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Yes, thats exactly what i'm saying. It's a message being sent to civilians that we've seen any number to thug mafia organizations perform each time they want to send a message. Again, 12 dead rocketted jews vs 1000+ arab civilians. Thats an 83.33% return! After all, nothing says "there was actually a hamas sniper" quite like RECYCLING OLD FUCKING FOOTAGE!
If Hamas fires on Israeli soldiers as they are moving through the Gaza streets, those Israeli soldiers dont have time to be worrying about whos next to the men firing at them. The fact is, Hamas refuses to wear military clothing, so EVERY Hamas terrorist looks like a civilian in the first place. A military uniform is important precisely BECAUSE your civilians die when you dont use them. Any eleected government should be aware of this. Its combat 101 stuff.
Thats your fucking opinion. The next time you see a swat team take out a bank robber by blowing up 4 square city blocks "because they don't have time to be worrying about who is next to the men firing at them" then get back to me.
The FACT is that this was a fucking fired round from a safe distance so it's not as if Shlomo the IDF soldier was anywhere near the fucking explosion when the civilian ate the big one. So, spare me this "israelis were going to die if those kids were not blown up" shit. Blaming a lack of uniform only conveys the incompetence you want so despreately to make excuses for. AGAIN, we didn't go evict Manuel Noriega by destroying fucking Panama. We don't take out entire fucking border towns because Drug Lord men refuse to wear fucking matching pants and shirts. What makes civilians die are the unrepentant lack of empathy you people are capable of while it's not YOUR civilains being blown to shit. If you can't differentiate then it's not a green light to go massacre a fucking village, mr my lai.
What are your thoughts about countries indescriminately firing rockets into neighboring countries civilian populations? Is this humane tactic under any circumstance or are there situations when its ok to try and kill innocent civilians?
It's no less inhumane than any standard CIA operation meant to rouse civilian unrest. It's no more barbaric than guerrilla warfare in general. Especially when we ARE talking about a ****** class of refugees that have been marginalized and disregarded by jew-fest '64. Tell me, if you were in their shoes and China or Russia had captured YOUR state and kept you in what amounts to a giant concentration camp where YOUR family becomes bomb fodder for zionism would YOU fire a fucking rocket at what you percieve as YOUR occupiers? Are you going to get your Red Dawn on or are you going to be complacent for 60 fucking years while your family becomes nothing more than target practice? Again, YOU are crying foul over 12 fucking dead jews. 12. All the while, 1000+, HALF OF WHICH were fucking TODDLERS and other assorted civilians, get to eat bomb because YOU dont' like what... ROCKETS? So, you rationalize BOMBS THAT KILL A THOUSAND... But 12 dead jews killed by rockets over the last 15 fucking years is a fucking no no? Hell, you don't even CARE about what impact that jewish settlers Usurping MORE pali land has on this cycle, do you? Not enough to give a fuck that jewish settlers were STILL a fucking rampant problem even in Dec. 08? You want to see video of how IDF and jewish squatters treat arabs? It's a bit more tangible than screaming antisemite but...
What do you think about soldiers who refuse to wear uniforms, even while fighting in their own civilians neighborhoods? What reason can you think of for a modern day military, to NOT use uniforms, especially when they are going to be fighting in and around civilian populations? What do YOU think was Hamas's motivation for doing this?
oh, so you want uniforms on people who can BARELY survive without israel flipping a switch and ALLOWING access to resources? Does Palestine strike you as the next fucking Dubai? All you offer are excuses. Again, we don't shoot at a fucking crowd of civilians on the OFF chance that we may kill an ununiformed militant. Hell, with that standard it's no wonder you people call anyone old enough to hold a rock a fucking terrorist.
When did Pali GET a fucking modern military? Do you not see how laughable that question is when the prime weapons of arabs are ROCKS and joke rockets? Say it with me: 12 dead jews in 15 fucking years. If your gun had that kind of kill ratio do you feel you'd need a goddamn nuclear explosion to offer rebuttal in combat? Gimme a fucking break.
I think Hamas is doing what every other clandestine military operation is doing: doing the best they can with what they have. If they had the same tanks that israel has and the same planes that israel has you wouldn't see a single suicide bomber. But, as it is, This is no different than natives taking bows and arrows against white man flintlock guns. No different than South Afrikaners being blown up by none other than Nelson fucking Mandela.
We all know how much you hate Israel, and we know how much you hate it when they kill innocent Palestinian civilians, but id like to hear your thoughts on Hamas's actions. Certainly you cant agree with EVERYTHING theyve done up to this point, can you? Do you have ANY critiques for them?
