UK scientist: Sun controls earth's climate

[liebuster]

Who would have thought???

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkzNmWlCig8&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

 

[ScienceRocks]

Well most of the energy/heat does come from the sun, so it is very true. Also the orbit of the earth around the sun can have a huge effect, but solar output is GOING FUCKING DOWN. So global temperatures should be going down into a a cooling pattern. We will just have to wait and see around 2015 to see how that turns out.

 

[Old Rocks]

Yes, it is cold in the Northeast of the US and in Europe. Yet, Hudson's Bay has only a 2/3 rds ice cover. And there is little ice in the Baltic. Hardly any ice north of Norway.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/NEWIMAGES/arctic.seaice.color.000.png

And the ice overall is lagging

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yes, it is cold in the Northeast of the US and in Europe. Yet, Hudson's Bay has only a 2/3 rds ice cover. And there is little ice in the Baltic. Hardly any ice north of Norway.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/NEWIMAGES/arctic.seaice.color.000.png

And the ice overall is lagging

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png

How come you don't post record cold and snow as further evidence of "ManMade Global Warming"?

You keep saying these cold anomalies are to be expected as a result of "ManMade Global Warming" you should be consistent and post these things, no?

"Wow, the Sun affects Earth's climate, I never even though of that" -- Prominent Warmer Scientist

 

[Mini 14]

The arrogance and ignorance of human beings never ceases to amaze me.

To think that the activity of the Sun can be accurately measured over a period of even 100 years is laughable. In terms of the Sun, that is a fraction of a fraction of a nanosecond. To believe that we understand anything beyond the most basic observations of the Sun is arrogant and naive.

The only thing we know definitely about the Sun is that it will explode one day, wiping out Earth (if its still here) and everything else in the solar system. Everything else we have, all the data, all the hypotheses, all the "science," is nothing more than baseline data. There is nothing to compare it to. We don't understand it, we cannot control it, and so we run screaming into the streets that the sky is falling and its all our fault.

Its going to explode. It will wipe out humanity. It is warm and bright, and we circle around it every 365 days or so.

And that is truly the only things we know definitely about the Sun, or ever will in the next 10,000 years (still not enough time to gather useful data about an energy source as awesome as a star, even one as small as the Sun).

Get the fuck over it.

 

[editec]

Well the sun certainly dominates earth's climate.

But it's not the only thing effecting it.

Life has been helping to change earth's atmosphere and climate for billions of years, folks.

Wake up and smell the science

 

[Old Rocks]

The arrogance and ignorance of human beings never ceases to amaze me.

To think that the activity of the Sun can be accurately measured over a period of even 100 years is laughable. In terms of the Sun, that is a fraction of a fraction of a nanosecond. To believe that we understand anything beyond the most basic observations of the Sun is arrogant and naive.

The only thing we know definitely about the Sun is that it will explode one day, wiping out Earth (if its still here) and everything else in the solar system. Everything else we have, all the data, all the hypotheses, all the "science," is nothing more than baseline data. There is nothing to compare it to. We don't understand it, we cannot control it, and so we run screaming into the streets that the sky is falling and its all our fault.

Its going to explode. It will wipe out humanity. It is warm and bright, and we circle around it every 365 days or so.

And that is truly the only things we know definitely about the Sun, or ever will in the next 10,000 years (still not enough time to gather useful data about an energy source as awesome as a star, even one as small as the Sun).

Get the fuck over it.

Why don't you get the fuck over being such an ignorant ass?

 

[Mini 14]

The arrogance and ignorance of human beings never ceases to amaze me.

To think that the activity of the Sun can be accurately measured over a period of even 100 years is laughable. In terms of the Sun, that is a fraction of a fraction of a nanosecond. To believe that we understand anything beyond the most basic observations of the Sun is arrogant and naive.

The only thing we know definitely about the Sun is that it will explode one day, wiping out Earth (if its still here) and everything else in the solar system. Everything else we have, all the data, all the hypotheses, all the "science," is nothing more than baseline data. There is nothing to compare it to. We don't understand it, we cannot control it, and so we run screaming into the streets that the sky is falling and its all our fault.

