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And none of it has happened. Congrats your high priests are batting .000Oh, you "Poor clueless retard....are you able to" pull your head out of "your own ass or do you need help with that too?"No problem little silly person. Here are just a few for your enlightenment and my entertainement(sic).
Although it shouldn't take me by surprise anymore after all the times I've interacted with you on this forum, it does still startle me sometimes to realize just how extremely clueless and retarded you actually are, walleyed. I sort of assumed, I guess, that everyone who has anything to say about this would have some idea of what the phrase "tipping point" means in the field of climate change but, as usual, you're clueless about the actual meaning and apparently have some screwed-up half-witted and very mistaken idea of what it means. Hint: it's not some Green politician in Canada talking about the urgency of taking action. I was pointing out earlier that the calls for urgent action to curb carbon emissions and slow global warming were quite valid, in part because of the very real possibility that rising temperatures could trigger "tipping points/feedback loops that could potentially cause uncontrollable run-away global warming, possibly, for example, through the release of the methane under the permafrost or from the undersea methane clathrates." You came back with a garbled, rather incoherent and very delusional claim that "there have been many others [tipping points] extending far back into the dark ages of AGW "theory". That didn't make much sense but I invited you to list these supposed "many other" tipping points that you seemed to feel had already been passed. LOLOLOLOL. It's obvious now that you had no idea what the term means. So you come back with, first, an article about how "Scientists 'expect climate tipping point' by 2200". ROTFLMAO...."2200"....just exactly what I was saying about the possibility of future tipping points.....how did you think that a tipping point in 2200 is happening "far back into the dark ages of AGW"??? All the rest of your articles are just various politician and public figures warning that the world has only a limited time to act to reduce carbon emissions before potentially irreversible changes take place. Those warnings are quite true and, indeed, we may have already passed a tipping point without realizing it. You seem to be confusing the warnings about probable looming tipping points as if the warning were the tipping points. You silly retard.
The Wiki article below is OK for starters but for a more detailed look at tipping points, this is a good analysis:
Climate Tipping Points: Current Perspectives and State of Knowledge
Tipping point (climatology)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A climate tipping point is a somewhat ill-defined concept of a point when global climate changes from one stable state to another stable state, in a similar manner to a wine glass tipping over. After the tipping point has been passed, a transition to a new state occurs. The tipping event may be irreversible, comparable to wine spilling from the glass: standing up the glass will not put the wine back.
Global warming proceeds by changing the composition of gases in the Earth's atmosphere by the emission of greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide and methane. As warming proceeds it brings about changes to the natural environment which may result in other changes. For example, warming may begin to melt the Greenland ice sheet and/or West Antarctic Ice Sheet. At some level of temperature rise, the melt of the entire ice sheet will become inevitable, even though complete melting may not occur for millennia. Thus a tipping point may be passed without any immediately obvious consequences, nor any acceleration of the warming process. Carbon dioxide as of May 2012 makes up 396.18 ppm of Earth's atmosphere[1] and monitoring stations in the Arctic spring 2012 measuring more than 400 ppm of the heat-trapping gas in the atmosphere.[2] James E. Hansen said that this tipping point had already been reached in April 2008 when the CO2 level was 385 ppm. (Hansen states 350 ppm as the upper limit.) "Further global warming of 1°C defines a critical threshold. Beyond that we will likely see changes that make Earth a different planet than the one we know."[3] He has further suggested potential projections of runaway climate change on Earth creating more Venus-like conditions in his book Storms of My Grandchildren.
Scientists and other specialists continue to express concern about global warming and irreversible tipping points. They have used metaphors such as "the door is closing" and warned of global food and water shortages, hundreds of millions of people being displaced by rising sea levels, and storms becoming ever more frequent and severe worldwide.[4] Others have tried systematically to short-list large scale components of the Earth system that may be subject to tipping points, defining tipping points as a variety of phenomena, including the onset of positive feedback, hysteresis effects, and the possible effect of statistical noise at critical points.[5]
Examples
Lenton et al. highlights a number of tipping points, including:[5]
* Boreal forest dieback
* Amazon rainforest dieback
* Loss of Arctic and Antarctic sea ice (Polar ice packs) and melting of Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets
* Disruption to Indian and West African monsoon
* Formation of Atlantic deep water near the Arctic ocean, which is a component process of the thermohaline circulation.
