Uh...too late

[initforme]

Ray what is your issue with the great lakes legacy act? Cleaning up contaminated sediments caused from polluting I industry is bad I guess. Let's get back to the days the Ohio river was on fire.

 

[Slade3200]

The left became extremely radicalized over the past 20 years. That’s why Republicans hold the White House, the House, the Senate, and 33 of the 50 states. Ole Dick Durbin here is a day late and a dollar short in his “warning”.

Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin (D., Ill.) said in a radio interview on Sunday that Democrats can lose to President Donald Trump in 2020 if they "overdo it" by becoming too liberal.

Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate 55 year old cross-dressing male sexual deviants showering with their 14 year old daughters. Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate socialism. Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate their constitutional rights being stripped from them. Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate fascism. The left became “too liberal” a long time ago.

Senate Minority Whip Cautions Dems About 'Overdoing It' by Being Too Liberal

Prior to Obama and his two term presidency, did the country go too far to the Right during the Bush years?

Too far right, in what way?

You mean by Bush's EPA forcing diesel fuel makers to create low sulfur diesel fuel for trucks that sprung diesel prices way past gasoline prices?

Too far right by creating one of the largest entitlements of it's time called Medicare Part D?

Too far right by the eventual elimination of incandescent light bulbs?

Too far right by buddying up with Ted Kennedy to create No Child Left Behind?

Too far right by signing the Great Lakes Legacy Act?

Too far right by legislating oil companies invest in renewable energy?

So your point is that Bush was Left. Yet he was elected twice and then Obama followed with two terms... how is that fitting in with the narrative of the OP?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The left became extremely radicalized over the past 20 years. That’s why Republicans hold the White House, the House, the Senate, and 33 of the 50 states. Ole Dick Durbin here is a day late and a dollar short in his “warning”.

Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin (D., Ill.) said in a radio interview on Sunday that Democrats can lose to President Donald Trump in 2020 if they "overdo it" by becoming too liberal.

Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate 55 year old cross-dressing male sexual deviants showering with their 14 year old daughters. Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate socialism. Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate their constitutional rights being stripped from them. Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate fascism. The left became “too liberal” a long time ago.

Senate Minority Whip Cautions Dems About 'Overdoing It' by Being Too Liberal

Prior to Obama and his two term presidency, did the country go too far to the Right during the Bush years?

Too far right, in what way?

You mean by Bush's EPA forcing diesel fuel makers to create low sulfur diesel fuel for trucks that sprung diesel prices way past gasoline prices?

Too far right by creating one of the largest entitlements of it's time called Medicare Part D?

Too far right by the eventual elimination of incandescent light bulbs?

Too far right by buddying up with Ted Kennedy to create No Child Left Behind?

Too far right by signing the Great Lakes Legacy Act?

Too far right by legislating oil companies invest in renewable energy?

So your point is that Bush was Left. Yet he was elected twice and then Obama followed with two terms... how is that fitting in with the narrative of the OP?

My only point here is that when you use the word "Bush" with the phrase "too far right" it's laughable. I didn't say Bush was left, but he sure as hell wasn't a conservative or far right either.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Ray what is your issue with the great lakes legacy act? Cleaning up contaminated sediments caused from polluting I industry is bad I guess. Let's get back to the days the Ohio river was on fire.

I have no problem with it at all. I live by the lake. However pollution is more of a leftist issue than it is the right.

 

[Slade3200]

The left became extremely radicalized over the past 20 years. That’s why Republicans hold the White House, the House, the Senate, and 33 of the 50 states. Ole Dick Durbin here is a day late and a dollar short in his “warning”.

Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin (D., Ill.) said in a radio interview on Sunday that Democrats can lose to President Donald Trump in 2020 if they "overdo it" by becoming too liberal.

Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate 55 year old cross-dressing male sexual deviants showering with their 14 year old daughters. Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate socialism. Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate their constitutional rights being stripped from them. Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate fascism. The left became “too liberal” a long time ago.

Senate Minority Whip Cautions Dems About 'Overdoing It' by Being Too Liberal

Prior to Obama and his two term presidency, did the country go too far to the Right during the Bush years?

Too far right, in what way?

You mean by Bush's EPA forcing diesel fuel makers to create low sulfur diesel fuel for trucks that sprung diesel prices way past gasoline prices?

