UK and the Mega Mosque

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  1. Annie
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    Where is the tolerance? :arrow:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/w...97a747ae9d88dd&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

     
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    I have no idea what made you think the countries that brought us german fascism, french gaullism, and british imperialism, would be melting pots of racial tolerance. One of the europeans flaws is overt xenophobia.

    For all our flaws, that's one of the greatest things about the united states: tolerance, diversity, and a melting pot of talent and cultures. Muslim immigrants here are generally welcomed, and thrive, with the exception of overt hostility from hard core republicans.
     
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    That and apparently an amazing ability to apply out of date stereotypical generalisations to current affairs.
     
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    For what it's worth, a liberal English lady I was out with recently worried that her country was "sleepwalking" into a big problem with all the Muslims.

    "I have no idea what made you think the countries that brought us german fascism, french gaullism, and british imperialism, would be melting pots of racial tolerance. One of the europeans flaws is overt xenophobia.

    For all our flaws, that's one of the greatest things about the united states: tolerance, diversity, and a melting pot of talent and cultures. Muslim immigrants here are generally welcomed, and thrive, with the exception of overt hostility from hard core republicans."

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    Wow. That has to be one of the most dumbly glib posts I've seen in a while. It manages to ovelook America's history of slavery and Indian genocide (to echo the left) and Europe's total absence of either, and manages to, as tb notes, engage in a stereotype of its own and rally that neocon brand of stupidity. Europe is pretty pathetically left/socialist compared to the U.S. on many issues, and the UK more "politically correct" than the US, if that's even possible, on race. From the right, it overlooks the fact that Muslims are responsible for deadly acts of terrorism that have not struck Europe with nearly the same force. From the white nationalist perspective, it overlooks the fact that no nation is really a "melting pot" in which races all get along.

    Gee, what's missing?
     
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    The article you referenced makes a fairly strong point about it being a Christian (a Mr Alan Craig) who is leading the protests. I'm guessing this is what prompted your tolerence question. But it may interest you to know that others have had concerns about it for a lot longer, as shown by this article in The Times (London, not New York) from November 27 last year.


     
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    Please. This is just embarrasing. Its entirely simple-minded to think that just because europe (like the rest of the developed planet) has universal healthcare and generous social welfare benefits, that they are some sort of PC model of multiculturalism and melting pot cultures.

    Compared to europe, the united states is a shining example of a melting pot society. Muslim immigrants here are largely successful and welcome. Many of them are doctors, engineers, nurses, and small business euntrepeneurs. Everyone understands that compared to most of the rest of the world, the united states is very tolerant of ethnic and religious diversity.

    Muslims in many european countries live in ghettos, and outside the mainstream of the european economy. You're dreaming if you think european universal healthcare is a reflection of some PC utopian culture.
     
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    You've painted a clear juxtaposition here. I would seem that from this you mean to infer that in the United States the majority of muslims are successful professionals, while in Europe the majority are living in isolated ghettos. And your basis for this observation would be....what? I'm hoping you'll provide something substantive (perhaps with a link) rather than another "Everybody knows....".
     
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    Europeans engaged in the slave trade for hundreds, indeed thousands of years, and Europe's history of genocide remains unchallenged to this day.
     
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    Why do you hate america? Must I continue to defend america here. :rofl:

    If you are unaware of the muslim ghettos, and muslim riots in France, then its not up to me to educate you about the ghettoization and marginalization of many muslims in europe.

    By contrast, we are a society that largely accepts and is tolerant of legal immigranst from every corner of the planet. Naturalized muslim americans have thrived here. Many of them are professionals or small business euntrepeneurs. I would wager that they are one of the most peaceful and law-abiding immigration demographics in the country. Hello? Russian Mafia? Mexican Mafia? Italian Mafia? When's the last time you heard of naturalized muslim american citizens engaging in large scale organized crime, or car jackings? The answer: you haven't.
     
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    My bad. I thought I was on the 'Current Events' board.
     

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