* Loss of permafrost, leading to potential Arctic methane release[6] and clathrate gun effect
And none of it has happened. Congrats your high priests are batting .000Oh, you "Poor clueless retard....are you able to" pull your head out of "your own ass or do you need help with that too?"
Although it shouldn't take me by surprise anymore after all the times I've interacted with you on this forum, it does still startle me sometimes to realize just how extremely clueless and retarded you actually are, walleyed. I sort of assumed, I guess, that everyone who has anything to say about this would have some idea of what the phrase "tipping point" means in the field of climate change but, as usual, you're clueless about the actual meaning and apparently have some screwed-up half-witted and very mistaken idea of what it means. Hint: it's not some Green politician in Canada talking about the urgency of taking action. I was pointing out earlier that the calls for urgent action to curb carbon emissions and slow global warming were quite valid, in part because of the very real possibility that rising temperatures could trigger "tipping points/feedback loops that could potentially cause uncontrollable run-away global warming, possibly, for example, through the release of the methane under the permafrost or from the undersea methane clathrates." You came back with a garbled, rather incoherent and very delusional claim that "there have been many others [tipping points] extending far back into the dark ages of AGW "theory". That didn't make much sense but I invited you to list these supposed "many other" tipping points that you seemed to feel had already been passed. LOLOLOLOL. It's obvious now that you had no idea what the term means. So you come back with, first, an article about how "Scientists 'expect climate tipping point' by 2200". ROTFLMAO...."2200"....just exactly what I was saying about the possibility of future tipping points.....how did you think that a tipping point in 2200 is happening "far back into the dark ages of AGW"??? All the rest of your articles are just various politician and public figures warning that the world has only a limited time to act to reduce carbon emissions before potentially irreversible changes take place. Those warnings are quite true and, indeed, we may have already passed a tipping point without realizing it. You seem to be confusing the warnings about probable looming tipping points as if the warning were the tipping points. You silly retard.
The Wiki article below is OK for starters but for a more detailed look at tipping points, this is a good analysis:
Climate Tipping Points: Current Perspectives and State of Knowledge
Tipping point (climatology)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A climate tipping point is a somewhat ill-defined concept of a point when global climate changes from one stable state to another stable state, in a similar manner to a wine glass tipping over. After the tipping point has been passed, a transition to a new state occurs. The tipping event may be irreversible, comparable to wine spilling from the glass: standing up the glass will not put the wine back.
Global warming proceeds by changing the composition of gases in the Earth's atmosphere by the emission of greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide and methane. As warming proceeds it brings about changes to the natural environment which may result in other changes. For example, warming may begin to melt the Greenland ice sheet and/or West Antarctic Ice Sheet. At some level of temperature rise, the melt of the entire ice sheet will become inevitable, even though complete melting may not occur for millennia. Thus a tipping point may be passed without any immediately obvious consequences, nor any acceleration of the warming process. Carbon dioxide as of May 2012 makes up 396.18 ppm of Earth's atmosphere[1] and monitoring stations in the Arctic spring 2012 measuring more than 400 ppm of the heat-trapping gas in the atmosphere.[2] James E. Hansen said that this tipping point had already been reached in April 2008 when the CO2 level was 385 ppm. (Hansen states 350 ppm as the upper limit.) "Further global warming of 1°C defines a critical threshold. Beyond that we will likely see changes that make Earth a different planet than the one we know."[3] He has further suggested potential projections of runaway climate change on Earth creating more Venus-like conditions in his book Storms of My Grandchildren.
Scientists and other specialists continue to express concern about global warming and irreversible tipping points. They have used metaphors such as "the door is closing" and warned of global food and water shortages, hundreds of millions of people being displaced by rising sea levels, and storms becoming ever more frequent and severe worldwide.[4] Others have tried systematically to short-list large scale components of the Earth system that may be subject to tipping points, defining tipping points as a variety of phenomena, including the onset of positive feedback, hysteresis effects, and the possible effect of statistical noise at critical points.[5]
Examples
Lenton et al. highlights a number of tipping points, including:[5]
* Boreal forest dieback
* Amazon rainforest dieback
* Loss of Arctic and Antarctic sea ice (Polar ice packs) and melting of Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets
* Disruption to Indian and West African monsoon
* Formation of Atlantic deep water near the Arctic ocean, which is a component process of the thermohaline circulation.