Too far right by creating one of the largest entitlements of it's time called Medicare Part D?

Too far right by the eventual elimination of incandescent light bulbs?

Too far right by buddying up with Ted Kennedy to create No Child Left Behind?

Too far right by signing the Great Lakes Legacy Act?

Too far right by legislating oil companies invest in renewable energy?

So your point is that Bush was Left. Yet he was elected twice and then Obama followed with two terms... how is that fitting in with the narrative of the OP?

My only point here is that when you use the word "Bush" with the phrase "too far right" it's laughable. I didn't say Bush was left, but he sure as hell wasn't a conservative or far right either.

Yeah, that’s kind of the point... if Obama followed two terms of a moderate republican then what does that say in relation tot he OPs narrative?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The left became extremely radicalized over the past 20 years. That’s why Republicans hold the White House, the House, the Senate, and 33 of the 50 states. Ole Dick Durbin here is a day late and a dollar short in his “warning”.
Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate 55 year old cross-dressing male sexual deviants showering with their 14 year old daughters. Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate socialism. Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate their constitutional rights being stripped from them. Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate fascism. The left became “too liberal” a long time ago.

Senate Minority Whip Cautions Dems About 'Overdoing It' by Being Too Liberal

Prior to Obama and his two term presidency, did the country go too far to the Right during the Bush years?

Too far right, in what way?

You mean by Bush's EPA forcing diesel fuel makers to create low sulfur diesel fuel for trucks that sprung diesel prices way past gasoline prices?

Too far right by creating one of the largest entitlements of it's time called Medicare Part D?

Too far right by the eventual elimination of incandescent light bulbs?

Too far right by buddying up with Ted Kennedy to create No Child Left Behind?

Too far right by signing the Great Lakes Legacy Act?

Too far right by legislating oil companies invest in renewable energy?

So your point is that Bush was Left. Yet he was elected twice and then Obama followed with two terms... how is that fitting in with the narrative of the OP?

My only point here is that when you use the word "Bush" with the phrase "too far right" it's laughable. I didn't say Bush was left, but he sure as hell wasn't a conservative or far right either.

Yeah, that’s kind of the point... if Obama followed two terms of a moderate republican then what does that say in relation tot he OPs narrative?

What it says is that people vote for their representatives like they voted for their favorite American Idol contender.

Bush was a household name. Working with the other side is what he was known for as Governor.

Like Clinton, Obama was a likable guy, but people resented his ideas and policies. That's how he won two terms while at the same time, losing the house, senate and most of the governorships across the country. Counting in local elections, Obama lost over a thousand representatives in all.

For a leftist, Hillary was right in line with Democrat policies and thinking, but nobody could stand the bitch. She was not her husband and she was not DumBama. Part of the reason why she was not elected is because of her personality.

 

[Slade3200]

Prior to Obama and his two term presidency, did the country go too far to the Right during the Bush years?

Too far right, in what way?

You mean by Bush's EPA forcing diesel fuel makers to create low sulfur diesel fuel for trucks that sprung diesel prices way past gasoline prices?

Too far right by creating one of the largest entitlements of it's time called Medicare Part D?

Too far right by the eventual elimination of incandescent light bulbs?

Too far right by buddying up with Ted Kennedy to create No Child Left Behind?

Too far right by signing the Great Lakes Legacy Act?

Too far right by legislating oil companies invest in renewable energy?

So your point is that Bush was Left. Yet he was elected twice and then Obama followed with two terms... how is that fitting in with the narrative of the OP?

My only point here is that when you use the word "Bush" with the phrase "too far right" it's laughable. I didn't say Bush was left, but he sure as hell wasn't a conservative or far right either.

Yeah, that’s kind of the point... if Obama followed two terms of a moderate republican then what does that say in relation tot he OPs narrative?

What it says is that people vote for their representatives like they voted for their favorite American Idol contender.

Bush was a household name. Working with the other side is what he was known for as Governor.

Like Clinton, Obama was a likable guy, but people resented his ideas and policies. That's how he won two terms while at the same time, losing the house, senate and most of the governorships across the country. Counting in local elections, Obama lost over a thousand representatives in all.