Its going to explode. It will wipe out humanity. It is warm and bright, and we circle around it every 365 days or so.

And that is truly the only things we know definitely about the Sun, or ever will in the next 10,000 years (still not enough time to gather useful data about an energy source as awesome as a star, even one as small as the Sun).

Get the fuck over it.

Why don't you get the fuck over being such an ignorant ass?

How so Rocks?

Let me ask you a question.....

How close are we to the "surface" of the Sun, relative to this exact date, last year?

The answer is indisputable, yet there is no way to measure it.

Are we closer, farther, or the same distance from our star as we were in this exact position last year (or any other year, for that matter)?

 

[mdn2000]

Well the sun certainly dominates earth's climate.

But it's not the only thing effecting it.

Life has been helping to change earth's atmosphere and climate for billions of years, folks.

Wake up and smell the science

Thanked by Old Crock, I can think of nothing more insulting

 

[mdn2000]

The arrogance and ignorance of human beings never ceases to amaze me.

To think that the activity of the Sun can be accurately measured over a period of even 100 years is laughable. In terms of the Sun, that is a fraction of a fraction of a nanosecond. To believe that we understand anything beyond the most basic observations of the Sun is arrogant and naive.

The only thing we know definitely about the Sun is that it will explode one day, wiping out Earth (if its still here) and everything else in the solar system. Everything else we have, all the data, all the hypotheses, all the "science," is nothing more than baseline data. There is nothing to compare it to. We don't understand it, we cannot control it, and so we run screaming into the streets that the sky is falling and its all our fault.

Its going to explode. It will wipe out humanity. It is warm and bright, and we circle around it every 365 days or so.

And that is truly the only things we know definitely about the Sun, or ever will in the next 10,000 years (still not enough time to gather useful data about an energy source as awesome as a star, even one as small as the Sun).

Get the fuck over it.

Why don't you get the fuck over being such an ignorant ass?

How so Rocks?

Let me ask you a question.....

How close are we to the "surface" of the Sun, relative to this exact date, last year?

The answer is indisputable, yet there is no way to measure it.

Are we closer, farther, or the same distance from our star as we were in this exact position last year (or any other year, for that matter)?

Thats an easy one for Old Crock, based on Old Crock's distance from the Glacier he sees every morning he will be able to calculate the residing shadow and come up with a link that in indisputable.

 

[Mini 14]

Thats an easy one for Old Crock, based on Old Crock's distance from the Glacier he sees every morning he will be able to calculate the residing shadow and come up with a link that in indisputable.

I suspect he knows the answer, but it isn't a convenient one for his expertise in global warming, or omniscience of all things scientific

 

[liebuster]

Wow we got some believers here.

The earth warms and the earth cools. Been doing so for millions of years.
Nobody is disputing the the earth was warming during the 90s but we dispute the cause of it.

What took the world out of the ice age?
What took the world out of the mini ice age in the 17th century?

I don't think there were tanks, hummers, and jet airplanes in the civil war folks


The fact is the man made global warming is the biggest fraud on the human race in the last 100 years if not the entire existince of human history. Its about gaining more power and control, and nothing more.

 

[Old Rocks]

You silly simpletons. As far back as 1820, Joseph Fourier calculated the amount of sunlight that the Earth recieves, its abedo, and concluded that something in the atmosphere was absorbing the outgoing energy, because by the albedo, the Earth should be much colder.

Tynndal mapped the absorbtion spectra in 1858 of the primary GHGs, water vapor, carbon dioxide, and methane.

While the sun controls the amount of energy the Earth recieves, the Abedo and the GHGs determine how much of that energy remains on the surface and in the atmosphere and oceans of the Earth.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

And to this day there is not one single repeatable laboratory experiment that shows how a 200PPM increase in CO2 raises temperature.

 

[westwall]

Well the sun certainly dominates earth's climate.

But it's not the only thing effecting it.