* Loss of permafrost, leading to potential Arctic methane release[6] and clathrate gun effect
LOLOLOLOLOL.....my gawd, you're sooooo retarded you think warnings about probable future tipping points aren't real if none of them have happened yet. LOLOLOLOL,
Actually the accelerating loss of Arctic sea ice is a tipping point that has either passed or we're passing now. Also the release of methane from under the permafrost and from undersea methane clathrates has already begun so those feedback loops may already be happening.
And none of it has happened. Congrats your high priests are batting .000Oh, you "Poor clueless retard....are you able to" pull your head out of "your own ass or do you need help with that too?"
Although it shouldn't take me by surprise anymore after all the times I've interacted with you on this forum, it does still startle me sometimes to realize just how extremely clueless and retarded you actually are, walleyed. I sort of assumed, I guess, that everyone who has anything to say about this would have some idea of what the phrase "tipping point" means in the field of climate change but, as usual, you're clueless about the actual meaning and apparently have some screwed-up half-witted and very mistaken idea of what it means. Hint: it's not some Green politician in Canada talking about the urgency of taking action. I was pointing out earlier that the calls for urgent action to curb carbon emissions and slow global warming were quite valid, in part because of the very real possibility that rising temperatures could trigger "tipping points/feedback loops that could potentially cause uncontrollable run-away global warming, possibly, for example, through the release of the methane under the permafrost or from the undersea methane clathrates." You came back with a garbled, rather incoherent and very delusional claim that "there have been many others [tipping points] extending far back into the dark ages of AGW "theory". That didn't make much sense but I invited you to list these supposed "many other" tipping points that you seemed to feel had already been passed. LOLOLOLOL. It's obvious now that you had no idea what the term means. So you come back with, first, an article about how "Scientists 'expect climate tipping point' by 2200". ROTFLMAO...."2200"....just exactly what I was saying about the possibility of future tipping points.....how did you think that a tipping point in 2200 is happening "far back into the dark ages of AGW"??? All the rest of your articles are just various politician and public figures warning that the world has only a limited time to act to reduce carbon emissions before potentially irreversible changes take place. Those warnings are quite true and, indeed, we may have already passed a tipping point without realizing it. You seem to be confusing the warnings about probable looming tipping points as if the warning were the tipping points. You silly retard.
The Wiki article below is OK for starters but for a more detailed look at tipping points, this is a good analysis:
Climate Tipping Points: Current Perspectives and State of Knowledge
Tipping point (climatology)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A climate tipping point is a somewhat ill-defined concept of a point when global climate changes from one stable state to another stable state, in a similar manner to a wine glass tipping over. After the tipping point has been passed, a transition to a new state occurs. The tipping event may be irreversible, comparable to wine spilling from the glass: standing up the glass will not put the wine back.
Global warming proceeds by changing the composition of gases in the Earth's atmosphere by the emission of greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide and methane. As warming proceeds it brings about changes to the natural environment which may result in other changes. For example, warming may begin to melt the Greenland ice sheet and/or West Antarctic Ice Sheet. At some level of temperature rise, the melt of the entire ice sheet will become inevitable, even though complete melting may not occur for millennia. Thus a tipping point may be passed without any immediately obvious consequences, nor any acceleration of the warming process. Carbon dioxide as of May 2012 makes up 396.18 ppm of Earth's atmosphere[1] and monitoring stations in the Arctic spring 2012 measuring more than 400 ppm of the heat-trapping gas in the atmosphere.[2] James E. Hansen said that this tipping point had already been reached in April 2008 when the CO2 level was 385 ppm. (Hansen states 350 ppm as the upper limit.) "Further global warming of 1°C defines a critical threshold. Beyond that we will likely see changes that make Earth a different planet than the one we know."[3] He has further suggested potential projections of runaway climate change on Earth creating more Venus-like conditions in his book Storms of My Grandchildren.