For a leftist, Hillary was right in line with Democrat policies and thinking, but nobody could stand the bitch. She was not her husband and she was not DumBama. Part of the reason why she was not elected is because of her personality.

Agreed... for the most part. I think it’s always been personality more than policy in presidential elections

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Too far right, in what way?

You mean by Bush's EPA forcing diesel fuel makers to create low sulfur diesel fuel for trucks that sprung diesel prices way past gasoline prices?

Too far right by creating one of the largest entitlements of it's time called Medicare Part D?

Too far right by the eventual elimination of incandescent light bulbs?

Too far right by buddying up with Ted Kennedy to create No Child Left Behind?

Too far right by signing the Great Lakes Legacy Act?

Too far right by legislating oil companies invest in renewable energy?

So your point is that Bush was Left. Yet he was elected twice and then Obama followed with two terms... how is that fitting in with the narrative of the OP?

My only point here is that when you use the word "Bush" with the phrase "too far right" it's laughable. I didn't say Bush was left, but he sure as hell wasn't a conservative or far right either.

Yeah, that’s kind of the point... if Obama followed two terms of a moderate republican then what does that say in relation tot he OPs narrative?

What it says is that people vote for their representatives like they voted for their favorite American Idol contender.

Bush was a household name. Working with the other side is what he was known for as Governor.

Like Clinton, Obama was a likable guy, but people resented his ideas and policies. That's how he won two terms while at the same time, losing the house, senate and most of the governorships across the country. Counting in local elections, Obama lost over a thousand representatives in all.

For a leftist, Hillary was right in line with Democrat policies and thinking, but nobody could stand the bitch. She was not her husband and she was not DumBama. Part of the reason why she was not elected is because of her personality.

Agreed... for the most part. I think it’s always been personality more than policy in presidential elections

That's why I always held the position that nobody should be allowed to vote that doesn't understand WTF they are voting on. We should have voters take a test before voting; nothing complicated at all, just questions like "who is in leadership of the US Congress?" "Who is in leadership of the US Senate?" "Who is the VP and what party do they represent?" Simple things like that.

If we had such a system, it would eliminate people like the Obama Phone lady from voting.

Howard Stern Interviews Obama Supporters 2012 | RealClearPolitics

Obama money - Bing video

 

[Marion Morrison]

The left became extremely radicalized over the past 20 years. That’s why Republicans hold the White House, the House, the Senate, and 33 of the 50 states. Ole Dick Durbin here is a day late and a dollar short in his “warning”.

Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin (D., Ill.) said in a radio interview on Sunday that Democrats can lose to President Donald Trump in 2020 if they "overdo it" by becoming too liberal.

Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate 55 year old cross-dressing male sexual deviants showering with their 14 year old daughters. Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate socialism. Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate their constitutional rights being stripped from them. Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate fascism. The left became “too liberal” a long time ago.

Senate Minority Whip Cautions Dems About 'Overdoing It' by Being Too Liberal

Prior to Obama and his two term presidency, did the country go too far to the Right during the Bush years?

Too far right, in what way?

You mean by Bush's EPA forcing diesel fuel makers to create low sulfur diesel fuel for trucks that sprung diesel prices way past gasoline prices?

Too far right by creating one of the largest entitlements of it's time called Medicare Part D?

Too far right by the eventual elimination of incandescent light bulbs?

Too far right by buddying up with Ted Kennedy to create No Child Left Behind?

Too far right by signing the Great Lakes Legacy Act?

Too far right by legislating oil companies invest in renewable energy?

Oh man! for 75 years+ Diesel was 1/2 the price of gas..until Bush.

Yeah, that one really chaps my ass. Diesel is a byproduct of making gasoline, but nobody ever told the newbs that.


Yeah, he was a globalist turd, and he is the reason why prices for everything have increased, yet what people make has not.

Thank you for reminding me of that.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The left became extremely radicalized over the past 20 years. That’s why Republicans hold the White House, the House, the Senate, and 33 of the 50 states. Ole Dick Durbin here is a day late and a dollar short in his “warning”.

Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin (D., Ill.) said in a radio interview on Sunday that Democrats can lose to President Donald Trump in 2020 if they "overdo it" by becoming too liberal.

Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate 55 year old cross-dressing male sexual deviants showering with their 14 year old daughters. Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate socialism. Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate their constitutional rights being stripped from them. Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate fascism. The left became “too liberal” a long time ago.

Senate Minority Whip Cautions Dems About 'Overdoing It' by Being Too Liberal

Prior to Obama and his two term presidency, did the country go too far to the Right during the Bush years?

Too far right, in what way?

You mean by Bush's EPA forcing diesel fuel makers to create low sulfur diesel fuel for trucks that sprung diesel prices way past gasoline prices?

Too far right by creating one of the largest entitlements of it's time called Medicare Part D?

Too far right by the eventual elimination of incandescent light bulbs?

Too far right by buddying up with Ted Kennedy to create No Child Left Behind?

Too far right by signing the Great Lakes Legacy Act?

Too far right by legislating oil companies invest in renewable energy?

Oh man! for 75 years+ Diesel was 1/2 the price of gas..until Bush.

Yeah, that one really chaps my ass. Diesel is a byproduct of making gasoline, but nobody ever told the newbs that.


Yeah, he was a globalist turd, and he is the reason why prices for everything have increased, yet what people make has not.

Thank you for reminding me of that.

Yeah, and ask any environmentalist today if they notice how much cleaner our air is.

 

[initforme]

Pollution is everyone's responsibility. The problem is that industry created these polluted sites....so in my mind they should be forced to pay for their cleanups. Unfortunately the taxpayers get stuck paying for the utter needless sins of those offenders. Shut them down if they won't complyt.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Pollution is everyone's responsibility. The problem is that industry created these polluted sites....so in my mind they should be forced to pay for their cleanups. Unfortunately the taxpayers get stuck paying for the utter needless sins of those offenders. Shut them down if they won't complyt.

What other country has pumped more money into pollution cleanup than the United States? Did you read the past few posts on what Marion Morrison and I were talking about? Do you know how many billions of dollars that little diesel fuel stunt cost the transportation industry? And who do you think pays that in the end?

Today trucks cost so much they are almost unaffordable. Besides the diesel fuel, they installed thousands and thousands of dollars of pollution crap into each truck. Now we have to buy this stuff called Diesel Emission Fluid, or DEF for short. It's a separate container that squirts DEF into the exhaust pipe supposedly to make the exhaust cleaner. If you run out of DEF by accident, it ruins the engine. If fact, it won't even start if you run it to totally empty.

Always remember Ray from Cleveland's rule about the environment: You can't make an environmentalist happy, it just isn't possible. How do I know, because we've been trying nearly my entire life. In spite of the trillions we've dumped into pollution, the environmentalists are less happy today than they were forty years ago. It's a bottomless money pit. Also ask yourself how many bureaucrats and politicians invested their money in companies that made DEF when the regulation started?

 

[Slade3200]

Pollution is everyone's responsibility. The problem is that industry created these polluted sites....so in my mind they should be forced to pay for their cleanups. Unfortunately the taxpayers get stuck paying for the utter needless sins of those offenders. Shut them down if they won't complyt.

What other country has pumped more money into pollution cleanup than the United States? Did you read the past few posts on what Marion Morrison and I were talking about? Do you know how many billions of dollars that little diesel fuel stunt cost the transportation industry? And who do you think pays that in the end?

Today trucks cost so much they are almost unaffordable. Besides the diesel fuel, they installed thousands and thousands of dollars of pollution crap into each truck. Now we have to buy this stuff called Diesel Emission Fluid, or DEF for short. It's a separate container that squirts DEF into the exhaust pipe supposedly to make the exhaust cleaner. If you run out of DEF by accident, it ruins the engine. If fact, it won't even start if you run it to totally empty.

Always remember Ray from Cleveland's rule about the environment: You can't make an environmentalist happy, it just isn't possible. How do I know, because we've been trying nearly my entire life. In spite of the trillions we've dumped into pollution, the environmentalists are less happy today than they were forty years ago. It's a bottomless money pit. Also ask yourself how many bureaucrats and politicians invested their money in companies that made DEF when the regulation started?

Where exactly did those trillions of dollars go?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Pollution is everyone's responsibility. The problem is that industry created these polluted sites....so in my mind they should be forced to pay for their cleanups. Unfortunately the taxpayers get stuck paying for the utter needless sins of those offenders. Shut them down if they won't complyt.