Thats where you are wrong. I don't hate israel at all. No more than I hate Germany or South Africa. I can make a distinction between israeli JEWS and israeli ZIONISTS. Ironically, those who scream antisemite are often the ones who think thal all muslims leaped out of a pussy with a bomb in one hand and a hatred of jews in the other. If Israel were to become a pluralistic nation where democracy and equality trump the new master race bullshit then I'd be content as a peach. However, by making excuses for the dominantion of jews over arabs in israel you do nothing more than cause the NELSON MANDELAs of palestine to see that their only options are rockets. Hamas is nothing more than a cultural reaction to being marginalized as a people. I don't condone rockets or bombs, but I don't pretend that they are merely the product of "evil" rather than a social reaction to the very real nature of the creation of israel. We saw the same goddamn thing when INDIANS decided to scalp fucking white people who were too busy jacking off tho manifest destiny to consider how the NATIVES might feel about being kicked off of their fucking land. I don't condone scalping.. But then, I also don't make excuses for the nature of our westward expansion either. And, I'm quite sure you would be reacting the same fucking way were you not sitting comfy behind a computer screen and were, instead, being rationalized as a terrorist worth killing because a jew wants to take your land. Ironically, we see the same "only good arab is a dead arab" language popping up in israel yet you people INSIST 12 dead fucking jews over 15 years makes ISRAEL the victim here while you can see nothing less than a modern trail of tears happen before your very fucking eyes.
You see, i have a feeling that you put lower expectations on the Palestinian because they are the underdog, and they are muslim like you. I think that you would expect more from the US then you would of Hamas. I also think you expect a higher standard from Israel then you do with Hamas.
I'm atheist as hell so you might want to change the batteries in your crystal ball. And, given which group HAS THE FUCKING TANKS and CLAIMS to be a western nation and WAS carved out of palestine land, yes. I have a igh standard for israel. Call it a price that must be paid for their helluva steal on a brand new western backed "cant do no wrong" nation. do YOU have a higher standard for the US than you do fucking Saddams Iraq? If so, then whats your fucking point?
From time to time, ill make statments like "who cares, they are only palestinians, they elected those terrorists", but that doesnt mean i always mean what i say. Sometimes, im simply showing the Hamas supporters that civilian casualties arent going to be enough to stop the Israeli supporters from backing them up when they fight terrorists. Personally, i think its fucking horrible when civilians die (duh, of course), especially when you see the chidren that were injured and killed in Gaza, and the pictures ive seen are heart wrenching i have to admit, but when you are fighting terrorists, there will always be civilian casualties, because civilian deaths is their bread and butter.
I applaud your effort in empathy but I think you are still stretching too far to allow for that trusty blank check excuse. You can't blame civilian casualties on the ones who have only killed 12 civilians while israel is off launching fucking phosphorus weapons on residential neighborhoods. This is why, and you remember this post, this little excercise in social domination won't end the rockets. They won't end anything, really. All this will achieve is making people like you MORE LIKELY to accept the wholescale extermination of palestine rather than *gasp* hold israel accountable for their racist state policies. We Americans wouldn't treat any of our minority groups like israel treats arabs and we SURE AS FUCK won't insist that a dominant ethnicity, white people, remain dominant with tailored policies and i porting white people. Blaming arabs for reacting to your rationalization keeping them as israels ****** class doesn't change the fact that they ARE israels ****** class.
If there is ANY incident where an Israeli soldier purposely fired upon an innocent civilian, with the intent to kill that civilian, that Israeli soldier should go to prison for the rest of his life. Hell, as far as im concerned, he should be shot dead on the spot by his fellow soldiers. THAT is my position on ANY Israeli crimes, but i wonder Shogun, what is your position on Hamas crimes? Do you hold them responsible for any wrong doing, or are they free to use any tactic whatsoever?
I would convict any arab rocketeer that was arrested. Yay. You get 12 arabs. Now, are you going to arrest any IDF soldier that kills an arab civilian? Of course not. You don't call the same actions taken by jews the same thing you call an arab doing the same damn thing. THIS is the core of the conflict. You don't hold equality above the zionist agenda. agian, when the US stopped letting peopel like the killers of Emmet Till go then blacks in the US stopped rioting. When we allowed them to go to college on par with whites then they stopped burning buildings. When we acquit cops for beating the shit out of a black man despite captured footage what happened? I'll tell you what DIDNT happen: we DIDNT go into LA with fucking tanks and blame ******* for rioting while culling the fucking heard with goddamn cluster bombs. I'll tell you what, YOU get israel to put jews on par with arabs and watch as 12 more jews dont have to become the excuse used to kill 1k+ arab civilians.
These are honest questions...if you want to, you can answer them calmly and honestly. Id love to hear your answers Shogun, if they are honest answers.
I always answer honestly. Perhaps you may not like my vocabulary but such is life.
Trust me, dude.. IM not the one who is clearly hellbent on whitewashing away any criticism. You've YET to make any fucking statement about dead arabs that isn't paired with an excuse for isreal. ESPECIALLY since we both know goddamn well that AMERICA would not exterminate mexicans because a drug lord is shooting from a fucking mexican ghetto. By all means, line up your silly little Scarlet A, bitch. If thats all you got then you are nothing more than another Served Zionist looking for nothing less than a blank check for israel to kill off arabs. If you think YOU are "right" by crying over 12 dead jews while justifying 1k+ dead arabs then the joke is on you, motherfucker.