Life has been helping to change earth's atmosphere and climate for billions of years, folks.

Wake up and smell the science

Yes that is true, however it took BILLIONS of years to do it. Not some paltry 200 years. Ask yourself ed, why is it that we are even arguing about the climate if what they say is true? If what they say is true there should be ZERO doubt. The climate should be warm, millions of critters worldwide should not have died last year and this year OF COLD, it should be evident to anyone looking at a thermometer that the world is warming up.

Instead we have every temp record on the planet being falsified by the true believers, and a single volcanic eruption (which shouldn't be able to do ANYTHING because everyone knows man is so much more polluting than a pesky old volcano, yet that volcanic eruption has an immediate, measurable, impact on the weather.

Why is that?

 

[ScienceRocks]

Well the sun certainly dominates earth's climate.

But it's not the only thing effecting it.

Life has been helping to change earth's atmosphere and climate for billions of years, folks.

Wake up and smell the science

Yes that is true, however it took BILLIONS of years to do it. Not some paltry 200 years. Ask yourself ed, why is it that we are even arguing about the climate if what they say is true? If what they say is true there should be ZERO doubt. The climate should be warm, millions of critters worldwide should not have died last year and this year OF COLD, it should be evident to anyone looking at a thermometer that the world is warming up.

Instead we have every temp record on the planet being falsified by the true believers, and a single volcanic eruption (which shouldn't be able to do ANYTHING because everyone knows man is so much more polluting than a pesky old volcano, yet that volcanic eruption has an immediate, measurable, impact on the weather.

Why is that?

the gases cause the earth temperature to decline because they increase the albedo of the earth. The amount of co2 is tiny.
Volcano - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Large, explosive volcanic eruptions inject water vapor (H2O), carbon dioxide (CO2), sulfur dioxide (SO2), hydrogen chloride (HCl), hydrogen fluoride (HF) and ash (pulverized rock and pumice) into the stratosphere to heights of 16–32 kilometres (10–20 mi) above the Earth's surface. The most significant impacts from these injections come from the conversion of sulfur dioxide to sulfuric acid (H2SO4), which condenses rapidly in the stratosphere to form fine sulfate aerosols. The aerosols increase the Earth's albedo—its reflection of radiation from the Sun back into space – and thus cool the Earth's lower atmosphere or troposphere; however, they also absorb heat radiated up from the Earth, thereby warming the stratosphere. Several eruptions during the past century have caused a decline in the average temperature at the Earth's surface of up to half a degree (Fahrenheit scale) for periods of one to three years — sulfur dioxide from the eruption of Huaynaputina probably caused the Russian famine of 1601 - 1603.[11]

The solid Earth contains a huge quantity of carbon, far more than scientists estimate is present in the atmosphere or oceans. As an important part of the global carbon cycle, some of this carbon is slowly released from the rocks in the form of carbon dioxide, through vents at volcanoes and hot springs. Published reviews of the scientific literature by Moerner and Etiope (2002) and Kerrick (2001) report a minimum-maximum range of emission of 65 to 319 million tonnes of CO2 per year. Counter claims that volcanoes, especially submarine volcanoes, produce vastly greater amounts of CO2 than these estimates are not supported by any papers published by the scientists who study the subject.

The burning of fossil fuels and changes in land use results in the emission into the atmosphere of approximately 30 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide per year worldwide, according to the EIA. The fossil fuels emissions numbers are about 100 times bigger than even the maximum estimated volcanic CO2 fluxes. Our understanding of volcanic discharges would have to be shown to be very mistaken before volcanic CO2 discharges could be considered anything but a bit player in contributing to the recent changes observed in the concentration of CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere.

EARTH Magazine: Voices: Volcanic versus anthropogenic carbon dioxide: The missing science

http://www.skepticalscience.com/volcanoes-and-global-warming.htm

West, temperatures are not going to warm evenly and the arctic is going to warm two to three times as fast as the tropics. The troposphere is going to warm and the stratosphere is going to go down. Volcanoes are going to produce gases that reflect the energy back into space and decline the temperature of the earth. Remember more extremes are caused within a climate pattern that quickly changes until it can balance it self out.