What other country has pumped more money into pollution cleanup than the United States? Did you read the past few posts on what Marion Morrison and I were talking about? Do you know how many billions of dollars that little diesel fuel stunt cost the transportation industry? And who do you think pays that in the end?

Today trucks cost so much they are almost unaffordable. Besides the diesel fuel, they installed thousands and thousands of dollars of pollution crap into each truck. Now we have to buy this stuff called Diesel Emission Fluid, or DEF for short. It's a separate container that squirts DEF into the exhaust pipe supposedly to make the exhaust cleaner. If you run out of DEF by accident, it ruins the engine. If fact, it won't even start if you run it to totally empty.

Always remember Ray from Cleveland's rule about the environment: You can't make an environmentalist happy, it just isn't possible. How do I know, because we've been trying nearly my entire life. In spite of the trillions we've dumped into pollution, the environmentalists are less happy today than they were forty years ago. It's a bottomless money pit. Also ask yourself how many bureaucrats and politicians invested their money in companies that made DEF when the regulation started?

Where exactly did those trillions of dollars go?

That's the question. Where did they go?

Every single item you purchase today has an environmental cost. It's intrinsic and not itemized, but it's there.

My employer (like all involved in the transportation industry) had to pass those environmental costs to us--the consumers.

Every peach you buy at the grocery store, every nail you buy at your hardware store, every computer, television set, cable box, mattress covers all have an intrinsic environmental cost to it. It doesn't matter if you buy your products at Sam's Club, Target, Amazon, Walmart--every single item.

So next time you go to the bathroom and pull off some toilet paper, you are paying for environmental costs.

Larger ticket times are much worse. Gasoline today would be 80 cents a gallon without all the environmental costs. Your $25,000 car would have cost you $18,000 without all the environmental costs associated with that vehicle. Lawnmowers, snowblowers, weed whackers, all the same thing. I won't even get into ethanol which are ruining engines by the millions in this country.

In our area, they forced us into E-check. It's been here well more than a decade. The annual cost to us is over 24 million dollars.

 

[Slade3200]

Pollution is everyone's responsibility. The problem is that industry created these polluted sites....so in my mind they should be forced to pay for their cleanups. Unfortunately the taxpayers get stuck paying for the utter needless sins of those offenders. Shut them down if they won't complyt.

What other country has pumped more money into pollution cleanup than the United States? Did you read the past few posts on what Marion Morrison and I were talking about? Do you know how many billions of dollars that little diesel fuel stunt cost the transportation industry? And who do you think pays that in the end?

Today trucks cost so much they are almost unaffordable. Besides the diesel fuel, they installed thousands and thousands of dollars of pollution crap into each truck. Now we have to buy this stuff called Diesel Emission Fluid, or DEF for short. It's a separate container that squirts DEF into the exhaust pipe supposedly to make the exhaust cleaner. If you run out of DEF by accident, it ruins the engine. If fact, it won't even start if you run it to totally empty.

Always remember Ray from Cleveland's rule about the environment: You can't make an environmentalist happy, it just isn't possible. How do I know, because we've been trying nearly my entire life. In spite of the trillions we've dumped into pollution, the environmentalists are less happy today than they were forty years ago. It's a bottomless money pit. Also ask yourself how many bureaucrats and politicians invested their money in companies that made DEF when the regulation started?

Where exactly did those trillions of dollars go?

That's the question. Where did they go?

Every single item you purchase today has an environmental cost. It's intrinsic and not itemized, but it's there.

My employer (like all involved in the transportation industry) had to pass those environmental costs to us--the consumers.

Every peach you buy at the grocery store, every nail you buy at your hardware store, every computer, television set, cable box, mattress covers all have an intrinsic environmental cost to it. It doesn't matter if you buy your products at Sam's Club, Target, Amazon, Walmart--every single item.

So next time you go to the bathroom and pull off some toilet paper, you are paying for environmental costs.

Larger ticket times are much worse. Gasoline today would be 80 cents a gallon without all the environmental costs. Your $25,000 car would have cost you $18,000 without all the environmental costs associated with that vehicle. Lawnmowers, snowblowers, weed whackers, all the same thing. I won't even get into ethanol which are ruining engines by the millions in this country.