Scientists and other specialists continue to express concern about global warming and irreversible tipping points. They have used metaphors such as "the door is closing" and warned of global food and water shortages, hundreds of millions of people being displaced by rising sea levels, and storms becoming ever more frequent and severe worldwide.[4] Others have tried systematically to short-list large scale components of the Earth system that may be subject to tipping points, defining tipping points as a variety of phenomena, including the onset of positive feedback, hysteresis effects, and the possible effect of statistical noise at critical points.[5]
Examples
Lenton et al. highlights a number of tipping points, including:[5]
* Boreal forest dieback
* Amazon rainforest dieback
* Loss of Arctic and Antarctic sea ice (Polar ice packs) and melting of Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets
* Disruption to Indian and West African monsoon
* Formation of Atlantic deep water near the Arctic ocean, which is a component process of the thermohaline circulation.
* Loss of permafrost, leading to potential Arctic methane release[6] and clathrate gun effect
LOLOLOLOLOL.....my gawd, you're sooooo retarded you think warnings about probable future tipping points aren't real if none of them have happened yet. LOLOLOLOL,
Actually the accelerating loss of Arctic sea ice is a tipping point that has either passed or we're passing now. Also the release of methane from under the permafrost and from undersea methane clathrates has already begun so those feedback loops may already be happening.
And none of it has happened. Congrats your high priests are batting .000
LOLOLOLOLOL.....my gawd, you're sooooo retarded you think warnings about probable future tipping points aren't real if none of them have happened yet. LOLOLOLOL,
Actually the accelerating loss of Arctic sea ice is a tipping point that has either passed or we're passing now. Also the release of methane from under the permafrost and from undersea methane clathrates has already begun so those feedback loops may already be happening.
the globe did not pass any tipping points during the any of the warm periods during this interglacial. why do you think this one is different?
methane is yet another failure of climate models. they have consistently over predicted the amount of methane by close to an order of magnitude compared to reality.
why do you keep listening to the unsubstantiated conclusions of doom? you only acknowledge the scenarios that focus on CO2 in an uncompensated system whereas the earth is full of mechanisms that promote homeostasis.
The only clueless ones are all of you.
I'm pretty sure you're still waiting for your brain to be discovered. Perhaps it's under your mattress.Cant wait for human civilization to be discovered under the polar ice sheets
No, that's just your total ignorance of science talking. And your stupidity."The last time carbon dioxide levels were apparently as high as they are today and were sustained at those levels global temperatures were 5 to 10 degrees Fahrenheit higher than they are today, the sea level was approximately 75 to 120 feet higher than today, there was no permanent sea ice cap in the Arctic and very little ice on Antarctica and Greenland,"
So why aren't the temps as high now as back then?
Because humans have added CO2 to the atmosphere so fast that it will take time for the temperatures to catch up. The process is not instantaneous. If current CO2 levels "were sustained at those levels" for a century or two, world average temperatures would be that high and sea levels would be vastly increased.
So there's a direct correlation between CO2 and heat until it isn't?
LOL. You don't know any history, let alone any climate science, you retarded denier cult troll.Where in history has it ever taken that long for temperatures to "catch up?"
No, that's just your total ignorance of science talking. And your stupidity.Because humans have added CO2 to the atmosphere so fast that it will take time for the temperatures to catch up. The process is not instantaneous. If current CO2 levels "were sustained at those levels" for a century or two, world average temperatures would be that high and sea levels would be vastly increased.
So there's a direct correlation between CO2 and heat until it isn't?
"The process is not instantaneous."
LOL. You don't know any history, let alone any climate science, you retarded denier cult troll.Where in history has it ever taken that long for temperatures to "catch up?"
The only clueless ones are all of you.
You didn't answer my simple question. Did you think I wouldn't notice? Piss and moan all you want, but that deflection won't work. I'm still going to keep coming back to the question.
You've been waving your hands around wildly about how natural cycles are causing the warming, but you never give any specifics. Not going to cut it, given that you're only doing religious chants there, not science.
What is the specific natural cycle currently driving the warming, what evidence do you have that it is the cause, and what is the cause of that natural cycle?
Use your own words, not your link-bomb retreat/diversion tactic. And don't use your usual "correlation is causation" thing either. Just buck up, locate your balls and directly answer the simple question. If you can't, everyone will understand why, that reason being that you couldn't locate your balls.
Nobody knows. That's the point.What is the specific natural cycle currently driving the warming, what evidence do you have that it is the cause, and what is the cause of that natural cycle?
