UK Moves to Deny Surgery to Smokers

[Shogun]

maybe you should move to a locale where you can smoke as much as you want, anywhere you want, anytime you want... or maybe you should run for office in the town where you live so you can foist your addictive personality disorder on others...

good luck with that...

and what exactly does gay lifestyle have to do with tobacco addiction? Are you gay as well as a tobacco addict?

are you too dense to see how the exact same logic could be used to marginalize other groups liek you seem to want to do with smokers? Cant put a few neirons together long enough to see how the EXACT SAME thing can be applied to gays? An opinion on a legal lifesyle that MANY don't consider healthy enough for their risk standard? Im not gay.. but I AM willing to look a few moves ahead in this little chess game.

again, this is one of the issues that remind me that stupidity is not a monopoly of the right.

 

[Annie]

You said you run a bar... so it's obvious that you aren't a teetotaler... maybe you should sell your bar and move to a locale that isn't catering to those that don't smoke...

have fun, black lunger...

Two problems. If one owns a bar, they must drink. Wrong.

That the owner has black lung, as that's a mining disease, unlikely. I'd assume you were being facetious, but there is nothing in the post to suggest that.

 

[Shogun]

please go back and find where I endorsed any specific level of risk management for health care.

(and the 90 year old needing a heart transplant was a hypothetical example and not an endorsement of any denial of treatment for the old geezer)

did you just slip in the word SPECIFIC?

hehehe...

 

[TheStripey1]

the next contraband:

Ive noticed that those who hate smoking are usually all about legalizing marijuana. makes no sense at all.

I say legalize pot, let the smokers smoke where they choose to congregate..

and let the gays, smokers and lard asses have the privacy needed to get medical tretment...


shit... if this where about an abortion we'd be all about crying about privacy rights..

You are free to kill yourself smoking should that be what you wish to do. Have at it. No one is trying to stop you. Be my guest.

But if you are living IN ENGLAND and need an operation, you will have to stop smoking to get it. IF you were dying and it was your only chance for survival, would you quit for that month and then get the operation or say screw it full speed ahead smoking all the way until your last dying day?

 

[Shogun]

You said you run a bar... so it's obvious that you aren't a teetotaler... maybe you should sell your bar and move to a locale that isn't catering to those that don't smoke...

have fun, black lunger...

trust me.. every pink lunger bitch I can escort out the door while I still have the right to refuse service makes it three shades of fun.


Id vote to ban alcohol today just to watch the pink lunger bitches all of a sudden cry, en masse, about liberty and freedom and their RIGHT to drink in public.

 

[TheStripey1]

apparently you do while supporting tobacco bans as if they were gods gift to politics.


I guess the gays and fat people can just move to a location that accepts them too, right?


pregnant rape victim is just shit outa luck and better catch a ride to san fran, eh?

If you want to kill yourself and make tobacco execs rich while you do it, it is your choice. Go for it.

As far as I know, there are no such restrictions on fat or gay people in England getting operations. If it concerns you so much, why don't you write them and ask them why they haven't made those people change their lifestyles.

what the fuck does a pregnant rape victim have to do with your inability to say no to tobacco for 30 days prior to an operation?

 

[TheStripey1]

cool, outlaw both. Which is enforceable? Which Is not? Which is more important?

would you like a straw man photo to go with this? ala carte?

 

[Shogun]

If you want to kill yourself and make tobacco execs rich while you do it, it is your choice. Go for it.

As far as I know, there are no such restrictions on fat or gay people in England getting operations. If it concerns you so much, why don't you write them and ask them why they haven't made those people change their lifestyles.

what the fuck does a pregnant rape victim have to do with your inability to say no to tobacco for 30 days prior to an operation?

it has to do with lame assed personal opinion that are applied to marginalize a segment of the population just because some group of assholes cant stand a particular behaviour..

like smoking.

and buttfucking.

and premerital sex.

is that lightbulb sparking yet?

 

[TheStripey1]

indeed... lets have another decade of prohibition...

would you care to apply the same standard to alcohol served in public so that 18 THOUSAND per year can live instead of becoming brain jelly on the road?

ps...


projected estimates are HARDLY worth stripping away liberty.

No one is saying YOU can't smoke yourself into an early grave... au contraire... go for it... I don't care...

just don't do it around me...

they already tried alcohol prohibition... it failed... why do want to try it again?

 

[TheStripey1]

Right. I'm all for outlawing smoking, drugs, alcohol, prayers, etc. Anything that is a crutch. Damn them all.

laffs... first you wanted freedom now you want prohibition...



no one is saying that smoking should be outlawed... even in England... all they are saying is that if you want an operation there, you will have to quit smoking for a month to get it...

If you were dying of this or that and were told you had the option of stopping smoking for a month so you could be operated on or dying while you smoked, which would you choose?