In our area, they forced us into E-check. It's been here well more than a decade. The annual cost to us is over 24 million dollars.

I was asking where the money went not how revenues were raised. So wethe consumers are paying more for goods and trillions get raised and spent for environmental efforts. Where do those trillions of dollars go?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Pollution is everyone's responsibility. The problem is that industry created these polluted sites....so in my mind they should be forced to pay for their cleanups. Unfortunately the taxpayers get stuck paying for the utter needless sins of those offenders. Shut them down if they won't complyt.

What other country has pumped more money into pollution cleanup than the United States? Did you read the past few posts on what Marion Morrison and I were talking about? Do you know how many billions of dollars that little diesel fuel stunt cost the transportation industry? And who do you think pays that in the end?

Today trucks cost so much they are almost unaffordable. Besides the diesel fuel, they installed thousands and thousands of dollars of pollution crap into each truck. Now we have to buy this stuff called Diesel Emission Fluid, or DEF for short. It's a separate container that squirts DEF into the exhaust pipe supposedly to make the exhaust cleaner. If you run out of DEF by accident, it ruins the engine. If fact, it won't even start if you run it to totally empty.

Always remember Ray from Cleveland's rule about the environment: You can't make an environmentalist happy, it just isn't possible. How do I know, because we've been trying nearly my entire life. In spite of the trillions we've dumped into pollution, the environmentalists are less happy today than they were forty years ago. It's a bottomless money pit. Also ask yourself how many bureaucrats and politicians invested their money in companies that made DEF when the regulation started?

Where exactly did those trillions of dollars go?

That's the question. Where did they go?

Every single item you purchase today has an environmental cost. It's intrinsic and not itemized, but it's there.

My employer (like all involved in the transportation industry) had to pass those environmental costs to us--the consumers.

Every peach you buy at the grocery store, every nail you buy at your hardware store, every computer, television set, cable box, mattress covers all have an intrinsic environmental cost to it. It doesn't matter if you buy your products at Sam's Club, Target, Amazon, Walmart--every single item.

So next time you go to the bathroom and pull off some toilet paper, you are paying for environmental costs.

Larger ticket times are much worse. Gasoline today would be 80 cents a gallon without all the environmental costs. Your $25,000 car would have cost you $18,000 without all the environmental costs associated with that vehicle. Lawnmowers, snowblowers, weed whackers, all the same thing. I won't even get into ethanol which are ruining engines by the millions in this country.

In our area, they forced us into E-check. It's been here well more than a decade. The annual cost to us is over 24 million dollars.

I was asking where the money went not how revenues were raised. So wethe consumers are paying more for goods and trillions get raised and spent for environmental efforts. Where do those trillions of dollars go?

Just like with our company, to pay for environmental regulations on products and services. Our money went to the increased costs of equipment. Our money went to maintain these vehicles that break down all the time; usually because some pollution gadget went haywire. Our money goes to supply our vehicles with the mandated DEF fluid.

The money went from our pockets to the producers of these products and goods because they passed the environmental costs to us.

 

[Slade3200]

Pollution is everyone's responsibility. The problem is that industry created these polluted sites....so in my mind they should be forced to pay for their cleanups. Unfortunately the taxpayers get stuck paying for the utter needless sins of those offenders. Shut them down if they won't complyt.

What other country has pumped more money into pollution cleanup than the United States? Did you read the past few posts on what Marion Morrison and I were talking about? Do you know how many billions of dollars that little diesel fuel stunt cost the transportation industry? And who do you think pays that in the end?

Today trucks cost so much they are almost unaffordable. Besides the diesel fuel, they installed thousands and thousands of dollars of pollution crap into each truck. Now we have to buy this stuff called Diesel Emission Fluid, or DEF for short. It's a separate container that squirts DEF into the exhaust pipe supposedly to make the exhaust cleaner. If you run out of DEF by accident, it ruins the engine. If fact, it won't even start if you run it to totally empty.

Always remember Ray from Cleveland's rule about the environment: You can't make an environmentalist happy, it just isn't possible. How do I know, because we've been trying nearly my entire life. In spite of the trillions we've dumped into pollution, the environmentalists are less happy today than they were forty years ago. It's a bottomless money pit. Also ask yourself how many bureaucrats and politicians invested their money in companies that made DEF when the regulation started?