Use your own words
Nobody knows. That's the point.What is the specific natural cycle currently driving the warming, what evidence do you have that it is the cause, and what is the cause of that natural cycle?
Use your own words
ROTFLMAO..........LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL...stop it, walleyed.....you're killing me.....I'm really afraid that I'm going to laugh myself to death......
By all means please do so...do the Earth a favor...Nobody knows. That's the point.What is the specific natural cycle currently driving the warming, what evidence do you have that it is the cause, and what is the cause of that natural cycle?
Use your own words
ROTFLMAO..........LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL...stop it, walleyed.....you're killing me.....I'm really afraid that I'm going to laugh myself to death......
By all means please do so...do the Earth a favor...ROTFLMAO..........LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL...stop it, walleyed.....you're killing me.....I'm really afraid that I'm going to laugh myself to death......
You don't even realize how retarded your last post was.......that's hilarious......and, BTW, rather obviously it is your loss that would improve the gene pool.....you poor, poor delusional imbecile......LOLOLOL
Sure thing doood. Anyone who's primary response to discussion is insult, is either a loon or a 12 year old. Thanks for playing!
No, that's just your total ignorance of science talking. And your stupidity.Because humans have added CO2 to the atmosphere so fast that it will take time for the temperatures to catch up. The process is not instantaneous. If current CO2 levels "were sustained at those levels" for a century or two, world average temperatures would be that high and sea levels would be vastly increased.
So there's a direct correlation between CO2 and heat until it isn't?
"The process is not instantaneous."
LOL. You don't know any history, let alone any climate science, you retarded denier cult troll.Where in history has it ever taken that long for temperatures to "catch up?"
The only clueless ones are all of you.
You didn't answer my simple question. Did you think I wouldn't notice? Piss and moan all you want, but that deflection won't work. I'm still going to keep coming back to the question.
You've been waving your hands around wildly about how natural cycles are causing the warming, but you never give any specifics. Not going to cut it, given that you're only doing religious chants there, not science.
What is the specific natural cycle currently driving the warming, what evidence do you have that it is the cause, and what is the cause of that natural cycle?
Use your own words, not your link-bomb retreat/diversion tactic. And don't use your usual "correlation is causation" thing either. Just buck up, locate your balls and directly answer the simple question. If you can't, everyone will understand why, that reason being that you couldn't locate your balls.
No, that's just your total ignorance of science talking. And your stupidity.So there's a direct correlation between CO2 and heat until it isn't?
"The process is not instantaneous."
LOL. You don't know any history, let alone any climate science, you retarded denier cult troll.Where in history has it ever taken that long for temperatures to "catch up?"
So it appears you don't know of any time in history where massive rises in CO2 predated massive rises in temperature by hundreds of years either.
Ok.
"Note that the 10 warmest years in the record all occurred since 1998."Yes, the grand old man has finally been forced to admit that the last ten years have been flat, global tempwise, further he also admits that 2012 was the NINTH warmest on record.
Must suck to be a braindead propagandist like oltrakrtrollingblunderfraud and have the leader of the cult come out and say it's all been a lie.
But, being the nice little useful idiots they are, they'll figure out a way to rationalise it all away.
Summary. Global surface temperature in 2012 was +0.56°C (1°F) warmer than the 1951-1980 base period average, despite much of the year being affected by a strong La Nina. Global temperature thus continues at a high level that is sufficient to cause a substantial increase in the frequency of extreme warm anomalies. The 5-year mean global temperature has been flat for a decade, which we interpret as a combination of natural variability and a slowdown in the growth rate of the net climate forcing.
An update through 2012 of our global analysis1 (Fig. 1) reveals 2012 as having practically the same temperature as 2011, significantly lower than the maximum reached in 2010. These short-term global fluctuations are associated principally with natural oscillations of tropical Pacific sea surface temperatures summarized in the Nino index in the lower part of the figure. 2012 is nominally the 9th warmest year, but it is indistinguishable in rank with several other years, as shown by the error estimate.
So much for the claims of 2012 being the HOTTEST YEAR EVAH! Fools.
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2013/20130115_Temperature2012.pdf
What's your rationalization for this claim?
How would you define "climate forcing?"
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2013/20130115_Temperature2012.pdf