 

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[liebuster]

You silly simpletons. As far back as 1820, Joseph Fourier calculated the amount of sunlight that the Earth recieves, its abedo, and concluded that something in the atmosphere was absorbing the outgoing energy, because by the albedo, the Earth should be much colder.

Tynndal mapped the absorbtion spectra in 1858 of the primary GHGs, water vapor, carbon dioxide, and methane.

While the sun controls the amount of energy the Earth recieves, the Abedo and the GHGs determine how much of that energy remains on the surface and in the atmosphere and oceans of the Earth.

Joseph Fourier was right. There are green house gases like water vapor(clouds) for instance.

What you fail to understand is the man caused global warming is a farce to create a world government. I know it sounds conspiratorial but its just another brick in the wall towards a world governance.

One of the biggest pieces of evidence is the earth appears to be cooling for the last 10 years or so and yet the CO2 emmissions are not declining. Even the East Anglia Climate Alarmists scientists admit that and call it "a travesty" that the temps are declining.

East Anglia Confirmed Emails from the Climate Research Unit - Searchable

Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,
Once Tim's got a diagram here we'll send that either later today or
first thing tomorrow.
I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from
1961 for Keith's to hide the decline. Mike's series got the annual
land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land
N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999
for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with
data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998.
Thanks for the comments, Ray.

University of East Anglia emails: the most contentious quotes - Telegraph

"The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't... Our observing system is inadequate"

Try actualy reading some scientists' emails someday. You won't come across as such an ignoramous

 

[ScienceRocks]

You silly simpletons. As far back as 1820, Joseph Fourier calculated the amount of sunlight that the Earth recieves, its abedo, and concluded that something in the atmosphere was absorbing the outgoing energy, because by the albedo, the Earth should be much colder.

Tynndal mapped the absorbtion spectra in 1858 of the primary GHGs, water vapor, carbon dioxide, and methane.

While the sun controls the amount of energy the Earth recieves, the Abedo and the GHGs determine how much of that energy remains on the surface and in the atmosphere and oceans of the Earth.

Joseph Fourier was right. There are green house gases like water vapor(clouds) for instance.

What you fail to understand is the man caused global warming is a farce to create a world government. I know it sounds conspiratorial but its just another brick in the wall towards a world governance.

One of the biggest pieces of evidence is the earth appears to be cooling for the last 10 years or so and yet the CO2 emmissions are not declining. Even the East Anglia Climate Alarmists scientists admit that and call it "a travesty" that the temps are declining.

East Anglia Confirmed Emails from the Climate Research Unit - Searchable

Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,
Once Tim's got a diagram here we'll send that either later today or
first thing tomorrow.
I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from
1961 for Keith's to hide the decline. Mike's series got the annual
land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land
N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999
for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with
data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998.
Thanks for the comments, Ray.

University of East Anglia emails: the most contentious quotes - Telegraph

"The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't... Our observing system is inadequate"

Try actualy reading some scientists' emails someday. You won't come across as such an ignoramous

based on the algebra the temperature of the past twenty years is warming at near .015/years. Even so the raise has stopped raising over the 10 years from 1998-2009. The avg is raising...But could start to decrease greatly if we don't get any number one years soon.

If you believe in the giss and noaa they have 2005 and the giss has 2007 and 2009 has 2nd and third...So maybe a some upward trend. I expect the next nino year that don't go over to a super nina most ikey fuck the record by .08c above 1998 or 2005. In we have our idea of just how much warming has occurred...

The second one is about the ocean and them not having the tech to find the heat.

 

[liebuster]

Like I said. I don't dispute that the earth warms and also cools. It may very well be warming for the last 10 years as well. I personally have read articles that the earth is in a cooling trend for the last 10 years and other articles that say that the earth is warming.

Somehow I just don't believe that the increase of CO2 going from .0330000% to .0330924% is going to kill off species, create "climate change refugees" and destroy the earth.