 

[TheStripey1]

are you too dense to see how the exact same logic could be used to marginalize other groups liek you seem to want to do with smokers? Cant put a few neirons together long enough to see how the EXACT SAME thing can be applied to gays? An opinion on a legal lifesyle that MANY don't consider healthy enough for their risk standard? Im not gay.. but I AM willing to look a few moves ahead in this little chess game.

again, this is one of the issues that remind me that stupidity is not a monopoly of the right.

uhhh... are those typoes or are you seriously impaired when it comes to spelling... maybe it has to do with your black lung lifestyle...

no one is saying you can't kill yourself smoking... the english are saying that if you want to get an operation there, you will stop for 30 days or you won't be getting one there... which would you choose? quit smoking for 30 days and live or not and die?

what does the gay lifestyle have to do with the topic? nothing.

would YOU like a straw man photo to go with your arguement too? I have a nifty one somewhere...

 

[TheStripey1]

Two problems. If one owns a bar, they must drink. Wrong.

That the owner has black lung, as that's a mining disease, unlikely. I'd assume you were being facetious, but there is nothing in the post to suggest that.

black lung and pink lung... cmon, kathianne, you're usually sharper than this...

 

[TheStripey1]

trust me.. every pink lunger bitch I can escort out the door while I still have the right to refuse service makes it three shades of fun.


Id vote to ban alcohol today just to watch the pink lunger bitches all of a sudden cry, en masse, about liberty and freedom and their RIGHT to drink in public.

every black lunger moron that slips into their grave coughing their lungs out is fine by me... be my guest...

laffs...

I can drink better booze at home than I can by patronizing a dive like yours...

and I do... do you serve Pyrat XO Reserve in your bar? as that's what I drink here at Chez Stripey...

 

[Annie]

black lung and pink lung... cmon, kathianne, you're usually sharper than this...

Back at you. You are assuming that second hand smoke results in black lung. Give me a break, never in question-only miners. On the other hand, lung cancer? Jury is more than out. No coorelation, just assumptions. Got something? Post it.

In the meantime, governments at various levels have already passed laws, coming into enforcement in the future. In Illinois, it's January. For my friends/associates, (about 50), we are making plans for alternating homes, splitting the costs of booze and food.Good bye restaurants at $6.25 per glass of merlot.

 

[maineman]

did you just slip in the word SPECIFIC?

hehehe...

no..I endorse the concept of risk management in healthcare. I do not think that heroic measures ought to be taken or costly procedures undertaken on otherwise terminally ill patients, for example.

 

[TheStripey1]

it has to do with lame assed personal opinion that are applied to marginalize a segment of the population just because some group of assholes cant stand a particular behaviour..

like smoking.

and buttfucking.

and premerital sex.

is that lightbulb sparking yet?

Take it up with the english moron, no one is telling you that YOU have to stop smoking here... if you want to kill yourself smoking... be my guest, go for it... if you want to engage in anal sex... be my guest, go for it... if you want to engage in premarital sex... be my guest, go for it...

No one is trying to tell you to stop anything UNLESS of course you want an operation in ENGLAND...

is there even a light bulb over there where ever the hell it is you are?

I don't think so...

 

[TheStripey1]

Back at you. You are assuming that second hand smoke results in black lung. Give me a break, never in question-only miners. On the other hand, lung cancer? Jury is more than out. No coorelation, just assumptions. Got something? Post it.

In the meantime, governments at various levels have already passed laws, coming into enforcement in the future. In Illinois, it's January. For my friends/associates, (about 50), we are making plans for alternating homes, splitting the costs of booze and food.Good bye restaurants at $6.25 per glass of merlot.

no I'm not... it's a play on his pink lunger BS... like I said, you're usually sharper than this... that IS a compliment by the way...

$6.25 for a glass of merlot? yikes... there's another good reason for drinking at home... better booze for less and since you're there, you don't have to worry about driving home drunk...

 

[Annie]

no..I endorse the concept of risk management in healthcare. I do not think that heroic measures ought to be taken or costly procedures undertaken on otherwise terminally ill patients, for example.

You are speaking my language. My dad has a living will regarding such. So do I. While my dad says 'no extraordinary means', mine says, 'none that will not give a reasonable chance of normal existence, without extraordinary care.' In both cases, we are looking out for the coming generations. My dad has some issues, but none that are extraordinary. I hope I don't in the future, but if I did, I've made it clear that whenever something will end my life, naturally, I'll take that.

 

[Annie]

black lung and pink lung... cmon, kathianne, you're usually sharper than this...

Seriously Stripey, from this post I'm lost. I'm not that sharp.

 

[TheStripey1]

Seriously Stripey, from this post I'm lost. I'm not that sharp.

Sure you are... and I have confidence that you will "get it" after this explanation:

shogun has been calling non-smokers, i.e., me, pink lungers so I am calling him, the smoker, a black lunger... see? simple...

and obtw, I found that straw man photo... this is a gift for you and shogun... I got it from a poster on that other board I invited you to visit from that other board where we first met...

use it wisely...