speech regarding the holocaust. PLEASE ask for it. I WANT to show you how stupid you silly bastards are.

 

[Munin]

well, excuses for hypocrisies sure isn't rare! I don't deny the holocaust at all.... But to cry fould that some german thinks so out of one side of your mouth while crying like a bitch about free speech when it comes to talking shit about islam is nothing less than talking out of both sides of your mouth. FREEDOM OF SPEECH ALLOWS PEOPLE TO "SPIT ON THE GRAVES OF" WHOMEVER. do you not enjoy that same freedom HERE IN THE US? IS holocaust denial covered by OUR first amendment? IS IT A FUCKING CRIME TO TALK SHIT ABOUT DEAD AMERICAN SOLDIERS IF ONE IS SO INCLINED? ONce you answer that question HONESTLY, instead of giving the answer the kosher dick in your mouth wants you to give, then you'll be facing the double standard you represent.

Islam is a religion and it does not compare to denying genocide in Europe so your comparison makes no sense. Holocaust survivors and Nazi survivors are still alive, so the pain about that genocide in Europe is still real (not just numbers out of a historic book like with the massacres in the Roman empire). In Europe it is sensitive and Europeans don't have the same freedom of speech that americans have, so you are comparing 2 complete different things. And no in America it is no fucking crime to talk shit about dead american soldiers, but I m sure that if you talk shit about a dead soldier to his mother (that is a stranger to you) that it will not be seen as something that is "acceptable".

Religion should be criticized and even be able to be mocked at, this should be no problem. When you can not criticize or mock a religion then you are living in a religious dictatorship, I suggest you go live in one of those countries if you really want that (because there are plenty of those already: for example in pakistan it is off with your head if you throw a Qur'an in the trash).

So yes it is true, there is no complete freedom of speech in Europe. But it is still better then in the shitty muslim countries where they ll murder you if you say/do something wrong about Islam, no religion should receive immunity not even your "holy" Islam. Where do you think all the shit in muslim countries comes from? Because people can not criticize their "holy" religion that is being used by their rulers, rulers who use the word "blasphemy" as a tool of government (just like your "holy" prophet did). You seem to dumb/ignorant to even acknowledge that. Yeah sure you can mock our freedom of speech because it is hypocrite, but we will mock your religion that causes so many muslims to immigrate to our Western countries. I ll gladly choose this hypocritical freedom of speech above the immunity of a religion.

In Islam, it is ok to criticize, debate,and discuss the tenets of Islam and other religions, but why add mockery to something that is held dear by many? Because when you mock any religion, then rational, logical and reasonable debate stops and that becomes an insulting match.
In the Quran, it asks to debate and discuss but in a respectable manner. Again here is teh verse from the Quran

Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth, best who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.

Quran 16:125

The thing is that everything can be hold dear by someone, if we would grant that kind of favors to 1 religion then we would be obligated to do it with every religion. No more mocking Jesus, no more mocking extremist muslims, no more mocking extremist christians, no more ...