Where exactly did those trillions of dollars go?

That's the question. Where did they go?

Every single item you purchase today has an environmental cost. It's intrinsic and not itemized, but it's there.

My employer (like all involved in the transportation industry) had to pass those environmental costs to us--the consumers.

Every peach you buy at the grocery store, every nail you buy at your hardware store, every computer, television set, cable box, mattress covers all have an intrinsic environmental cost to it. It doesn't matter if you buy your products at Sam's Club, Target, Amazon, Walmart--every single item.

So next time you go to the bathroom and pull off some toilet paper, you are paying for environmental costs.

Larger ticket times are much worse. Gasoline today would be 80 cents a gallon without all the environmental costs. Your $25,000 car would have cost you $18,000 without all the environmental costs associated with that vehicle. Lawnmowers, snowblowers, weed whackers, all the same thing. I won't even get into ethanol which are ruining engines by the millions in this country.

In our area, they forced us into E-check. It's been here well more than a decade. The annual cost to us is over 24 million dollars.

I was asking where the money went not how revenues were raised. So wethe consumers are paying more for goods and trillions get raised and spent for environmental efforts. Where do those trillions of dollars go?

Just like with our company, to pay for environmental regulations on products and services. Our money went to the increased costs of equipment. Our money went to maintain these vehicles that break down all the time; usually because some pollution gadget went haywire. Our money goes to supply our vehicles with the mandated DEF fluid.

The money went from our pockets to the producers of these products and goods because they passed the environmental costs to us.

You think that trillions of dollars went to companies that produce environmentally friendly goods? That’s alot of money which companies are we talking about? I’d love to dig into their financials.

 

[P@triot]

I have to disagree with that. JFK may have been a violent sexual pervert,(probably inherent) but he did his best to thumb the establishment in the eye for the good of the American people. Do you know why Kennedy was killed?

Yes. Because he was an asshole.

 

[busybee01]

The left became extremely radicalized over the past 20 years. That’s why Republicans hold the White House, the House, the Senate, and 33 of the 50 states. Ole Dick Durbin here is a day late and a dollar short in his “warning”.

Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin (D., Ill.) said in a radio interview on Sunday that Democrats can lose to President Donald Trump in 2020 if they "overdo it" by becoming too liberal.

Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate 55 year old cross-dressing male sexual deviants showering with their 14 year old daughters. Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate socialism. Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate their constitutional rights being stripped from them. Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate fascism. The left became “too liberal” a long time ago.

Senate Minority Whip Cautions Dems About 'Overdoing It' by Being Too Liberal

The fact is that Republicans under Trump are going down the same road except to the extreme right. It is very likely that the Republicans will lose the House and their gains in the Senate could be non-existent. Voters gave Republicans the House and Senate to counter Obama. The same thing could happen to provide a check on Republicans. Also the Republicans may have peaked as far as governorships go. They are likely to lose a number of seats in 2018.

Voters want Obamacare fixed not replaced. They support DACA. They do not support a wall. They do not support Trump's attacks on the Constitution. Reasonable people do not support Republican fascism either.

 

[busybee01]

The left became extremely radicalized over the past 20 years. That’s why Republicans hold the White House, the House, the Senate, and 33 of the 50 states. Ole Dick Durbin here is a day late and a dollar short in his “warning”.

Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin (D., Ill.) said in a radio interview on Sunday that Democrats can lose to President Donald Trump in 2020 if they "overdo it" by becoming too liberal.

Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate 55 year old cross-dressing male sexual deviants showering with their 14 year old daughters. Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate socialism. Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate their constitutional rights being stripped from them. Reasonable, rational people do not tolerate fascism. The left became “too liberal” a long time ago.

Senate Minority Whip Cautions Dems About 'Overdoing It' by Being Too Liberal

They are all in on their divide and conquer theme.

And it's working, the left is so divided among itself it's seeing kkk, Nazis, etc, everywhere they look.

the middle knows just how evil and intolerant the left has become. But they have been going down the hate trail for so long, there's no turning back.

The middle is deserting Republicans. trump and Republicans are underwater among independents. Voters see Trump as the divider. Independents do not support Republicans on Obamacare, DACA and immigration to name a few issues.